AJ-Wilder had 4 years to agree to an Undisputed showdown. It took Fury-Usyk just 14 months to sort it out.

What a legend the Gypsy King is! - went to Germany and dethroned a mythical fighter in his own backyard - went to America and restored British honour while AJ/Hearns were in hiding If he reclaims his belts from Usyk that were kidnapped by Charles Martin and Joseph Parker etc., then he has to be Top 5 ATG. - Muhammad Ali - Lennox Lewis - Larry Holmes - Tyson Fury - ??? * midgets like Joe Louis don't count as Heavyweights ** Rocky Marciano doesn't count due to clear match-fixing - - MonkeyMinions like U and U poster boys have never counted. Blubber the worst disgrace in boxing history never defended his drug cheating unified, stripped of every belt he owned. Got knocked down, whooped, and humiliated by a debutante in his last fight. He’ll duck Usyk soon enough..,

Fury is a proper clown but Hill will have him ready for the Ukraine dosser. Whatever he does in terms of bobbing and weaving, and angles, his trunk is easy to hit and Fury can pick him off at a distance his a massive reach advantage. You don't have to box with him and attack his shoulders - waist all night, similar to football logic. Fury is a bozo but he takes his medicine when he looks like trash in fights, Ngannou and Wallin. The only negative is his coke and PEDs vs Vlad and not rematching him but that fraud Ukrainian has BS'ed his way out of 3 10 counts. Guy should have 2-3 defeats on his record.

Cheers for the reply. I dislike Fury for his lies and ducking and taking soft touches and drug cheating and all the rest, but the shame of his career is that he actually may be quite good. We just don't know it because he won't run the gauntlet of top guys an- d fights too infrequently. Could he look good against Zhiang, Hrgovic, AJ etc - possibly. I do doubt it - I believe Dubois and a few others would clean his clock. He's a clever and sly man, and has made the most of what I believe is mediocre talent by not doing very much since that night in Germany. Tyson Fury, and most of the Fury's especially Peter Fury 'All seem to be very good at reading a fight'. This something I personally don't think fighters like Joshua, Wilder are very good at to the level of Fury innately. Instead their teams are task with the objective of being astute in his area'. Fury will deep down knows which fighters stylistically are difficult for him 'There is a reason why he chose to fight Wilder over Joshua, all those years ago'. I think it was Shane Mcguigan who's reaction to Fury's Ngannou loss was most interesting 'He stated that Fury if you check his recent fights, seems to always stay clear of physically strong, fundamentally sound fighters. Because that is the type of fighter who will not be bamboozled by his faints or tricks, they will essentially just keep things fundamental, and it will be up to Fury to force them out of this action'. Most of the fights Fury has been fighting in since Kiltschko? Have all been fights which stylistically really were tailor made for him 'Even still Fury made those fights way more difficult than they should of been for himself in my opinion. Wilder apart from his power, should really be a easy fight for Fury 'Fury out weighed him on average by 40 pounds, Fury has a by far higher skill level technically and he was physically stronger. Still that trilogy was not easy for Fury, and potentially the damage he sustained in those fights may have had a carry over effect on his career. Whether this be from a physical perspective, or just in terms of his attitude'. Chisora and Whyte, Fury was doing nothing vs Whyte until the knock out 'Up until that point it was a extremely underwhelming fight. And it was when Fury fought Chisora III, I found it to be very concerning the way Fury refused to fight a semi-retired Chisora head even after declaring that he would. Regardless those fighters stylistically were tailor made for Fury, people that understand the dynamics of boxing are aware of this 'Chisora most likely would of survived the full 12 rounds, without the referee manufacturing a stoppage'. Yes, Fury has also been able to influence the narrative and culture in boxing during his reign 'This is a ability he has which is unique, it is just apart of his character. There are similar athletes in other sports with this ability, but it is rare'. It is only really now? Have all those narratives that Fury and his hardcore fans created are being questioned. Note: For sure Fury has two mega wins on his resume in terms of historical magnitude, and he is a great fighter. But I have never rated him as a great Champion, not the level of the media seem to portray. The game is still in motion, and the story of this era is still being composed etc.

It was the boxing media also which seem to go over the top with Fury. I think it is a symptom of today's culture with some folk 'They get carried away with the moment, or whoever is hot in the moment. I see this in other sports to, every week, every month, year there is a new greatest of all-time. There is a new athlete who should retire, and is nothing. But then the next month or performance he is on top-again. Most boxing fans or sports fans for me? Don't really value history, and they struggle to put things into perspective. I have given Fury his credit for his two mega wins, and they are the best wins of his era in terms of historical magnitude 'The reason why I say that is because skill for skill, there may have actually been better wins. Joshua for me beat a better version of Kiltschko, and his win was more conclusion but? I still cannot rate Joshua's win greater than Fury's over Kiltschko in terms of historical magnitude. Yes mate, Furys hardcore fans on the sly are very protective of Fury 'They were petrified before he fought Whyte, and celebratory as if that was a all-time great win. That was also a fluke knock-out, you can tell by how Fury and his team celebrated. Note: It will be interesting of how Fury reacts to his recent form. He has gone quiet now, which suggest that the Nganonou performance was more serious than just 'Oh he never trained properly and all this nonsense. People need to think back to when Lennox Lewis loss to Hasim Rahman, fighters know when they have under prepared or been complacent 'I think Fury turn up vs Ngannou to dazzle the world, and he could not do it mate. That is why his performance has hit him hard' etc. Cheers for the reply. I dislike Fury for his lies and ducking and taking soft touches and drug cheating and all the rest, but the shame of his career is that he actually may be quite good. We just don't know it because he won't run the gauntlet of top guys an- d fights too infrequently. Could he look good against Zhiang, Hrgovic, AJ etc - possibly. I do doubt it - I believe Dubois and a few others would clean his clock. He's a clever and sly man, and has made the most of what I believe is mediocre talent by not doing very much since that night in Germany.

I don't see how AJ and Wilder ever realistically had 4 years to agree to an undisputed fight. 14 months after Joshua won the WBO against Parker, he lost it against Ruiz.

Top 10 all time fighters dont struggle with people with 0 boxing experience. And Fury has the belts for 3 years now and no fight against Usyk on the horizon, stop spreading BS. He didn't rematch Wlad, he popped dirty and didnt unify with wilder in 2015, so yeah 8 years without a unification fight. These HW are trash. You struggled to put up a top 5 when there is a plethora of boxers you could've put there before Fury. 5-0-1 in titles fights against mostly bums is laughable.

You call that "sorting it out". Been a farce just like everything in boxing. Khan v Brook should have happened years ago for example. Hayes v Fury in their prime

That fight has been postponed and anything can happen at this point. It only counts when they actually fight.

s!** Rocky Marciano doesn't count due to clear match-fixing Fixing 43 KOs and plenty of seriously injured fighters, yeah...

Very well said. People need to understand the difference between SAYING you'd beat everyone and actually doing it. I believe that TF and his entourage actually know he isn't all that, which is why he has ducked AJ twice and avoided all the top prospects. For example, Frank Warren has Joyce and Dubois in his stable so it would have been easy to make fights with those guys, and before they were beaten they were feared. But.....nope, Chisora X 3 or an mma dude. Fury doesn't even defend the belt that often. His leagcy is more about ducking fights than challenging himself. Let's see him fight three times a year against the likes of AJ, Zhiang, Makhmudhov, Anderson and Sanchez etc. that's without mentioning Usyk. There are so many questions he has not answered, as you say, it is a disservice and disrespect to actual greats to mention the PED cheat ducker in the same breath. He's a phoney. It was the boxing media also which seem to go over the top with Fury. I think it is a symptom of today's culture with some folk 'They get carried away with the moment, or whoever is hot in the moment. I see this in other sports to, every week, every month, year there is a new greatest of all-time. There is a new athlete who should retire, and is nothing. But then the next month or performance he is on top-again. Most boxing fans or sports fans for me? Don't really value history, and they struggle to put things into perspective. I have given Fury his credit for his two mega wins, and they are the best wins of his era in terms of historical magnitude 'The reason why I say that is because skill for skill, there may have actually been better wins. Joshua for me beat a better version of Kiltschko, and his win was more conclusion but? I still cannot rate Joshua's win greater than Fury's over Kiltschko in terms of historical magnitude. Yes mate, Furys hardcore fans on the sly are very protective of Fury 'They were petrified before he fought Whyte, and celebratory as if that was a all-time great win. That was also a fluke knock-out, you can tell by how Fury and his team celebrated. Note: It will be interesting of how Fury reacts to his recent form. He has gone quiet now, which suggest that the Nganonou performance was more serious than just 'Oh he never trained properly and all this nonsense. People need to think back to when Lennox Lewis loss to Hasim Rahman, fighters know when they have under prepared or been complacent 'I think Fury turn up vs Ngannou to dazzle the world, and he could not do it mate. That is why his performance has hit him hard' etc.

Wilder pursued AJ after AJ beat klitchko, but AJ didn't want it, still didn't want it. Fury/usyk is not even talked about as much. I want to see undisputed, but fury is the one pushing it back and downplaying usyk. He also embarrassed himself after that performance with francis. I think he should rematch francis and beat him more clearly, erase all doubts and then go for undisputed. As much as I don't like boxers fighting mma guys when they are active/not retired, fury painted himself in the corner.

A boxing novice has put Flubber vs The Midget on hold :lol1:

You can only hoodwinked the game for so long. Boxing is not entirely a sport of opinion 'It is in terms of action, extremely objective'. And Tyson Fury when you really objectively check his resume, he has not fought at elite level skill for skill for 7-8 years 'And his last real top-level fight was vs Wilder'. Apart from those fights, Fury's entire career has basically been at domestic to high end European level. At some point that sort of behavior as a Champion and fighter will show up inside the boxing ring 'I believe that is potentially what people are starting to witness with Fury'. Tyson Fury is a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights, but I have never rated him as a great all-time great Champion quite simply because he does not have the feats of achievement statistically. I believe people tend to get carried away with whatever is hot right now in the moment, and Fury has been that type of fighter in boxing. I believe by in large the boxing media has disrespected its own history, and all other past all-time great Champions during this Tyson Fury reign. Tyson Fury has two great wins over Kiltschko and Wilder, but then outside of that most Fury's current reputation is ether built up off fights he never won, or mythical head to head match ups which in my opinion has disrespected the true all-time great Champions of the sport 'How they have been dismissed, and demeaned to enhance Tyson Fury's resume and credibility. It has been unprecedented, I have never witnessed a fighter be bestowed so much greatness upon them without achieving the actual feats of achievement to capture that greatness' etc. Very well said. People need to understand the difference between SAYING you'd beat everyone and actually doing it. I believe that TF and his entourage actually know he isn't all that, which is why he has ducked AJ twice and avoided all the top prospects. For example, Frank Warren has Joyce and Dubois in his stable so it would have been easy to make fights with those guys, and before they were beaten they were feared. But.....nope, Chisora X 3 or an mma dude. Fury doesn't even defend the belt that often. His leagcy is more about ducking fights than challenging himself. Let's see him fight three times a year against the likes of AJ, Zhiang, Makhmudhov, Anderson and Sanchez etc. that's without mentioning Usyk. There are so many questions he has not answered, as you say, it is a disservice and disrespect to actual greats to mention the PED cheat ducker in the same breath. He's a phoney.

It's difficult trying to educate these Fury fools mate. He is largely hype, hype spouted by himself and his motormouth Dad. He ducked AJ, cancelled on usyk, and will now cancel a second time on Usyk. Big fraud, can't stand him, don't understand why people think he's decent. Dropped by nobodies, bludgeoned by the great otto Wallin, lost to McDermott, lost to Ngannou, can we please stop mentioning him in the same breath as Ali, Holmes, Lewis, tyson etc. You can only hoodwinked the game for so long. Boxing is not entirely a sport of opinion 'It is in terms of action, extremely objective'. And Tyson Fury when you really objectively check his resume, he has not fought at elite level skill for skill for 7-8 years 'And his last real top-level fight was vs Wilder'. Apart from those fights, Fury's entire career has basically been at domestic to high end European level. At some point that sort of behavior as a Champion and fighter will show up inside the boxing ring 'I believe that is potentially what people are starting to witness with Fury'. Tyson Fury is a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights, but I have never rated him as a great all-time great Champion quite simply because he does not have the feats of achievement statistically. I believe people tend to get carried away with whatever is hot right now in the moment, and Fury has been that type of fighter in boxing. I believe by in large the boxing media has disrespected its own history, and all other past all-time great Champions during this Tyson Fury reign. Tyson Fury has two great wins over Kiltschko and Wilder, but then outside of that most Fury's current reputation is ether built up off fights he never won, or mythical head to head match ups which in my opinion has disrespected the true all-time great Champions of the sport 'How they have been dismissed, and demeaned to enhance Tyson Fury's resume and credibility. It has been unprecedented, I have never witnessed a fighter be bestowed so much greatness upon them without achieving the actual feats of achievement to capture that greatness' etc.

When is the official date for the fight? Wilder & Fury both fought each other to avoid Joshua 'Once upon a time'. Everyone who is honest knows this on the sly, to be true. Note: Fury believed Wilder was a stylistically easier fight then Joshua 'And it was the same with Wilder'. If the fight negotiations are going in the right direction great, but there is actually official date for the fight 'We have been at this stage of proceedings for many big fights in the past' etc. It's difficult trying to educate these Fury fools mate. He is largely hype, hype spouted by himself and his motormouth Dad. He ducked AJ, cancelled on usyk, and will now cancel a second time on Usyk. Big fraud, can't stand him, don't understand why people think he's decent. Dropped by nobodies, bludgeoned by the great otto Wallin, lost to McDermott, lost to Ngannou, can we please stop mentioning him in the same breath as Ali, Holmes, Lewis, tyson etc.

Is that what Fury and Wilder thought? Truly an insider then, ya? In the end, they where both wrong then, weren't they? Their trilogy took years off their respective lives while poor A.J. was getting smashed & outskilled by every Tom, Dick and Harry. My theory differs. Wilder picked Fury because Fury was willing, and Wilder saw the title that Fury still owned, the real/lineal title as having greater value than the phony belts that Joshua was sharing around with every other challenger who showed up. And look at us today! Is Usyk going to be paid as much as Tyson Fury?? Not. Yes mate, I believe that is what they thought 'And yes depending on how you look at it? It backfired'. The trilogy was not a easy walk in the park battle for ether fighter 'On many levels'. Fury was effectively knocked out in the first fight, traumatized by Wilder's power. Wilder was then subjected to the worst beat down, he had ever endured in his career in the second fight 'But to his credit kept on fighting, and in my opinion? The fight should not of been stopped. You quite simply, do not take a power puncher out of the fight, while he is still fighting back and trying'. And then the third fight was, well both fighters were battered 'Fury just about got the win in my opinion, Wilder nearly got his tactics and preparation right i.e gaining mass and improving his brute strength to negate Fury's rough house tactics' But Wilder's endurance and speed seemed to have decreased in the third fight, most likely due to his gained mass not being 100% functional. It was a dramatic altercation of his conditioning from the 1st and 2nd fights'. Fury could of fought Joshua before Wilder 'And it would of been a bigger business fight for Fury'. Note: 80% of Fury's current reputation is because of the Wilder vs Fury trilogy 'It was that trilogy and specifically the first fight, which transcended Fury's career. So from that perspective, even though Fury & Wilder did both fight each other to avoid Joshua 'It was great match making, for both fighters especially Tyson Fury'. Tyson Fury throughout his entire career has always been matched greatly, out of the top-4 Heavyweights he has been the best managed and promoted 'Fury has taken fights only when he really has to, and he has avoided certain fighters a certain stages of his career'. Currently right now Fury is backed into a corner 'He ether fights Usyk next or Zhang'. A promoter essentially wants to keep their fighters winning, that is the way Fury's career has been managed 'Joshua's career has not been managed in this way, and that is why he has a greater overall resume and it is also why he has lost' etc.

Wasn't no no-string Saudi money in that era.

Wilder, by his own admission turned down AJ to fight fury. Thats his own damn fault. Now neither of them will make close to what they couldve earned.

PRINCEKOOL: Wilder is the King of the World! Hardest-punching man in history! If Fury can survive past the 1st round I will give him mad props yo until the end of time! Why did you say that, then disassociate with Wilder, at the same time ramping up the Gypsy King hate? Did Tyson ruin your life? How much did you lose betting? :rofl: :lol1: :lol1: Completely exposed.

When is the official date for the fight? Wilder & Fury both fought each other to avoid Joshua 'Once upon a time'. Everyone who is honest knows this on the sly, to be true. Note: Fury believed Wilder was a stylistically easier fight then Joshua 'And it was the same with Wilder'. If the fight negotiations are going in the right direction great, but there is actually official date for the fight 'We have been at this stage of proceedings for many big fights in the past' etc. Is that what Fury and Wilder thought? Truly an insider then, ya? In the end, they where both wrong then, weren't they? Their trilogy took years off their respective lives while poor A.J. was getting smashed & outskilled by every Tom, Dick and Harry. My theory differs. Wilder picked Fury because Fury was willing, and Wilder saw the title that Fury still owned, the real/lineal title as having greater value than the phony belts that Joshua was sharing around with every other challenger who showed up. And look at us today! Is Usyk going to be paid as much as Tyson Fury?? Not.