Why we should WATCH Fury vs. Ngannou while waiting for Fury to unify.

Fury is going to DESTROY Ngannou.

With my apologies.... I limit my dialog here with posters, and only infrequently do I find the time for tutoring Casual fans like you and like kafkod; and debating willfully ignorant posters holds no interest for me, much less those who've got nothing but insults & rudeness. Those who want to be serious, and honestly want to increase their knowledge of Boxing/Combat sports, I'm happy to dialog with. Come back with a civil altitude and I'll be happy to answer any questions for you. Well said willow I am 100% behind you. I hold you in the highest esteem and have learned a lot from you about boxing.:boxing:

I agree. Ive always said that if someone wants to learn "self defence" for the street the best thing (other than non physical stuff like threat awareness/avoidance etc) is boxing perhaps supplemented with a bit of judo in case the boxing part goes wrong and distance is closed, because judo specialises in explosive finisher sweeps/throws rather than spending a longer time engaged in the clinch or whatever like in wrestling and BJJ. Obviously if you only need to punch someone in the face to win, theres no need for plan B or C and trying to kick or wrestle on the street is not a desirable option if you can avoid it. Great post. And I hope you'll forgive my BS. It's just a guilty pleasure. We all do it from time to time.

Remember too: In an offensive or defensive altercation within public spaces...... You Hit hard, fast, accurately, drop em and walk.....ALWAYS & whenever possible during an altercation. Boxing's limited scope covers that Far Far better than anything I agree. Ive always said that if someone wants to learn "self defence" for the street the best thing (other than non physical stuff like threat awareness/avoidance etc) is boxing perhaps supplemented with a bit of judo in case the boxing part goes wrong and distance is closed, because judo specialises in explosive finisher sweeps/throws rather than spending a longer time engaged in the clinch or whatever like in wrestling and BJJ. Obviously if you only need to punch someone in the face to win, theres no need for plan B or C and trying to kick or wrestle on the street is not a desirable option if you can avoid it.

Yes, and the very restricted rules also means that the competitors train for a limited (but very refined) skillset that leaves them one dimensional and with a ton of holes in their game once they fight outside of boxing rules. Why does it even matter? For one thing, that aspect was all thoroughly acknowledged and framed in my opening post to every extent it deserves. Both are fight sports, one with more open rules, allowing kickers and grapplers a means of cashing in on those skills, albeit a meager one; but neither one is actually a real fight at all, as restrictions on some commonly used techniques allow grappling to operate in MMA with an impunity that ABSOLUTELY doesn't exist on "the street". Of couse, a toolkit containging 12 tools implies a more handy technician vs. A technician carrying only 5 tools...IF the technician with 12 is as good as the tech with lighter toolkit. Nobody disputes that. Who could? But any talk about Boxing being "just a sport" and MMGay being "A REAL" fight, is pure nuthuggery, and is immedialy reprogramed out of candidates in the United States special forces training program, as self evidently you cannot rule the world if your finest combat belligerents are found cracking open their legs going into the guard position on the field of battle, as though visiting a gynecologist. Secondly; anyone going after My gonads on the streets or in the field is sure having a length of 1095 Cro-van steel across their throat immediately, faster than you can say Joe Son. Because in my old fashioned mind, there is a CLEAN FIGHT (Boxing) and a DIRTY FIGHT (My KA-BAR); and anything half way in-between is just something to keep Wrestlers from having to coach High School 2 months a year. And nothing more. Lol.....Dude, I'm only kidding here (in between educating through obvious common sense). Remember too: In an offensive or defensive altercation within public spaces...... You Hit hard, fast, accurately, drop em and walk.....ALWAYS & whenever possible during an altercation. Boxing's limited scope covers that Far Far better than anything. But of course.... That certainly doesn't mean that wrestling, submission grappling, sweeps, takedowns, throws, high & low kicks, headbutting, Knees, elbows, eye gouging and other assorted goodies (some legel in MMA, some not) aren't just as necessary to perfect in your training, if becomming a serial unarmed fighter is you goal. These things needn't even be said. Anyway, I'm eager to see how Ngannou can fight in the big money leagues, deprived of the shortcut techniques.​

The sport of boxing is defined by the rules of boxing. Yes, and the very restricted rules also means that the competitors train for a limited (but very refined) skillset that leaves them one dimensional and with a ton of holes in their game once they fight outside of boxing rules.

And why would he be wanting to "fight Ngannou in MMA"??????? There's no money in that, and no glory either.​ Everybody remembers Mike Tyson Evander Holyfield, George Foreman. Who remembers Marco Ruas, Mark Coleman or Ricco Rodriguez??? Who? No glory. No money. Yeah sure, what glory could there possibly be in beating a UFC champion in MMA as opposed to beating them in boxing lol. And of course what money could there be either, because obviously the money these Saudis offer would change based on the fight being MMA rules instead of boxing rules. Clearly pales in comparison to the money Fury could make from fighting Otto Wallin. I wonder why you're listing 3 of the biggest boxing stars of all time, and then comparing them to three guys from the early years of the UFC, and not even the biggest ones at that, as opposed to say comparing the stars from both over the last 20 years or so. Now ask yourself why Holyfield wasnt randomly boxing Mark Coleman in the 90s but Fury is about to box Ngannou. ​Who are these top contenders who Tyson Fury has decided to overlook? ​ I mean, you've just put a list there that contains probably close to 10 current names he hasnt fought who if he beat them would be in his top 3-5 best career wins...... Oh, wait.......Am I trolling now? I really hope so.

Lol....you've got a great memory there champ. I lost big time on that. I lost on George Foreman, Duane Bobick, Ricky Hatton and Gerry Cooney even worse! But you MUST support you candidate!! You Must. I couldn't have forgotten one of the worst takes I have ever read on here. Fair play to you for being a good sport though.​

Lol....you've got a great memory there champ. I lost big time on that. I lost on George Foreman, Duane Bobick, Ricky Hatton and Gerry Cooney even worse! But you MUST support you candidate!! You Must. I couldn't have forgotten one of the worst takes I have ever read on here. Fair play to you for being a good sport though.

Not my type of fight. It is meaningless and I am not interested in putting money in Fury's pocket for a fight I am not interested in. If it bring more casuals to the sport it is a victory but not my cup of tea. Even when Pac fought Rios, Matthysse, etc I wouldn't pay for those either. Totally understandable.

"He (48 year old pure Boxer Ray Mercer) doesn't want to come into My world!" - 2-Time UFC Heavyweight Champion Tim Sylvia prior to being Knocked Cold in 9 seconds by a professional grade punch, found only in the Big Pay leagues, courtesy of the retired, overweight, 48 year old, Hep-C positive "Merciless" Ray Mercer, in Mercer's one MMA fight. One MMA fight: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Ray-Mercer-22389 9 Second KO: https://youtu.be/eUx9OE7DZAo?si=3KprY83bHApsSacp​ ​​​​​​​.....Let's see if Francis Ngannou can Even the Score.

Not my type of fight. It is meaningless and I am not interested in putting money in Fury's pocket for a fight I am not interested in. If it bring more casuals to the sport it is a victory but not my cup of tea. Even when Pac fought Rios, Matthysse, etc I wouldn't pay for those either.

Yeah because Fury is and always has been completely clean.... Fury is soft really, all the gypsy street fighter **** is just an act. If he had balls and was a true fighting man he'd be fighting top contenders in his own sport or fighting Ngannou in MMA. Jones could quite literally kill Fury inside of 30 seconds. See the Gane fight as the blueprint. That ends in death if theres no ref and Jones doesnt feel like letting go. Baddest man on the planet is the no1 HW or occasionally LHW MMA fighter. Its not even close. Even outside of that HW kickboxers and olympic wrestlers would beat HW boxers more often than not in an open rules fight. Right. So winning the the "greatest prize in sports" by Dominating the sitting and defending champion in a near shutout, then; in an historic comeback beating the stronger of the two replacement champions (Wilder) put in place by the Alphabet banditos after a serious health scare that sidelined the champion, in a 2 out of 3 series......Fury is, what did you say? (Lacking) balls and (not) a true fighting man? You say that Fury is not "Fighting top contenders"? I think your demands might be a little askew. That's just me, of course. Not everyone. Just me. But I've gotta ask, and I appreciate your patience.... Who are these top contenders who Tyson Fury has decided to overlook? The ones who are SO COMPELLING that his oversight of them has undone all the work and deeds mentioned above. Help me find them. Here's a good pick list to assist you: World Champion - Tyson Fury. Won title 11/28/2015 1. Oleksandr Usyk 2. Deontay Wilder 2. Deontay Wilder 2. Deontay Wilder 3. Zhilei Zhang 4. Anthony Joshua 5. Andy Ruiz 6. Joe Joyce 7. Luis Ortiz 8. Daniel Dubois 9. Dillian Whyte 10.Martin Bakole 11.Filip Hrgovic 12.Derek Chisora 12.Derek Chisora​ 12.Derek Chisora 13.Joseph Parker 14. Michael Hunter 15.Frank Sanchez 16.Murat Gassiev 17.Arslanbek Makhmudov 18.Jarred Anderson 19.Kubrat Pulev 20.Efe Ajagba 21.Otto Wallin 22.Carlos Takam 23.Agit Kabayel 24.Robert Helenius 25.Tony Yoka I've placed in bold those who Fury’s fought already. I've duplicated anyone who he's fought more than once. I don't see his reign as being as thorough as several other legendary heavyweight champions in cleaning out the division (such as Klitschko, whom he easily beat), but he's still active, and fighting next month. I see that Zhang and Joyce are both tied up at the moment. Joshua and Ruiz where presented with offers and will be again. Ortiz had his two shots against Wilder and was twiced knocked out. We're.........we're not talking about......about Oleksandr Usyk, are we???? ARE WE??????? The last time I saw that paper lion, he was groveling at the feet of Daniel Dubois for three whole minutes, the first prime Heavyweight he'd ever faced. I don't imagine you'd be willing to accord Daniel Dubois any more respect than you do the Heavyweight Champion of the World, Tyson Fury; would you? And why would he be wanting to "fight Ngannou in MMA"??????? There's no money in that, and no glory either. Everybody remembers Mike Tyson Evander Holyfield, George Foreman. Who remembers Marco Ruas, Mark Coleman or Ricco Rodriguez??? Who? No glory. No money. This is why the UFC Champ is begging at Tyson Fury's doorstep. Don't ask me about that, ask Ngannou. The Idea that Boxing, Wrestling, Kickboxing are "Just Sports" and MMA is something beyond that is promotional hyperbole- Period. You Fan Boy. All you need for MMA is 25% Boxing, 25% Freestyle/Greco-Roman/Judo, 25% BJJ/Submission grappling, 25% Muay Thai/FC Karate/Kickboxing, a funny haircut and a belly full of jizum from all that man-to-man rolling practice. What's in that for the boxing champion? That's like asking a top firm law partner to quit and be the janitor!!!!!! With no Eye gouging and Biting and Fish hooking, MMA is nothing but a place where grapplers with wild swings can get it on without having to fear those attacks, the first thing they'd encounter in a real fight in response to that close quarters, fruitcake approach to unarmed combat. MMGay was Invented as a new sport alternative to Boxing, so that the promotion can get away with paying the fighters cab fare. Money talks and Bullshit walks. Oh, wait.......Am I trolling now? Well that makes us even.

As for the Rousey thing, how many people actually believed that? it was a fringe opinion that most people have always considered ridiculous whether they're MMA fans or not. I don't know how many believed that, but you can guarantee they were all either radical feminists or MMA fanboys.

If they're 3rd rate combat athletes the supposed first rate combat athletes wouldnt need to ban 80% of their skillsets to beat them. The sport of boxing is defined by the rules of boxing. If the rules were altered to allow kicking and rolling around on the floor it wouldn't be boxing any more and MMA fighters would have nowhere to go to earn the kind of money they can't earn in MMA.

UFC is a haven for 3rd rate combat athletes who need to take PEDs. Why else would they stay there getting paid a pittance? Look what happened to Conor McTapper when he fought a real world class combat athlete. Floyd was 20lbs lighter, 20 years older, didn't even bother training for the UFC bum and still schooled him without breaking sweat. UFC fanboys thought Rousey would beat Mike Tyson in a street fight. She ended up getting flattened by a couple of 140lb girls! If they're 3rd rate combat athletes the supposed first rate combat athletes wouldnt need to ban 80% of their skillsets to beat them. The money argument is always oversimplified. The UFC is fucking 30 years old, theres no Ali act and one promotion is by far bigger than the others. Also the massive money in boxing is at the absolute sub 1% level, theres probably a higher ratio of MMAs talent pool making a decent living. For one the UFC has over 1000 athletes on its roster, i'm not sure Top Rank, PBC, Matchroom, Golden Boy, Queensberry and Boxxer have half that many people signed combined. Then theres the factor that its the highest paid combat sport outside of boxing but is also MIXED MARTIAL ARTS meaning you can transition into it, so basically any combat sports athlete that isnt a boxer at their core (ie wrestlers, BJJ, kickboxers, muay thai etc) has an incentive to go there. The Conor/Floyd fight was more embarrassing for Floyd if anything. An 0-0 boxer lasting 10 rounds against a guy who was still p4p level 2 years earlier, never touching the canvas once, outlanding Floyd in the first 3 rounds and eventually being stopped against the ropes because he was gassed. If a boxer goes into MMA how its generally gonna play out is like 10% chance they land a Hail Mary, 90% chance they get taken down and stopped in the first round. Its not likely any 0-0 in MMA boxer is gonna be lasting until late rounds and even winning a few. As for the Rousey thing, how many people actually believed that? it was a fringe opinion that most people have always considered ridiculous whether they're MMA fans or not.

Yeah because Fury is and always has been completely clean.... Fury is soft really, all the gypsy street fighter **** is just an act. If he had balls and was a true fighting man he'd be fighting top contenders in his own sport or fighting Ngannou in MMA. Jones could quite literally kill Fury inside of 30 seconds. See the Gane fight as the blueprint. That ends in death if theres no ref and Jones doesnt feel like letting go. Baddest man on the planet is the no1 HW or occasionally LHW MMA fighter. Its not even close. Even outside of that HW kickboxers and olympic wrestlers would beat HW boxers more often than not in an open rules fight. UFC is a haven for 3rd rate combat athletes who need to take PEDs. Why else would they stay there getting paid a pittance? Look what happened to Conor McTapper when he fought a real world class combat athlete. Floyd was 20lbs lighter, 20 years older, didn't even bother training for the UFC bum and still schooled him without breaking sweat. UFC fanboys thought Rousey would beat Mike Tyson in a street fight. She ended up getting flattened by a couple of 140lb girls!

It's called Roid Rage. Jones career is essentially built on getting away with taking as many PEDs as he likes while committing as many fouls as he likes in his fights. In a no rules fight with a 6 foot nine 280lb gypsy, without a referee to look after him, Jones would melt like a snowman in a heatwave. Yeah because Fury is and always has been completely clean.... Fury is soft really, all the gypsy street fighter shit is just an act. If he had balls and was a true fighting man he'd be fighting top contenders in his own sport or fighting Ngannou in MMA. Jones could quite literally kill Fury inside of 30 seconds. See the Gane fight as the blueprint. That ends in death if theres no ref and Jones doesnt feel like letting go. Baddest man on the planet is the no1 HW or occasionally LHW MMA fighter. Its not even close. Even outside of that HW kickboxers and olympic wrestlers would beat HW boxers more often than not in an open rules fight.

I mean, Jones's career is essentially built off of getting away with illegally eye poking people, mixed with a healthy dose of stomping their knee caps in. And as much of a **** POS as Fury is, Jones is absolutely sociopathic. I dont think Fury wants to be messing with Jones anywhere outside of a boxing ring. It's called Roid Rage. Jones career is essentially built on getting away with taking as many PEDs as he likes while committing as many fouls as he likes in his fights. In a no rules fight with a 6 foot nine 280lb gypsy, without a referee to look after him, Jones would melt like a snowman in a heatwave.

If he had a Jab like Fury I'll bet he'd be due a whopping pay raise too. Like Ngannou is getting. His boxing is the worst part of his game. From all accounts hes pretty well paid anyway. And Ngannou is in cash out mode.