If Pacquiao was so great, why did he get knocked out against a 40 year old and get outboxed by a washed 38 year old who was at the end of his career?

Ny homie holdin' it down, reppin' Asian roots and straight dominatin' in the Ring, makin' waves beyond. That's some straight-up fire, no lie. But he straight up dodged Crawford, ain't no denyin' that."​

So we just gonna ignore froid was on steroids? Lol ok Even on steroids Floyd would have ducked back to his mother's womb if he were to fight Margarito,

P4p number 1? As in right now? You have to be joking I do agree with the rest but I don't think I've ever considered him as p4p number 1 his whole career No not now but at some point during his career he definitely was p4p #1.

Lewis' resume is fukin deep. He fought basically everyone and has only two BS losses. Revenged both. He was undisputed. Marciano fought 40 yo ATGs in Moore, Louis and Walcott. They were just waiting for retirement check. His resume is garbage. Lewis fought fighters at their best. Lewis is also monster H2H. I think only Fury and Vitali could beat him. Vitali would be no match for a prime Lewis it showed in the actual fight they had where Lewis looked a shadow of his former self and fury would be dominated by Lewis with counters Fury can't deal with counter punchers it's why he's avoided them even joshua to an extent His two best wins are against non counter punchers who attack to set up their shots Joshua Was a better counter puncher than wlad and wilder put together

Very true...Canelo was soundly defeated by Bivol and lost the first TWO Golovkin fights according to most fans and media observers which is why he CANNOT be considered an all-time top 10 p4p great. In fact, it's clear as day he's paying off the judges given the controversial scorecards against Mayweather & Golovkin plus the razor thin margin by which Bivol was awarded victory (115-113) despite winning almost every round. Also, he was taken to school by Mayweather and arguably lost the Lara fight and has beaten a number of fighters way past their best e.g. Khan, Kovalev, Cotto & Chavez Jr. Having said that, we can't overlook the fact that he started his career at Light Welterweight and has dared to take RISKS winning world titles at Light Middleweight, Middleweight, Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight including the undisputed championship at Super Middleweight (first boxer ever) and LINEAL titles in 2 weight classes. He's also handed a number of tough, undefeated champions their FIRST loss in several different weight classes too e.g. Liam Smith, Callum Smith, BJS & Plant and dominated some resurgent fighters like Kirkland & Jacobs. Therefore, all things considered, he's definitely worthy of his status as p4p #1 during the current era but would be a top 20 p4p great at BEST given his failure to secure clear-cut wins over Golovkin and losses to Mayweather & Bivol. P4p number 1? As in right now? You have to be joking I do agree with the rest but I don't think I've ever considered him as p4p number 1 his whole career

Lewis' resume is fukin deep. He fought basically everyone and has only two BS losses. Revenged both. He was undisputed. Marciano fought 40 yo ATGs in Moore, Louis and Walcott. They were just waiting for retirement check. His resume is garbage. Lewis fought fighters at their best. Lewis is also monster H2H. I think only Fury and Vitali could beat him. Re Marciano, that’s true but he was in his early 30s when he fought Moore, Walcott & Charles so was no spring chicken either. Also, you can’t overlook the fact that he turned pro much later than the others (25) so had significantly less pro AND amateur experience. As for Lewis, he faced a similar problem as both Tyson & Holyfield were over 35yo when he beat them and had a few losses on their record too (although Lewis was also in his 30s). He was also behind on the scorecards to Vitali before a Doctor stopped the fight. Anyway, let’s agree to disagree although Ali’s words are very TELLING for me as he rarely talked positively about other fighters.

Top 5 ever after beats Ukrainian dosser. Top 10 right now. 1- Ali 2- Louis 3- Lewis 4- Johnson 5- Holmes 6- Dempsey 7- Holyfield 8- Fury 9- Klitschko 10- Marciano Gene Tunney's resume is extremely weak except natural middleweight Greb. We can add him as honorable mention. IF he beats Usyk then I'd place him at #10 on the all-time list because like I said before, he's a great fighter but the best of a WEAK era. Also, I think that Lewis is far too high on your list and should switch places with Marciano. After all, The Rock retired undefeated after 49 fights and not only beat every man put in front of him but knocked out the vast majority of them too (88%). He also fought in a far tougher era and stopped multiple HoF fighters along the way e.g. Walcott, Charles, Moore & Louis. A lot of naysayers claim that Moore, Walcott & Louis were past their best when Marciano faced them but forget that they were all on BIG winning streaks (Moore: 21 fights & Louis: 8 fights) plus Walcott had just beaten Charles twice. They also turned pro in their late teens/early 20s whereas Marciano only turned professional at 25 so they had significantly more experience (plus better amateur careers too). In fact, even the GOAT Ali admitted that he wasn't sure he would be able to beat Marciano which says it all. A criminally underrated fighter IMO.

Top 10 ATG in my book. The multi division monsters with solid resume. {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"2023-09-11-19-25-50-257.jpg","data-attachmentid":32002825} Interesting take...where do you rank the Gypsy King aka 'Big Dosser' amongst the Heavyweight greats? For me, he's EASILY the greatest Heavyweight of his generation although I still think he'd struggle against the likes of Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield & Bowe let alone Ali, Frazier, Marciano & Louis. In other words, he's the best of the bunch of a WEAK era.

Some very very old fighters with hardly any footage get the benefit of the doubt if you dig deep enough but canelos whole career and the careers of his opposition are there for all of us to see I've watched canelos entire career and you cant pull the wool over a hardcore fans eyes He's done alright but the weight jumps have been against mediocre competition or guys that were past their best (kovalev)and the one time he fought a true talent when stepping up he lost pretty much every round As for the ggg wins which I personally only think was the 3rd outing ,they were too late if they were to have a trilogy it should have been the 3rd fight the date they had their first fight I know I won't be able to reason with you at all as you're clearly a fanboy but to hardcores it's all about context What did Bradley say about manufactured greatness when referring to canelo? Anyways you seemed educated in boxing and perhaps you feel you are smart enough to convert people into thinking canelo is greater than they think But not me Peace Very true...Canelo was soundly defeated by Bivol and lost the first TWO Golovkin fights according to most fans and media observers which is why he CANNOT be considered an all-time top 10 p4p great. In fact, it's clear as day he's paying off the judges given the controversial scorecards against Mayweather & Golovkin plus the razor thin margin by which Bivol was awarded victory (115-113) despite winning almost every round. Also, he was taken to school by Mayweather and arguably lost the Lara fight and has beaten a number of fighters way past their best e.g. Khan, Kovalev, Cotto & Chavez Jr. Having said that, we can't overlook the fact that he started his career at Light Welterweight and has dared to take RISKS winning world titles at Light Middleweight, Middleweight, Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight including the undisputed championship at Super Middleweight (first boxer ever) and LINEAL titles in 2 weight classes. He's also handed a number of tough, undefeated champions their FIRST loss in several different weight classes too e.g. Liam Smith, Callum Smith, BJS & Plant and dominated some resurgent fighters like Kirkland & Jacobs. Therefore, all things considered, he's definitely worthy of his status as p4p #1 during the current era but would be a top 20 p4p great at BEST given his failure to secure clear-cut wins over Golovkin and losses to Mayweather & Bivol.

No Ali on that list? Ali is the GOAT but we’re talking about fighters who’ve won titles in MULTIPLE divisions specifically...

Your list makes sense based on YOUR criteria although personally I’d replace Canelo + Floyd with SRL+Tommy Hearns given their accomplishments. Still, each to his own :) No Ali on that list?

elite counterpunchers with nice rights and good footwork had manny's number. manny won 3 fights out of 8 total between Marquez Floyd Morales 3rd fight was 9-3 for Marquez 4th fight manny got clapped I think I had manny winning only the 2nd Marquez fight. Would have loved to see him fight Joan Guzman I think it was at 130 or 135 iirc, both held titles That would have been a helluva fight imo

I've always been a Floyd fan Manny Pacquaio is a legend of the sport A 140lb Pac was a complete nightmare An amazing fighter with tremendous skills and natural ability. Losses do not define his greatness. He is phenomenal to watch

What saves Pac from his fans being HONEST is his fake humble act. Same Pac with but a brash ego and his resume is destroyed with no lube.

Hes had a Roberto duran type of career tbh Honestly he got knocked out by another all time great and outboxed by one of the greatest if not the greatest defensive fighter he was the smaller fighter once he left 130 pretty damn impressive what he did

His achievements: - Most belts ever. (17 win with 14 different belts.) - Only fighter who held belts in three divisions at the same time in history except Armstrong. - Only undisputed SMW in history. - Only WW who won belt at LHW in history except Hearns. - Third fighter who beat most champions in history. (18 champions. Only behind Floyd 23 and Pac 21.) - Dominating P4P lists with being #1 straight 2.5 years. - ATG resume with tons of good fighters. Greatest of his generation by margin. Creating his own era since November 2015. - Fighting two P4P #1s and beating one of them in 2018. - Run from LWW to LHW. Fighting in six divisions and being world champion in four of them. - Being unified at 154 and 160, being undisputed 168 and WBO at 175. ​​​​​​ His pending achievements: - Most beating on champions in history. Only 5 more champions. - Only fighter who beat two P4P #1s in history. He gotta only fight Crawford. - Only fighter who beat two undisputed champions in history. He gotta fight Charlo and Crawford. Canelo still has 4 years more according to him. He'll improve his legacy more and more. We're underestimating modern fighters too much. Floyd beat your two favorite fighters :rofl:

His achievements: - Most belts ever. (17 win with 14 different belts.) - Only fighter who held belts in three divisions at the same time in history except Armstrong. - Only undisputed SMW in history. - Only WW who won belt at LHW in history except Hearns. - Third fighter who beat most champions in history. (18 champions. Only behind Floyd 23 and Pac 21.) - Dominating P4P lists with being #1 straight 2.5 years. - ATG resume with tons of good fighters. Greatest of his generation by margin. Creating his own era since November 2015. - Fighting two P4P #1s and beating one of them in 2018. - Run from LWW to LHW. Fighting in six divisions and being world champion in four of them. - Being unified at 154 and 160, being undisputed 168 and WBO at 175. ​​​​​​ His pending achievements: - Most beating on champions in history. Only 5 more champions. - Only fighter who beat two P4P #1s in history. He gotta only fight Crawford. - Only fighter who beat two undisputed champions in history. He gotta fight Charlo and Crawford. Canelo still has 4 years more according to him. He'll improve his legacy more and more. We're underestimating modern fighters too much. Some very very old fighters with hardly any footage get the benefit of the doubt if you dig deep enough but canelos whole career and the careers of his opposition are there for all of us to see I've watched canelos entire career and you cant pull the wool over a hardcore fans eyes He's done alright but the weight jumps have been against mediocre competition or guys that were past their best (kovalev)and the one time he fought a true talent when stepping up he lost pretty much every round As for the ggg wins which I personally only think was the 3rd outing ,they were too late if they were to have a trilogy it should have been the 3rd fight the date they had their first fight I know I won't be able to reason with you at all as you're clearly a fanboy but to hardcores it's all about context What did Bradley say about manufactured greatness when referring to canelo? Anyways you seemed educated in boxing and perhaps you feel you are smart enough to convert people into thinking canelo is greater than they think But not me Peace

I read Manny was a 9 division champion and he arguably beat Floyd just on the first page. :lol1::lol1:

Pac was so great, and that's why he won titles in 7 divisions and oldest to win a WW title and regain it.And being so great allowed him to have success over 25 years. On your worst might anything can happen, pac is allowed to loose complete bums but jm m and floyd are hardly bums Agreed...Floyd is a fantastic fighter too and I can understand if people rate him higher than Pacquiao. However, if he wasn't the #1 cash cow in Vegas and Haymon's best friend, he'd also have a few losses on his record too e.g. Castillo 1, DLH (his own dad scored the fight for Oscar) & arguably Maidana 1 and even the Pacquiao fight. However, the reason I rate Pacquiao higher is because he won his first world title at FLYWEIGHT, is an 8 division champ (with 5 LINEAL titles) & a 4 DECADE champ which are feats that nobody else has accomplished. Also, like I said earlier, he dropped & beat an undefeated, avoided, KO artist in Thurman despite being 40yo which is a challenge Floyd wouldn't dare take.

He wobbled Pacquiao with the same right hand in the 2nd fight. That's true but he didn't DROP him whereas Manny dropped him multiple times in the first 2 fights and wobbled him several times too. However, it's strange that Marquez suddenly put him on the canvas twice in the 4th fight plus Manny faced some pretty big punchers after Marquez like Rios, Matthysse & Thurman but was NEVER badly hurt or dropped once which makes it even more suspicious.