Wilder's ko ratio against top 10 opponents compared to others

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Correct me if I am wrong, but if we use The Ring's rankings, then Usyk would have a 0% KO ratio against top 10 opponents, both cruiser and heavy? Huck was #7 when he kod him and Dubois and mchunu were in the top 10 after losing to usyk if that counts?

I updated the list to reflect Wilders great power

using the ring rankings. Correct me if I am wrong, but if we use The Ring's rankings, then Usyk would have a 0% KO ratio against top 10 opponents, both cruiser and heavy?

i updated the list with most of the notable fighters of the last 100 years or so. wilder still not looking like the biggest puncher in boxing history to me. maybe i missed something?

Best Answer It's a good stat, but it requires some annotations in order to hold any meaning. Name the 56 "top opponents" for us, because that's the subjective peice. The Ring rankings? That's a long discussion itself, and one that I've shared with Nat Loubet, Steve Farhood, Randy Gordon, Doug Fischer, Adam Abramowitz, Dan Rafael, Herbert G. Goldman (the best man in boxing) and the late Stanley Weston and Bert Sugar over the years, to name a few; and it is a perenneal topic among the scribes. Some of their top 10 luminaries during your time frame discussed include: Bruce Seldon, Alexander Zolkin, Henry Akinwande, Lionel Butler, Herbie Hide, Michael Bentt, Phill Jackson, Mike "the bounty" Hunter, Alex Garcia, David Izon, Derrick Jefferson, Kirk Johnson, Fres Oquendo, James Toney, Monte Barrett, Siarhei Liakhovich, Calvin Brock, Samuel Peter, Volodymyr Vyrchys, Juan Carlos Gomez, Alexander Dimitrenko, Denis Boytsov, "Fast" Eddie Chambers, Mike Perez and Vyacheslav Glazkov; to name just a few of The Ring's top 10ers of recent vintage. It is your claim that if Wilder added those 25 to his KO leger, that your estimation of him would go through the roof??? Either The Ring jumped the gun on a number of heavyweights before they were proven out; or they simply struggled to populate 10 spots in the vacuum of some terribly abysmal periods. (Both things are true). As a magazine rankings staffer from long ago, I understand the urge to jump the gun on a prospect, and above all others, The Ring was guilty. My beleif, is that hindsight assesments beat out the Ring rankings any day of the week. I can assure you that Deontay Wilder would have NO TROUBLE was any of those "top fighters", nor would at least 7 of his KO victims. I can assure you that Deontay Wilder is an IBHOF level heavyweight and a vetted shoe-in. I can further assure that Wilder remains the 2nd best Heavyweight of this era, which began in 2015, and that the space between him and the no. 1 (Tyson Fury), whom he battled 3 times, is a much smaller gap than the gap between Wilder and no. 3 (Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz, Ortiz, or whoever you please). The accolades used to assess the level of Wilder's campaign is admittedly a collection which doesn't necessarily include an ultra strong roster of opponents, versus the other champions chosen for your illustration. It's quite true. But you seem inattentive to the particle component nature of this assessment, driven, one would guess, by your zeal to make your case. One other particle component that's equally nessesary to mention, to develop an objective relative assessment of Wilder's measurement against the others, is that I have never yet seen Deontay Wilder get himself blown away by a huge underdog like Lewis & Wladimir did on numerous occasions, or quit like a dog as we've seen with Vitali and Joshua. That kind of thing matters too. Allot. The work that Wilder has done places him very high, and he's done it with a fighting heart. Of course, he is still at or near the top of his game, we shouldn't forget. Tyson Fury is gonna beat that soft body of Usyk UP this winter!!!!! Tyson Fury KO 5 through 8 over Oleksandr Usyk is a pretty good guess. But a Unified beltholder has the shelf life of an avocado, sadly. My guess is, the IBF will be the first to strip Fury after he smashes their "Champion", and will match Filip Hrgovic with the Wilder - Joshua winner for their title. Two easy KO's for Wilder there, and two more ring ranked names you'll have to add to Wilder's KO list; and then we will be clamoring for Fury - Wilder IV for re-unification, about a year from now. Lol. Very plausible, whether you like it or not.​ if its so easy to ko top 10 ranked opponents why didnt wilder do it lmao

updated the thread for wilder fanatics like myself

ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight lewis-53% 8 out of 15 fury-60% 3 out of 5 vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8 wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13 joshua-44% 4 out of 9 wilder-33% 2 out of 6 bonus greatness: ali-50% 18 out of 36 ​ Best Answer It's a good stat, but it requires some annotations in order to hold any meaning. Name the 56 "top opponents" for us, because that's the subjective peice. The Ring rankings? That's a long discussion itself, and one that I've shared with Nat Loubet, Steve Farhood, Randy Gordon, Doug Fischer, Adam Abramowitz, Dan Rafael, Herbert G. Goldman (the best man in boxing) and the late Stanley Weston and Bert Sugar over the years, to name a few; and it is a perenneal topic among the scribes. Some of their top 10 luminaries during your time frame discussed include: Bruce Seldon, Alexander Zolkin, Henry Akinwande, Lionel Butler, Herbie Hide, Michael Bentt, Phill Jackson, Mike "the bounty" Hunter, Alex Garcia, David Izon, Derrick Jefferson, Kirk Johnson, Fres Oquendo, James Toney, Monte Barrett, Siarhei Liakhovich, Calvin Brock, Samuel Peter, Volodymyr Vyrchys, Juan Carlos Gomez, Alexander Dimitrenko, Denis Boytsov, "Fast" Eddie Chambers, Mike Perez and Vyacheslav Glazkov; to name just a few of The Ring's top 10ers of recent vintage. It is your claim that if Wilder added those 25 to his KO leger, that your estimation of him would go through the roof??? Either The Ring jumped the gun on a number of heavyweights before they were proven out; or they simply struggled to populate 10 spots in the vacuum of some terribly abysmal periods. (Both things are true). As a magazine rankings staffer from long ago, I understand the urge to jump the gun on a prospect, and above all others, The Ring was guilty. My beleif, is that hindsight assesments beat out the Ring rankings any day of the week. I can assure you that Deontay Wilder would have NO TROUBLE was any of those "top fighters", nor would at least 7 of his KO victims. I can assure you that Deontay Wilder is an IBHOF level heavyweight and a vetted shoe-in. I can further assure that Wilder remains the 2nd best Heavyweight of this era, which began in 2015, and that the space between him and the no. 1 (Tyson Fury), whom he battled 3 times, is a much smaller gap than the gap between Wilder and no. 3 (Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz, Ortiz, or whoever you please). The accolades used to assess the level of Wilder's campaign is admittedly a collection which doesn't necessarily include an ultra strong roster of opponents, versus the other champions chosen for your illustration. It's quite true. But you seem inattentive to the particle component nature of this assessment, driven, one would guess, by your zeal to make your case. One other particle component that's equally nessesary to mention, to develop an objective relative assessment of Wilder's measurement against the others, is that I have never yet seen Deontay Wilder get himself blown away by a huge underdog like Lewis & Wladimir did on numerous occasions, or quit like a dog as we've seen with Vitali and Joshua. That kind of thing matters too. Allot. The work that Wilder has done places him very high, and he's done it with a fighting heart. Of course, he is still at or near the top of his game, we shouldn't forget. Tyson Fury is gonna beat that soft body of Usyk UP this winter!!!!! Tyson Fury KO 5 through 8 over Oleksandr Usyk is a pretty good guess. But a Unified beltholder has the shelf life of an avocado, sadly. My guess is, the IBF will be the first to strip Fury after he smashes their "Champion", and will match Filip Hrgovic with the Wilder - Joshua winner for their title. Two easy KO's for Wilder there, and two more ring ranked names you'll have to add to Wilder's KO list; and then we will be clamoring for Fury - Wilder IV for re-unification, about a year from now. Lol. Very plausible, whether you like it or not.​

Wilder lives rent free in a lot of people.

using the ring rankings. helenius and spilzka were not ranked and stiverne was only ranked in the first fight in which he was not ko'd. so wilder has a grand total of 2 ko's against top 10 fighters, and that was the same guy...weak as hell but keep pretending guys like helenius were legit opponents if you want. This exactly. Only 2 Kos vs top 10 opponents. Only 3 top 10 opponents in Fury, Ortiz and Stiverne.

Not all top tens represent the same quality, the whole idea is skewed, what is the thread actually trying to say? - - Trying to say Deyonce hvy title reign a TBA Farce.

Obviously it's a little bit skewed. Wilder fought Fury 3 times and I don't see any shame in him not scoring a knockout there. Probably the biggest takeaway is how few top 10 fighters both Fury and Wilder have fought. Especially given they fought each other three times. And especially given Wilder was a champion for a long time. For what it's worth I don't think Wilder's power is overrated. He has serious power. But what is overrated is his ability to deliver that punch at the very top level. The best guys don't just walk onto a fighter's 'swing for the fences' shot.

Interesting thread. I just like ignoring facts when they don’t match my I’ll formed preconceived notions

Wilder is a bum with the power. But this power is still real.

Not all top tens represent the same quality, the whole idea is skewed, what is the thread actually trying to say?

The fact hes only fought three top 10 level opponents in 46 fights is ridiculous. I do think his power is very real though, in that straight right anyway. But against a higher level of opposition hes obviously not going to be landing as successfully, and they can potentially get to him before he hurts them.

Wilder has made a career of fat bums and one old man. That’s his career. He’s never fought a properly conditioned, top 10 opponent. Stiverne in fight 1 was conditioned and Wilder couldn’t even get an official KD, Stiverne, who’d been stopped prior, literally walked through Wilder’s power all night. The other 2 decently conditioned guys were Fury in fight II, which Wilder couldn’t KD neither, and that bum Gerald Washington, and he was stopped on his feet. People don’t even see that most of the guy’s Wilder has KO’d, have been KO’d in similar fashion by others.

Such a dishonest thread. Wilder's knocked everybody out he's fought but Fury & Stiverne.in the 1st fight. Nobody's knocked Fury out, hence him being undefeated. Wilder knocked Stiverne out in the 1st or 2nd round in their 2nd fight. So really, this thread is saying Wilder's not a big puncher because he hasn't knocked Fury out, who nobody's knocked out. Joshua, for instance didn't knock out Ruiz, Usyk, Franklin, or Parker, Now, let's look at their common opponents. Wilder knocked out Helenius in 3 punches It took Joshua 8 rounds to knock him out Wilder knocked Molina down 4x & stopped him in the 9th Joshua knocked Molina out in the 3rd Wilder knocked Breazeale out in 1 round Joshua stopped him in 7 Wilder stopped Gavern in 4 rounds Joshua stopped Gavern in 3 So, of their 4 common opponents, Wilder knocked 2 of them out earlier, Joshua knocked two of them out earlier So, essentially, this thread is about Fury Newsflash, Joshua aint knocking Fury out either, which is why they aint fought. Eddie Hearn wouldn't allow that shxt when it should've happened & now Tyson Fury is making them pay for it by stringing Joshua along.

Is the ring not considered a belt organization? Even if they’re not credible to some I believe Boxrec is the most referenced organization I rarely hear anyone fans mention The Ring. BoxRec may be the most popular too if we’re being honest. I've seen BoxRec mostly used when talking about guys outside of the top ten and for that, it's a useful tool because it's the only tool we have in regard to guys ranked on the fringers and below. However, there are a lot of flaws in the way points are given out. This leads to BoxRec typically having #1 fighters who aren't considered #1 by most other sources for example Davis is considered #1 at Lightweight (this includes Haney within the rankings), Usyk is considered #1 at Heavyweight, and Progrias is considered #1 at Jr. Welterweight (this may be the least controversial overall.) While both Ring and TBRB have Haney, Fury, and Lopez as the top fighters of these divisions. However I may be a bit out of the loop if you're including conversations that take place on Youtube and Twitter, but that's only because I know most people on those sites don't really follow the sport.

No one ever brings up the ratings the belt organisation offers outside when a less-than-desirable opponent is chosen as their mandatory. Whenever the top 10 is mentioned, it's either in reference to Ring Magazine or TBRB. Is the ring not considered a belt organization? Even if they’re not credible to some I believe Boxrec is the most referenced organization I rarely hear anyone fans mention The Ring. BoxRec may be the most popular too if we’re being honest.