The amount of debate I'm seeing on the Dubois low blow tells me two things - people either have an agenda or haven't fought before.
Anyone who has ever taken a full clean bodyshot (or just been winded which is similar) knows a few things - there is a slight delayed reaction, you curl up and can't catch breath let alone talk! The pain then lifts and you feel normal again - mad, frustrating feeling!
Anyone who's ever taken a low blow know it's not even similar... The reaction is instinctive and immediate, the pain builds then fades away, you feel the need to stretch / straighten yourself out from the crotch and you can talk throughout. Usyk showed most of these reactions.
It was low, it didn't cause any of the typical crushing bodyshot reactions and making out if the ref hadn't call d it low Usyk was KO'd is just lies.
Stop it.
Dubois put up a better fight than expected, but was never in it and then quit, again. A rematch would possibly end his career, Team Dubois should act like they've been cheated and ride that wave but avoid Usyk at all costs.
Rules aren't defined by a fighter's reaction.
There is lots of visual evidence on where the punch landed. There is also uncertainty given the shorts are high.
I just can't see how anyone could be as definitive as most are being on here. It's not definitively anything.
The fighter's reaction is obviously to claim a low blow. It's the smart response and Usyk is smart. He claimed plenty of them - some might have been, some I'm sure weren't low.
Bro, you're completely missing my point?
Serious question, have you ever been knocked out with a body shot? I have in sparring with big gloves on and couldn't move, and have seen plenty of fighters amateur and pro who have and it's the same.
There is no way in that moment, you could behave how Usyk was behaving. If it was a knock out body shot he would've been incapacitated, regardless of what the ref was doing. He wasn't. It was a low blow.
Because he didn't double over?
Its possible a body shot can send you on your back, especially from a bigger stronger man.
Wilder went on his back from a Fury body shot, yeah it was momentum too, but if Wilder didn't get up, we wouldn't be saying it wasn't a body shot because he didn't double over. It was a clear body shot and he went down on his back. I'm sure you could find many more examples.
It looked to me like a guy who can't really take it to the body which has been shown since the amateurs and he got caught in the body by arguably the biggest puncher he's ever faced and simply couldn't take it
I just don't see any way that was a low blow from the videos. Looked a legal shot to me, Usyk sold it as low and the ref took the bait.
people are going to have their own opinion on the matter, it doesn't really matter now, its done, but I think we can all agree Usyk is possible made of glass around the body.
Wilder was off balance. Usyk looked in uncomfortable pain after being hit low rather than crippling pain from a body shot.
He’s a smaller guy at Heavyweight, they’re going to have an effect, he’s shown resilience against AJ and Dubois, I’m not concerned about his durability tbh.
He looked like a fighter who’d been hit low. :lol1:
Because he didn't double over?
Its possible a body shot can send you on your back, especially from a bigger stronger man.
Wilder went on his back from a Fury body shot, yeah it was momentum too, but if Wilder didn't get up, we wouldn't be saying it wasn't a body shot because he didn't double over. It was a clear body shot and he went down on his back. I'm sure you could find many more examples.
It looked to me like a guy who can't really take it to the body which has been shown since the amateurs and he got caught in the body by arguably the biggest puncher he's ever faced and simply couldn't take it
I just don't see any way that was a low blow from the videos. Looked a legal shot to me, Usyk sold it as low and the ref took the bait.
people are going to have their own opinion on the matter, it doesn't really matter now, its done, but I think we can all agree Usyk is possible made of glass around the body.
He didn't hide it, he was on the floor in pain, wriggling around with his arms in a spasm and pretended it was low :lol1:
He looked like a fighter who’d been hit low. :lol1:
He’d have to have an all time great poker face. You can’t really hide a body shot.
He didn't hide it, he was on the floor in pain, wriggling around with his arms in a spasm and pretended it was low :lol1:
If you look at where the belt is, His testicles would almost be directly under his belly button.
I think he got hit in the bladder, not sure if my biology is correct but that area between his stomach and his balls.
Of course he could just be smart and knew how to fake it.
His arms were in a spasm on the floor, that would likely be down to trauma to organs from a body shot. You don't have to be hit directly in your organs to cause trauma, an 18 stone powerful man with a big glove hitting you in the stomach will shake up your internal organs..
Look at this photo, you could say that's after the shot landed. But the trajectory of Dubois arm wouldn't take it from a low blow to that. His arm is rigid and tense, and unless he has a rubber arm, it's unlikely his hand would end up where it goes on this photo if the point of impact was a clear low blow.
That shot is on the belt line, and legal. The line of Usyk's hips are clearly below the belt line.
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He’d have to have an all time great poker face. You can’t really hide a body shot.
Then why didn't he grab his crotch while on the canvas. It looked more like the wind was knocked out of him more than anything. The punch landed on his belt line; Thereby rendering it a legal punch.
Also, I thought it was both a cowardly and tasteless display of unsportsmanlike conduct By Oleksandr; In a futile attempt to oversell a low blow in order to get Daniel Dubois disqualified.
He did that because he knew there was a good chance that the referee was about to count him out.
Rules aren't defined by a fighter's reaction.
There is lots of visual evidence on where the punch landed. There is also uncertainty given the shorts are high.
I just can't see how anyone could be as definitive as most are being on here. It's not definitively anything.
The fighter's reaction is obviously to claim a low blow. It's the smart response and Usyk is smart. He claimed plenty of them - some might have been, some I'm sure weren't low.
Then why didn't he grab his crotch while on the canvas. It looked more like the wind was knocked out of him more than anything. The punch landed on his belt line; Thereby rendering it a legal punch.
Also, I thought it was both a cowardly and tasteless display of unsportsmanlike conduct By Oleksandr; In a futile attempt to oversell a low blow in order to get Daniel Dubois disqualified.
He did that because he knew he was about to be counted out.
Was clearly a low blow, virtually all his glove is below the bottom of the waistband and you could tell from his reaction.
Once you get hit low like that you get the initial pain then it sort of goes numb and cold and it feels almost wet down there almost like you can feel blood/fluid, you can clearly see from his reaction he is experiencing this.
And lets not act like a good 5-6 shots didn't stray low that is no coincidence
He was sat on the floor holding his bladder area, not doubled over in pain from a “crushing body shot”.
Of course he could just be smart and knew how to fake it.
His arms were in a spasm on the floor, that would likely be down to trauma to organs from a body shot. You don't have to be hit directly in your organs to cause trauma, an 18 stone powerful man with a big glove hitting you in the stomach will shake up your internal organs..
Look at this photo, you could say that's after the shot landed. But the trajectory of Dubois arm wouldn't take it from a low blow to that. His arm is rigid and tense, and unless he has a rubber arm, it's unlikely his hand would end up where it goes on this photo if the point of impact was a clear low blow.
That shot is on the belt line, and legal. The line of Usyk's hips are clearly below the belt line.
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That's what kills the whole "debate" - you can't fake your reaction to a crushing body shot. So it wasn't that, Dubois wasn't robbed, he quit and wasn't even very good at using a bit of dirty boxing lol
He was sat on the floor holding his bladder area, not doubled over in pain from a “crushing body shot”.
Clearly looked like a reaction to a low blow.
That's what kills the whole "debate" - you can't fake your reaction to a crushing body shot. So it wasn't that, Dubois wasn't robbed, he quit and wasn't even very good at using a bit of dirty boxing lol