Charles Martin? Won the vacant IBF title in a freak incident when his opponent sustained a career-ending knee injury. Has only ever beaten domestic-level opposition. The definition of a paper champion.
Wladimir Klitschko? 41 years old, coming off 18 months of inactivity after losing his crown to Tyson Fury. For some reason, the WBA Super and IBO belts were also on the line.
Joseph Parker? Won the WBO title in what many (including me) would call a robbery, against Andy Ruiz Jr. Defended it against Razvan Cojanu, and in another contested decision against Hughie Fury, before facing AJ.
Does anybody rate these wins as top wins? Elite wins?
Is this one of the easiest paths ever found to unify a division?
this is a weak HW era, Martin is a joke, Vlad way past his prime and near retirement, Parker has shown he's average at best. I give credit to Hearn for matching the bodybuilder perfectly to maximize his earnings and building the myth(now shattered) that Joshua was some ATG talent. Joshua was always smoke and mirrors.
Charles Martin? Won the vacant IBF title in a freak incident when his opponent sustained a career-ending knee injury. Has only ever beaten domestic-level opposition. The definition of a paper champion.
Wladimir Klitschko? 41 years old, coming off 18 months of inactivity after losing his crown to Tyson Fury. For some reason, the WBA Super and IBO belts were also on the line.
Joseph Parker? Won the WBO title in what many (including me) would call a robbery, against Andy Ruiz Jr. Defended it against Razvan Cojanu, and in another contested decision against Hughie Fury, before facing AJ.
Does anybody rate these wins as top wins? Elite wins?
Is this one of the easiest paths ever found to unify a division?
Uhhhh…..who cares……not pertinent no more.
How exactly is Klitschko a great win for Fury, but a bad win for Joshua?
Parker would be Wilder`s best win ever.
At the end of the day, even Martin is not that bad. He gave a pretty tough test to young Anderson still.
That AJ best wins. An old fighter in his 40's, the no b@all Parker, and a top 20-30 ranked Martin.
But you are correct, Parker would be Wilder best win. At least Parker was Ring Magazine ranked when he fought AJ.
Enjoy the thread Hardcore Fury fans, go on try your best to assassinate Joshua's career.
Look at that guys ? There's ONE, TWO, THREE World & Elite level fights that Joshua has fought and won against THREE different opponents.
How many world level fighters has Tyson Fury at Heavyweight actually fought in against differing opponents? Three maybe? How is Tyson Fury's reign going right now guys?
It is not really going great is it? That is why hardcore Fury fans have to character assassinate every other Heavyweight fighter from this era to cope with being a hardcore Fury fan at this time.
Charles Martin: Joshua did what he had to do, he got the win 'And since that fight Martin has at-least proven that he is a solid Heavyweight.
Wladimir Kiltschko: Anthony Joshua fought Kiltschko, in his 19th professional fight. And lets get this right? That was the Wladimir Kiltschko who Tyson Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch. Tyson Fury fought Kiltschko 17 months prior to Joshua, not two years before like Fury's hardcore fans try and make out.
Kiltschko also was not inactive in the way, Fury's hardcore fans try there best to make out.
Wladimir Kiltschko had to endure three back to back training camps, due to Fury continually pulling out of their rematch unfortunately.
Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua 'Is the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'. Joshua in his 19th professional fight, on home turf in-front of 90'000 fans 'Was Subjected to a kind of pressure that I personally think was Unprecedented. Especially for a fighter who had pretty much zero experience at fighting at World or Elite level'.
Wladimir Kiltschko is the last great World Heavyweight Champion, right now? Boxing fans are starting to understand that. Kiltschko was a Champion, that did exactly what Champions should do? Take on all comers, and fight his nearest competition consistently.
Wladimir Kiltschko had never lost rematch in his career, so really we don't know how Kiltschko vs Fury II would of played out. All I know is this? Kiltschko had to endure 3 back to back training camps before fighting Joshua, Kiltschko was 240 pounds for Joshua '5 pounds lighter than when he fought Fury. then he was 245 pounds'.
Kiltschko in his own expert opinion was in better condition for the Joshua fight than Tyson Fury 'And in my opinion, from looking at all the evidence Joshua beat a better version of Kiltschko than Fury'.
Even still? I don't rate Joshua's win over Kiltschko as highly as Tyson Fury's. And this is because in terms of historical magnitude, Fury's win is greater 'Because it was a catalytic win, which altered the entire Heavyweight era'.
But people need to understand this about Anthony Joshua's win over Wladimir Kiltschko 'Tyson Fury did not retire Wladimir Kiltschko. The word that people use to describe Fury's win over Kiltschko is 'Schooled'.
And the reason why hardcore Fury fans use this word, is because I think 'That is the only word they can use'. Tyson Fury did not beat Wladimir Kiltschko up, Fury did not deck Kiltschko, and he did not knock Kiltschko out 'Fury won the fight with trickery'.
It was Anthony Joshua who beat Kiltschko up and knocked him out 'In the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years'.
Joshua's win vs Kiltschko is one of the greatest single wins of this Heavyweight era 'Only Tyson Fury himself has achieved greater wins'.
The Top 3 Greatest single Heavyweight wins of this era are 'Fury vs Kiltschko, Fury vs Wilder II, Joshua vs Kiltschko'.
Joseph Parker: This was a solid Championship win for Joshua, actually quite a efficient win. But I did think Joshua fought within himself offensively 'Overall it was a good Championship win against a then unbeaten Champion'.
All 3 were ranked by The Ring top 10 when AJ fought them.
Wladimir was recognised number 1 at the start of the year as Fury had retired.
Basically, in hindsight, you don't rate them - probably because you are a fan of Fury who has never unified.
AJs Wlad win is great it's not that it's a bad win. It's just Fury doing it in Germany as an underdog an active Wlad and 11 year champ 19 defences putting an end to that is a bigger achievement.
Parker would not be Wilder best win the guys fights have mostly been awful. Ortiz win is better and even Stiverne 1 is better. People remember Stiverne 2 but Stiverne when he was world champ was rated as one of the top heavyweights
Thats hilarious. Wilder went life n death with the ol cuban and stiverne never been sh.it in the division.
How exactly is Klitschko a great win for Fury, but a bad win for Joshua?
Parker would be Wilder`s best win ever.
At the end of the day, even Martin is not that bad. He gave a pretty tough test to young Anderson still.
AJs Wlad win is great it's not that it's a bad win. It's just Fury doing it in Germany as an underdog an active Wlad and 11 year champ 19 defences putting an end to that is a bigger achievement.
Parker would not be Wilder best win the guys fights have mostly been awful. Ortiz win is better and even Stiverne 1 is better. People remember Stiverne 2 but Stiverne when he was world champ was rated as one of the top heavyweights
The Wlad win was pretty decent still, but Wlad was in his 40s and inactive and taken to school by Fury in his previous fight. But I'd still say it was a pretty good win.
Parker was never good, look at his title reign, absolutely stinking performance going 12 with Cojanu. Arguably lost to Hughie Fury. He dined out on beating Andy Ruiz, flat out the most overrated fighter out there. AJ should be ashamed he lost to Ruiz, he has been crap in pretty much every other fight. Ruiz and Parker are both C level fighters, hence their close fight.
Yeah, nothing worth mentioning about Charles Martin. The fact he can say he's been heavyweight champion of the world is really just highlighting how much of a joke boxing is when it comes to titles. If I was Charles Martin, i'd probably be embarrassed to tell people I was Heavyweight Champion of the World in case they looked me up and realize I won via a leg injury and then basically looked for the floor in the next fight and sold my belt.
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To be honest, almost any semi decent heavyweight would have become world champion if they were given Joshua's route to his first belt. I'm not saying they would have gone on to unify, but give any fighter like Dubois or someone along those lines AJ's route up to Charles Martin and he would be able to be a world champion.
Despite the age, him beating Wlad was impressive at the time. Not only did he win, but it was how he won that caught my attention.
He dug deep and overcame adversity against his toughest foe to date. Joshua was different back then.
Besides Martin, those are top tier wins over then highly rated fighters. Klitscko for instance, would’ve slept Wilder, easily. This forum used to suck Parker’s dick about his awesome handspeed and “power”. But now it also goes in the completely opposite direction, acting like he was a bum. A bum is Martin. Guy sucks.
But he still gave Anderson a good test.
Besides Martin, those are top tier wins over then highly rated fighters. Klitscko for instance, would’ve slept Wilder, easily. This forum used to suck Parker’s dick about his awesome handspeed and “power”. But now it also goes in the completely opposite direction, acting like he was a bum. A bum is Martin. Guy sucks.
Parker brought the fear out in AJ before Ruiz exposed it fully.
The pleading vacant look in Joshua's eyes as the ref broke Parker up from fighting inside said it all.
In a rematch these days. Kronk style Parker would flatten AJ.
How exactly is Klitschko a great win for Fury, but a bad win for Joshua?
Parker would be Wilder`s best win ever.
At the end of the day, even Martin is not that bad. He gave a pretty tough test to young Anderson still.
To be fair how many "elite" wins were actually out there to be had back then? before Fury returned and Usyk came up the only opponent people could really put above the guys AJ fought was Wilder.
You have to give Matchroom credit for how well they navigated Joshua’s career pre-Ruiz.
Martin was garbage but had a belt, Wlad was well past it but carried name value and that created a great event at Wembley. Parker was a pretty good win I thought, undefeated champion who unlike Martin actually had some credibility. I think that’s AJ’s best win. None of them are elite wins by any stretch though.