Anyone really thinks AJ can beat wilder?

You make a fair point about Fury leaning his weight on Wilder to help tire him, Joshua certainly won't be doing anything like that. I just feel like the Wilder we see in his highlight reel KOs is a misleading image. It was pretty alarming to me just how easily Fury was able to dictate the terms of the fight and largely contain Wilder's output for long periods just by offsetting him with the jab. His ring IQ is remarkably poor for a boxer of this level. I know the prevailing theory is that Joshua has regressed over time (at least in terms of overall effectiveness), but he's undoubtedly a far better boxer now than he used to be. If you look at his fight with Dillian Whyte compared to now it really is night and day. The "old Joshua" with his killer instinct and gung-ho style would probably have fared better versus Usyk, but I'm actually not so sure he would have against Wilder. Wilder's skill level has always come into question, largely because he forgot his form and sometimes resorted to amateurish flailing and windmilling. But if you noticed during the fights vs Fury, he didn't do that. And despite what appears to be a lack of skill and technique, he must have some in order to land that big right hand. After all, it's one thing to have a monster punch, it's another thing to be able to land it. And let's not forget that Fury is a pretty good technical fighter and is remarkably fast and agile for a man of his immense size. So, it's easy to see how he out-boxed Deontay. I agree that Joshua is a more technically sound boxer than Wilder, but because of Deontay's relentless nature and that right hand, it won't be enough. Anthony tried to out-box a technically superior Usyk and failed, but going all out may not have worked either and likely won't work vs Wilder. I think Derek James needs to somehow get AJ to develop a hybrid style, which combines smart boxing with vicious attacks when the opportunity is there. Perhaps a smoother, more slick version of Wladimir Klitschko. He was chinny too, but Emmanuel Steward taught him to protect that chin and set up vicious jabs, hooks and right crosses.

i did a few years ago when fight was first talked about but not now wilder by big ko now

I wouldn't say he's faster than Wilder I'd say Wilder has faster feet and faster power punches and can also slip punches quicker too Wilder will see a right hand and throw it quicker than joshua too ,he pulls the trigger when he sees and opening too Joshua's only chance is to get into that medium range and throw 5 to 6 punch combos which will be extremely dangerous for him to get into that range and I doubt he'd take that risk,he will try and box Wilder Wilder will absolutely throw the shot when he sees it. But he misses as many as he lands... and on occasions exposes himself massively. That may well be Joshua's chance because I agree with you - I just don't see him stepping to Wilder. Lots of ways this fight can end.

Fury may not seem like a big puncher for his size but he is very strong. He leaned that huge body on Wilder and man-handled him when they were in close quarters. And since going to Kronk gym, he's learned how to put his natural weight and power behind his punches. Also, when Wilder knocked him down, he got back up. Other opponents didn't. Wilder was afraid for good reason. Joshua may be able to outbox Deontay, but if he gets hit with that big right hand, it may be curtains. AJ needs that killer instinct back in order to stop WIlder. Without it, he's a dead man. You make a fair point about Fury leaning his weight on Wilder to help tire him, Joshua certainly won't be doing anything like that. I just feel like the Wilder we see in his highlight reel KOs is a misleading image. It was pretty alarming to me just how easily Fury was able to dictate the terms of the fight and largely contain Wilder's output for long periods just by offsetting him with the jab. His ring IQ is remarkably poor for a boxer of this level. I know the prevailing theory is that Joshua has regressed over time (at least in terms of overall effectiveness), but he's undoubtedly a far better boxer now than he used to be. If you look at his fight with Dillian Whyte compared to now it really is night and day. The "old Joshua" with his killer instinct and gung-ho style would probably have fared better versus Usyk, but I'm actually not so sure he would have against Wilder.

I wouldn't say he's faster than Wilder I'd say Wilder has faster feet and faster power punches and can also slip punches quicker too Wilder will see a right hand and throw it quicker than joshua too ,he pulls the trigger when he sees and opening too Joshua's only chance is to get into that medium range and throw 5 to 6 punch combos which will be extremely dangerous for him to get into that range and I doubt he'd take that risk,he will try and box Wilder I see what you're saying and in a scrum Wilder does have fast hands but from a standing start he's not set and ready to throw. A timely jab keeps him constantly resetting. In baseball terminology, he's got a hitch in his swing. Joshua is better fundamentally and physically he's locked and loaded, mentally, maybe not so much anymore.

AJ is more skilled and has fast hands. I favor AJ to win but even Fury that is bigger and a better boxer got put down on the canvass 4 times. This fight captures the imagination and should get done

:luvbed: - - Soft lads turning down career purses vs AJ…only in soft lad heaven… Joshua turned down Fury a few months ago which Hearn/Joshua both admitted to but i'm sure you have an excuse ready to go. AJ fans are very emotional i think they more into his looks than his boxing why most of his fans are female it's very sus. Take the emotion out of it and think logically from a boxing perspective, there is a reason your opinion is the minority around here.

Though Joshua's performance on Saturday night didn't exactly fill me with confidence I still fancy him to beat Wilder, always have. People tend to get a bit too enamoured by Wilder's highlight reel one-punch KOs and overlook the fact that in between those brief moments, he really isn't very good. While I do agree Joshua's confidence isn't there anymore, Wilder also fights scared. In fact it often seems like he's fighting on pure nervous energy. There were times during the Fury fights when he looked positively terrified, and Fury isn't even a puncher. Not to mention he's only one fight (round, even) removed from suffering the most brutal beating of his career, one that had him mulling retirement and openly voicing his concerns of incurring brain damage from boxing. Who knows where his head is really at. I give Wilder a puncher's chance but that's it. I think Joshua stops him. Fury may not seem like a big puncher for his size but he is very strong. He leaned that huge body on Wilder and man-handled him when they were in close quarters. And since going to Kronk gym, he's learned how to put his natural weight and power behind his punches. Also, when Wilder knocked him down, he got back up. Other opponents didn't. Wilder was afraid for good reason. Joshua may be able to outbox Deontay, but if he gets hit with that big right hand, it may be curtains. AJ needs that killer instinct back in order to stop WIlder. Without it, he's a dead man.

:luvbed: Yeah because Wilder and Fury are clearly known for being soft with weak chins who can’t take a punch… oh no that’s actually AJ who has that reputation but keep on with your nonsense. - - Soft lads turning down career purses vs AJ…only in soft lad heaven…

Though Joshua's performance on Saturday night didn't exactly fill me with confidence I still fancy him to beat Wilder, always have. People tend to get a bit too enamoured by Wilder's highlight reel one-punch KOs and overlook the fact that in between those brief moments, he really isn't very good. While I do agree Joshua's confidence isn't there anymore, Wilder also fights scared. In fact it often seems like he's fighting on pure nervous energy. There were times during the Fury fights when he looked positively terrified, and Fury isn't even a puncher. Not to mention he's only one fight (round, even) removed from suffering the most brutal beating of his career, one that had him mulling retirement and openly voicing his concerns of incurring brain damage from boxing. Who knows where his head is really at. I give Wilder a puncher's chance but that's it. I think Joshua stops him.

If Wilder just touches AJ early, there's no way he goes into the fire and slug one out. He'll be going backward all night, and you just can't beat Wilder doing that. AJ could outbox Wilder, but he's going to have to pitch an absolute shutout.

The only way AJ beats Wilder is if he does the "Jab and grab" the entire fight

No. Joshua doesn't move his head or his feet. He just stands there in his guard. Wilder will take his head off. You have to move your head and your feet, step to Wilder, and catch him in between his shots. If you fight him scared the way Joshua does your head will end up in the 10th row. Sounds like another Derrick James fighter who just recently fought lol. I could see Wilder knocking out AJ with a jab lol

No, because AJ no longer puts his combination punches together. He is going to need them if he is going to defeat Deontay Wilder. One punch at a time is not going to get it done. Anthony Joshua isn't and never has been a one punch knockout artist but Deontay Wilder is.

- - Already 2-0 vs both soft boys who twice turned down career purses to fight each there for peanuts. Hey, it OK U soft lad in love with fellow soft fighters. Embrace it to follow U beating bleating heart… Yeah because Wilder and Fury are clearly known for being soft with weak chins who can’t take a punch… oh no that’s actually AJ who has that reputation but keep on with your nonsense.

Turned who into soft lads? AJ fans are the ones so emotionally invested in him they twist narratives and make up stuff to defend him. AJ looks terrible these days and loses to both Fury/Wilder deal with it. - - Already 2-0 vs both soft boys who twice turned down career purses to fight each there for peanuts. Hey, it OK U soft lad in love with fellow soft fighters. Embrace it to follow U beating bleating heart…

I don't think anyone really believes the first Fury-Wilder bout was a legitimate draw, and it's not much of a feat to "at least" draw with a man who then KO'd you twice afterwards. They share, I believe, only three common opponents, and it's not true that Wilder did better on all occasions - AJ made much easier work of Eric Molina. Regardless, such matters aren't terribly important, as triangular logic means nothing in boxing. What is your acertion here? That styles make fights? That anyone "really believing the first Fury-Wilder bout was a legitimate draw" holds any meaning? (It WAS a draw, and the damage was all one-way), Or that you think that Joshua should be favored against Wilder in January? In any event, it may be your summation of the Fury - Wilder trilogy skims over the element that serves as the headline, that in two of those fights Wilder FOUR TIMES came within a referee's call of scoring a knockout. We would not want to imply any narrative that excludes the piece where Tyson Fury survived by a wisper. These fights were epics, not beatings. (Save for Wilder's off-night in fight 2). Taking longer to get rid of "stay-sharp" opponent Eric Molina notwithstanding, in aggregate Wilder's simply done better against their sampling of common opponents.

Who cares? I want to see this fight. The build up will be tastey. I doubt Wilder will do a FaceOff on Sky though, after Fury gave him an exorcism

Did i just see two guys in this thread post pictures of other people claiming it was actually them? Are you guys serious? Lmao I was clearly taking the piss and got that picture off google like i would post my pic on here lmao dunno if that pic is actually him though nor do i care.

Yep because Wilder is actually one cashing out just like Spence and Jermell. If he wanted to fight, he could have fought Ruiz. Guarantee he is going to say, I don't need a tune up. Amazing how an active fighter like AJ is the one who is cashing out. You have to wonder about boxing fans. AJ 6-8 stoppage. Wilder has no jab like Hellboy, just stand around waiting for a rusty right hand while AJ pieces him up with combos till a stoppage.