Let's End This Debate: Was Spence 100% or Was Crawford Just Superior In Everyway?

I've been going back and forth with how Crawford's win over Spence should be viewed and rated. On the one hand, I feel as though Crawford put on a masterclass of a performance. And on the other hand, just being objective, I can tell that something was drastically wrong with Spence, even before he entered the ring. Let's just look at the difference between the ring walks: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IFXeUwO992M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccnqq3u8UeQ As you can see, Spence looked much more energized and "fuller" during the Ugas ring walk compared to his ring walk against Crawford. Now, I do not know what caused this. Maybe it was the weight cut, maybe it was the long layoff, or maybe there is something else going on with him that is associated with the accident. But one thing is for certain, that Errol Spence that went against Crawford was not 100 percent. Now, I’m not making excuses and I’m not trying to take away from Crawford’s greatness. Crawford is a special fighter and maybe a generational talent but name a performance from Crawford where he looked that dominant. No, seriously? One-legged Benavidez, out-the-door Shawn Porter, Kava, and Jeff Horn all did better than Spence. Does that not look suspicious to you? Guys who are a level or two below Spence were more competitive. Now, there are rumors that Crawford may have been juiced (his affiliation with Victor Conte doesn’t help his image.) but I am of the position that most top athletes are on PEDs (Yes, even your favorite boxer.) I’ve gone back and looked at all of Spence’s fights at 147 and all of Crawford’s and this fight just screams, “suspicious”. There are a lot of experts in the boxing community who are saying the same thing. So, what side of the fence do you stand on? Was Crawford just levels above Spence or was Spence not 100%? I personally think Spence was just weight-drained but I could be wrong. Note: I wouldn't be asking this question if it was competitive during the early rounds and Crawford came back and got a decision or TKO in the end.

Comments (20)

Yes, its obvious he wasn't 100%, he has false teeth for crying out loud. It's clear both his brain and body still has lingering effects from the accident. Also, the fact that Crawford looked bigger than Spence tells you Spence has been at 147 too long. I predicted Crawford winning even before the accident, but started rooting for Spence since he went out of his way to make the fight, but still had Crawford winning due to the accident. Spence didn't look the same since the accident, he was extra cautious against Danny Garcia, but his athleticism and high-output jab was enough to beat flat-footed Danny. Ugas punching power is probably comparable to Shawn Porter's, yet Spence got dazed by Ugas and not noticeably by Porter. LMAO. He suffered zero fractures, broken bones, and had no concussion from the accident. Post accident he took heavy shots from garcia and walked right through them. He never got dazed by Ugas. Watch epligoue. He said he looked down because he thought his mouthpiece fell and ugas caught him with a shot. He wasn't hurt at all. He laughed at the shot.

2y ago

Roadblock

It is funny how much of a bandwagon jumper you people are. A year or so ago you people were saying Crawford was overrated and he hasn't fought anybody. He beats a broken down Spence Jr and you act like Crawford is a living legend. The funny part about it is that's the same for all elites that make it, half said he was overrated, the other half said he was great, which half were you on? right now he looks real and with a few more big fights he could be a living legend, boxing is one sport a BSer cannot fake it.

2y ago

shawnkemp804

2y ago

pacfan0841

Question is, will he be 100% in the rematch at 154? I believe so.

2y ago

Roadblock

I blame Al Haymon for selling him out. Why do you need to blame anybody, everybody concerned knows what they were doing saying yes, its like an F1 racecar it doesn't take much to upset the balance, its more a case of lots of little mistakes by many people than one person carrying it all, Team Spence lost if they fight a rematch they get a chance to correct their mistakes, this is what top-level competition is all about, I don't have a problem with any of it, the best fighter won and the other guy was not his best, same result in the rematch I feel only Spence will be more durable.

2y ago

Roadblock

You're right. Let me repeat. Terence Bud Crawford won because he was the overall better fighter and athlete that night. Thats true but it doesn't mean Spence was 100%, it can be both.

2y ago

Sheldon312

IMO, Spence definitely was not 100 percent. Not saying he would have beat Crawford if he was, but Spence was a shell of a fighter that night. I'm not sure he'll ever be world class again. I blame Al Haymon for selling him out.

2y ago

Sheldon312

Yes, its obvious he wasn't 100%, he has false teeth for crying out loud. It's clear both his brain and body still has lingering effects from the accident. Also, the fact that Crawford looked bigger than Spence tells you Spence has been at 147 too long. I predicted Crawford winning even before the accident, but started rooting for Spence since he went out of his way to make the fight, but still had Crawford winning due to the accident. Spence didn't look the same since the accident, he was extra cautious against Danny Garcia, but his athleticism and high-output jab was enough to beat flat-footed Danny. Ugas punching power is probably comparable to Shawn Porter's, yet Spence got dazed by Ugas and not noticeably by Porter. I noticed the same thing when I went back to watch the fights

2y ago

real_raw

IMO, Spence definitely was not 100 percent. Not saying he would have beat Crawford if he was, but Spence was a shell of a fighter that night. I'm not sure he'll ever be world class again.

2y ago

w1cked

With that said, Crawford could probably still beat a 100% Spence, but it would have been a much better fight than what we got. This should be a lesson that marinating is stupid, and once there are 4 champions inside a division then unifications should start happening immediately.

2y ago

w1cked

2y ago

champion4ever

He looked the same in the garcia fight post accident the same way he did pre accident with porter You're right. Let me repeat. Terence Bud Crawford won because he was the overall better fighter and athlete that night.

2y ago

nghtmr111

Extremely big Spence fan. I simply accept Crawford's victory. If 147 was too difficult, if there are issues with Spence, they shouldn't have taken the fight. They signed the contract. I don't want to hear any BS now. We gotta simply move on and accept the outcome.

2y ago

JOITATS

It's obvious, Spence was damaged goods. No one can be 100% after a life threatening car accident, detached retina, more boxing wars after that. The man has gone through some serious brain traumas. The Spence team has to know that to a certain extent. Maybe that's why the fight happened so much later than it was supposed to. I don't know, but whatever it was, Spence was not the same P4P top guy, as perceived before the accident.

2y ago

El_Mero

Debate was ended when spence and crawf made no excuses and Spence was dominated. fcuk the haters. At 154, if Spence is foolish to want a rematch, itll happen again, haters be damned.

2y ago

satiev1

So what is your story? That Yordenis Ugas and Danny Garcia are better than Bud Crawford? If you read my original post; I've said that Spence was healthy enough to clear medical waivers. However, and at the same time one cannot convince me that someone could go through an ordeal like that. (The car accidents and the detached retina) and still come out as the same fighter. Yes, he was a healthy enough to fight on fight night but he was not the same physically as when he fought Kell Brook and Shawn Porter. Besides, he would have lost to Terence Crawford anyhow. All I am saying is that those accidents had damaged and slowed him down. The man hasn't fought but three times in four years. In addition, he was coming off a fifteen month layoff too. That is in no way throwing shade at Crawford. All I am saying that it played a factor in his losing to Bud Crawford but not the sole reason. Terence would have won the fight anyway because is the better athlete and fighter. He looked the same in the garcia fight post accident the same way he did pre accident with porter

2y ago

sargo

Both. Fact is some of Crawford’s previous opponents did better.

2y ago

Roadblock

No man in boxing goes into a fight 100%, especially past the age of 25. You got old injuries, nagging pains, messed up rotator cuff, knee pain, whatever. You go into the ring on fight night and you win or you lose. That's it. Crawford was the better man, period. There is nothing else to add. We have all seen guys with those injuries win big fights, rarely, I cant remember any to be honest that won if drained, they normally get run over, Oscar LaLonde Dawson, this was that kind of beating, its not an excuse or saying Spence wins, its just saying he may have done better than he did from being more durable, Spence doesn't have the boxing skills or speed to beat TC.

2y ago

paulf

2y ago

Sheldon312

Even if spence was a 100%, he wouldn't beat crawford even at 154 ibs. Crawford read through him like a book, countered everything he threw. How do we know when Spence was not healthy

2y ago