Before he jumped up 2 divisions and held his chin out for Tito this guy was walking through some of the most vicious counter uppercuts in a welterweight fight in the first Forrest fight. He never showed vulnerability to the head at that weight and was durable up to 160. He never beat elite fighters but he always gave them a varying degree of difficulty and made them have to deal with his awkward movement.
I wouldn't be surprised if Crawford starts swinging mean and wild early like Forrest did in retaliation. Could Mayorga take those shots, walk past those shots, offer anything back? He'd honestly have his best chance if Crawford sticks around in orthodox as he clearly couldn't figure out Spinks who was more imposed on than Crawford ever would be. I don't think Mayorga would ever win a UD so the best he could do is what he did to Forrest.
People judge Mayorga after jumping 2 weights and getting thrashed by Trinidad. He also lost to Corey Spinks but that was a partied out Mayorga.
mayorga was a beast at 147 and a difficult fight for anybody. He had an indestructible chin at 147 and ridiculous strength.
bud is amazing but not invincible. Mayorga gives him a tough fight regardless.
Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. Sure Crawford hasn't put anyone away inside 4 rounds. Fair enough. But he sure did come *very close* to putting Spence away in the 2nd round of their fight. And he also stopped Shawn Porter in his previous fight at WW. Porter had never previously been stopped.
Was Mayorga isnanely durable? Of course. I just can't see him eating flush shots from T.C. the way he looked against Spence. You're also neglecting to mention two other things here, that would make Mayorga susceptible to someone like Bud; 1)His very loose defense. Sure he could take a shot, but he got hit WAY more than he should have. And 2) His absolutely atrocious footwork.
If you don't think Bud would exploit these two things, you're dead wrong. Oscar had him on the deck in the first! Sure, that fight was @ 154lbs, but it was down to technique.
Sure, Mayorga was insanely tough. Nobody could ever dispute that much. But against a fighter like Bud, that's not going to be enough. His lack of professionalism/ability would be exploited very quickly. If Mayorga made it past 6 rounds with Bud, I would be shocked.
That's all reasonable. The only real connection between Mayorga and Crawford is the sparring between Mosley and Porter. Even after retiring after a long career and coming back, Mosley still had enough strength and pop to send Porter stumbling during sparring. It isn't a real fight but we know Mosley had limited success pushing Mayorga around when they did fight and was loading up on short right hands that he was walking through. This Porter was more fit than the Crawford version and that Mosley was way below the "washed up" Mosley that looked awkward against Mayorga. That version of Mayorga was way past his prime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrgJyRH_6cYcY
It's more likely that Mayorga does what Cooper did to Holyfield and catch Crawford with a good shot off a weird angle on the side of the temple or the chin that disorients him early on. Then Crawford would recollect and break a slower Mayorga down into later rounds before winding up. Mayorga was heavy handed so that's why his punches knocked so many fighters off balance.
Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. Sure Crawford hasn't put anyone away inside 4 rounds. Fair enough. But he sure did come *very close* to putting Spence away in the 2nd round of their fight. And he also stopped Shawn Porter in his previous fight at WW. Porter had never previously been stopped.
Was Mayorga isnanely durable? Of course. I just can't see him eating flush shots from T.C. the way he looked against Spence. You're also neglecting to mention two other things here, that would make Mayorga susceptible to someone like Bud; 1)His very loose defense. Sure he could take a shot, but he got hit WAY more than he should have. And 2) His absolutely atrocious footwork.
If you don't think Bud would exploit these two things, you're dead wrong. Oscar had him on the deck in the first! Sure, that fight was @ 154lbs, but it was down to technique.
Sure, Mayorga was insanely tough. Nobody could ever dispute that much. But against a fighter like Bud, that's not going to be enough. His lack of professionalism/ability would be exploited very quickly. If Mayorga made it past 6 rounds with Bud, I would be shocked.
If ODH stopped him mid-fight in 2006, Crawford gets him out of there no later than the 4th round at WW.
Not a single top fighter stopped Mayorga in 4 or less. Margarito who went the distance with Pacquiao was knocked around the ring by Mosley TKO9. Mayorga was 1 second from the distance before the perfect finisher left hook, which followed up a very well placed rabbit punch.
Turn off the emotions for a second: other than the guy with two broken eye sockets, what big name did Crawford ice in 4? Spence/Gamboa/Benavidez/Porter were all almost at championship round stoppages. Mayorga is more durable than all of those names and he had impressive stamina for being a smoker.
It's more likely that Mayorga does what Cooper did to Holyfield and catch Crawford with a good shot off a weird angle on the side of the temple or the chin that disorients him early on. Then Crawford would recollect and break a slower Mayorga down into later rounds before winding up. Mayorga was heavy handed so that's why his punches knocked so many fighters off balance.
He'd get pieced up and stopped.
I loved Mayorga, he was entertaining and a complete fucking headcase. But he was way too wild and sloppy for someone at Buds level.
To beat a crafty counter puncher you need to make it awkward. Prime Mayorga and (to add) Maidana had that awkward approach, throwing punches from everywhere hitting shoulders, forearms, biceps etc. Id favor Bud against a Mayorga or Maidana but these guys had more than a punchers chance.
This. Bud wins but honestly mayorga is more successful than pure boxers. think about it, crawford is a master boxer if you try to outbox him you get schooled you cant do that better than him but you come in wild with odd angles and all that it will turn it into a sloppy fight. This is also why say emmanual agustus gave people such hard fights, he was just a weird fighter and very durable. mayorga does better than spence, khan, brook, those types.
Dont forget mayorga gave Trinidad free shots, the guy has a chin, yeah he was stopped by tito and DLH but they had to give him a prolonged beating.
Mayorga made a lucrative career out of looking very good (and entertaining) against Forrest, and then getting beat up by the top tier. He'd have done terribly against Crawford.
They said Mosley was a special talent too at that moment and at this moment I think prime Mosley will be rated higher than prime Spence - he had to take that beating too. Mosley was prime with little wear and always tough so he got to a UD. Forrest looked like a special talent legitimately for at least a little bit.
The perception of Crawford as a special talent must not be based on the lone Spence fight, but on his overall value as a fighter.
Then again, it happens that every great fighter has his bête noire. Forrest was for Mosley, Mayorga was for Forrest. Or, if you will, Holyfield was for Tyson. Sometimes it just works that way.
All things considered, Mayorga happened to hit the jackpot with Forrest. After that, he lost to practically everybody, except a shot fernando Vargas.
Before he jumped up 2 divisions and held his chin out for Tito this guy was walking through some of the most vicious counter uppercuts in a welterweight fight in the first Forrest fight. He never showed vulnerability to the head at that weight and was durable up to 160. He never beat elite fighters but he always gave them a varying degree of difficulty and made them have to deal with his awkward movement.
I wouldn't be surprised if Crawford starts swinging mean and wild early like Forrest did in retaliation. Could Mayorga take those shots, walk past those shots, offer anything back? He'd honestly have his best chance if Crawford sticks around in orthodox as he clearly couldn't figure out Spinks who was more imposed on than Crawford ever would be. I don't think Mayorga would ever win a UD so the best he could do is what he did to Forrest.
Who cares…………..Mayorga proved to be NOTHING against REAL fighters.
A lil better than Spence did thats for sure
Spence was hurt by Crawford's uppercuts, but if he was Mayorga's position and walked straight into that he wouldn't have shrugged it off like Mayorga did.
Mayorga was fun to watch, but not elite — Crawford by KO. I’m reminded of those days when the welterweight division was so much better. Good match-ups were a common thing. Now it seems like we wait years for a big fight.
He would have been both surgically and tactically dissected by Bud Crawford. Unlike, the Matrix; Crawford downloads his data at a very high speed rate.