Fuck the light heavyweight division

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Fan of Bivol and Beterbiev but it's 2023 and only one has defended their titles once. These guys have been champions since 2017. Promoters are pushing for undisputed. Fans are barely pushing for undisputed. **** em. Don't need em.Well one would have to blame the sanctioning bodies and the promoters; Namely Mauricio Suilaman and Bob Arum who refuse to pit those two together.

Bivol and Beterbiev held titles in the same division longer than Spence and Crawford. If Bivol was with Top Rank and Beterbiev was with PBC and picked up all the titles the way he did with Bivol being the last one he needed to fight people would cry.

"Small money" likely still 10x more then he is going to make elsewhere. Look at him now 0 fights in 2023 and cannot find a credible opponent. See? Exactly my point. Let me know when Canelo finds a credible opponent, because he hasn't had one since getting washed by Bivol.

They've had titles since 2017. 100% they can put their foot down and demand that the people they pay make the fights they want. Titles don’t mean anything to a promoter. It would mean something when negotiating with other fighters. You have zero leverage with a promoter. Fighters come and go. It’s all about money, how much money you can generate as a boxer. That is what leverage you can use over a promoter.

Same money, weight, concessions, etc. as the first fight. Thats a plain duck. For over a decade Canelo groupies "Take the fight! It's your chance, if you beat him you get the big money in the rematch!" Bivol beats Canelo "No, not like that. Take the small money again." "Small money" likely still 10x more then he is going to make elsewhere. Look at him now 0 fights in 2023 and cannot find a credible opponent.

Where is your thread about F*** the MW division as Charlo holds his belt hostage for over two years now? Where was this thread when Stevenson was avoiding the best at 175? I've made tons of complaints about the middleweight division. It isn't my fault you only notice when Eastern Bloc fighters get criticism.

Where is your thread about F*** the MW division as Charlo holds his belt hostage for over two years now? Where was this thread when Stevenson was avoiding the best at 175?

There was an offer. Bivols team didn't accept the same terms they said themselves. Same money, weight, concessions, etc. as the first fight. Thats a plain duck. For over a decade Canelo groupies "Take the fight! It's your chance, if you beat him you get the big money in the rematch!" Bivol beats Canelo "No, not like that. Take the small money again."

Blaming the fighters as usual... the only blame one should ascribe to the fighters is making these horrid contracts that control their careers. If both these men got on a few podcasts, maybe did some WWf type promotion, and fans, even casuals learned how good they are, they could make their own fight with a few well paid social media advisors. They would make a fortune. When Dante, copied Oyama, and went down State street with a Bull he claimed he was going to destroy with one shot, he knew he would be asrrested before he ever got a chance to harm the bull. years back Oyama had just weakened one of the bulls horns by cutting into it and did a shuto to chop it off, same idea... It created a buzz! People got interested fast.

There was an offer. Bivols team didn't accept the same terms they said themselves. The lowball offer, the oldest ducking trick in the book then? anybody can make an offer, doesn't mean you actually have to sign. you can always find a way out of a fight if you don't really want to. Canelo doesn't really want it, that's become evident for a long time but he has to save face and act like he wants a rematch because he got his arse handed to him but he doesn't. I bet the negotiations didnt last long. This is how it went.... Canelo's team offer the same terms knowing Bivol's team want a better deal as the winner, so Bivol's team try to negotiate a deal and that's enough of an excuse for Canelo to run in another direction and pretended he tried to make the fight. You're not that naive are you? It's Canelo's loss to avenge. If he really wanted to do that, they could easily come up with a deal that satisfies everyone.

Ok but why aren't the fighters putting their foot down, demanding the fight be made? I don't like clique but sometimes a clique is perfect so forgive me when I say "It is the Matrix." Specifically it is an invisible form of delusion and control... Believe it or not, Karl Marx was the first to talk about it... The control over our means, the power we give a class of individuals... Mammoth, if tomorrow every boxer got together, agreed to hols their contracts in abeyance, until terms were agreed upon to terminate, and proceeded to make fights, use social media to promote, use the blue print of the Paul Brothers... two average joes, who are barely professional level fighters... and make lots of money... If fans knew their fighter was getting the money! etc. Fighters, like most individuals GIVE their power away. Forget even Jake Paul LOOK at Floyd's situation! He left his vampire Arum, and took off... Arum couldn't get Floyd a money fight to save his life! People also forget in the MATRIX lol. Floyd was not a big money fighter til when he fought De La Hoya leaving Bob the vulture.

They've had titles since 2017. 100% they can put their foot down and demand that the people they pay make the fights they want. Bivol tried to make it He went to DAZN when Beterbiev was there to try and make the fight and then Beterbiev quickly left DAZN soon after. Now he's happy for his promoter Arum to say he's not interested in making the fight. I like Beterbiev but hes not that interested in a Bivol fight. Just like Kovalev dismissed the idea of fighting Bivol years ago. The Russians already know what the Mexicans found out. Bivol is very hard to beat...

Lol you're pinning it on Bivol? there was no rematch offer. Get it into your brain that Canelo NEVVERRR wanted a rematch. He fought GGG instead, then Ryder and let his rematch clause expire. Canelo was never ever ever taking a rematch because he knows he can't win, it's a simple as that. You could have offered him any split and he wouldn't take it, that was obvious because he kept fighting everybody else instead of exercising the rematch clause when he had and let it run out. There was an offer. Bivols team didn't accept the same terms they said themselves.

Beterbievs next fight is Jan. Same month he turns 39 years old. Bivol is lost. MR have no one to give him. Their plan and Bivols teams plan was holding out on the 2nd Canelo cheque. But they got big for their boots and didn't realise they can't demand anything from Canelo he is A side vs anyone and has options everyone wants him. Should have accepted the first offer they got. Lol you're pinning it on Bivol? there was no rematch offer. Get it into your brain that Canelo NEVVERRR wanted a rematch. He fought GGG instead, then Ryder and let his rematch clause expire. Canelo was never ever ever taking a rematch because he knows he can't win, it's a simple as that. You could have offered him any split and he wouldn't take it, that was obvious because he kept fighting everybody else instead of exercising the rematch clause when he had and let it run out.

Bivol can make his last fight with Matchroom then leave. We hold everybody else to a high standard but when two old ass Russians have titles we gotta consider the sides of the streets? Fuck off with that. Start demanding this fight as fight fans. Don't give me that shit about politics. Half of you guys were willing to call everybody a duck over anything before.

Do their contracts allow them to just leave? I think you’re really thinking like a straight up fan here, you’re really not taking contracts into consideration. They've had titles since 2017. 100% they can put their foot down and demand that the people they pay make the fights they want.

WBC has been blocking it. Ideally they drop belts and fight anyways, but that hasn't happened since Tarver/Johnson Just make the fight anyway. Have it not on the line for Bivol. Nobody cares.

Damn shame Bivol is barely fighting, man is in his prime and we need to see him out as often as we can, even if it is against lesser opponents while he waits til the promotional shite is sorted.

Beterbiev is almost 40. He needs to make Arum make the fight or leave. Same with Bivol. Do their contracts allow them to just leave? I think you’re really thinking like a straight up fan here, you’re really not taking contracts into consideration. We all want the fight, but we all know Arum blocks fights. Even his own fights like Gamboa vs JuanMa Lopez.