What was Nate supposed to do?

Good points. In this case bad habits are relative lol. Thai fighters do transition fairly well. Pacman fights a lot like a Thai fighter... quick off the main fighting line. MMA fighters do have the smaller gloves and when gloves got bigger in boxing punching dynamics changed a lot. Its a topic onto itself, but a lot is lost, and changes because of how power is transferred. you lose the direct transmission with big gloves, so instead one must really swing the arms hard with the trunk muscles. With smaller gloves, accuracy, like with a forward lead, allowed one much more success. The idea was essentially to keep the structure right, so the hands did not break, and the mechanics allowed one to target the chin tip, the jawline, ther plexus with straight shots, and the ribs with the hook. I often think MMA guys could learn a lot watching the fighters prior to the Dempsey era. The mechanics are more in line with punching with smaller gloves and more distance is created which would help with take downs, except of course the back leg was used a lot more back then which MMA guys don't like to do (takedowns). It's more the defensive problems, not the striking prowess, IMO. That's why they usually get knocked out. Like, head movement is very different in any sport that involves kicks, because you can try to be evasive with your head to avoid punches and put your head right into a kick. I actually accidentally nearly knocked a former golden gloves guy out at my gym once because he put his head right into a kick I was throwing and neither one of us expected it at that moment. I thought I was going to tap him in the ribs, and there was a head there instead, moving quickly. So as a consequence, MMA guys often leave their head in the same lane, and since they can't use some of the defenses that are natural for them (like popping a takedown to avoid a punch, or using a stop kick), they just end up being defensively irresponsible, and sooner or later they get caught. Works the other way too. Look at how Conor McGregor changed his style and stance after all the boxing training ​​​​​ for Floyd, and he actually got worse at MMA as a result. You got it in one about the accuracy and how hard they have to hit to get results though.

Each of the sports has bad habits for the others. One of the big problems for MMA fighters transitioning to boxing is that they have to worry about kicks and takedowns in MMA. In the case of the former, they have to adopt a wider guard than is advisable in boxing. If they try to keep their guard really tight, taking kicks against the arms won't have any space to take any of the power off, and they'll end up getting their arms battered to pieces. The Tawanchai v Davit Kiris fight from Friday (see ONE on prime 13) is a great example. In the case of takedowns, they keep their guard low to get underhooks as they sprawl out. Both of those habits apply subconsciously to their guards, leaving them very porous to strikes compared to a boxer's guard. I think the takedown issue is the biggest one, as there are plenty of Muay Thai fighters who have been able to win boxing world titles in addition to their Muay Thai bonafides. When it comes to striking and chins, bear in mind MMA fighters have those tiny gloves. Try getting cracked with MMA gloves vs boxing gloves and you'll see very quickly that it's not the same story. Way easier to penetrate a guard with MMA gloves also, and consequently you see different habits forming that aren't beneficial in boxing. So then you end up fighting your own instincts as well as your opponent, or getting disqualified, and either way it's bad for you. There's a lot more specific techniques I could point to that lead to deficiencies, and bear in mind it works both ways too. Boxers don't generally do well in MMA. ​​​​​ Good points. In this case bad habits are relative lol. Thai fighters do transition fairly well. Pacman fights a lot like a Thai fighter... quick off the main fighting line. MMA fighters do have the smaller gloves and when gloves got bigger in boxing punching dynamics changed a lot. Its a topic onto itself, but a lot is lost, and changes because of how power is transferred. you lose the direct transmission with big gloves, so instead one must really swing the arms hard with the trunk muscles. With smaller gloves, accuracy, like with a forward lead, allowed one much more success. The idea was essentially to keep the structure right, so the hands did not break, and the mechanics allowed one to target the chin tip, the jawline, ther plexus with straight shots, and the ribs with the hook. I often think MMA guys could learn a lot watching the fighters prior to the Dempsey era. The mechanics are more in line with punching with smaller gloves and more distance is created which would help with take downs, except of course the back leg was used a lot more back then which MMA guys don't like to do (takedowns).

MMA is still a relatively young sport. It also has a lot of inroad paths. Boxing as we understand it was introduced by James Figg with a fencing vocabulary. That makes boxing easy to trace. You can define eras like when Dempsey fought, and so on. When you know your roots it makes understanding clear. For MMA there were initially many arts, Everything from when karate men decided to put on gloves and create "Kick boxing" of course Thai boxing, Ju Jutsu, Judo and many many styles of wrestling. And in brazil there was a strong tradition of combatives with different rule sets, competition amongst different styles, etc. Guys used to compete in all these events, everything from Vale Tudo, shoot wrestling, traditional and Judoka inspired JuJuttsu styles... And what finally happened is athletes started training specifically for the ring by taking what was useful from all the different fighting traditions... something Bruce Lee alluded to in the sixties. This approach of using techniques from different arts evolved to developing the technical approach to best use in the ring. From the early UFC days, athletes became professional fighters (the Gracies always were), and trained as athletes in addition to fighters. So what we get are ver strong guys who have taken piecemeal from a variety of sources, to game the sport. This seems to work for many arts, it is relatively easy to go to a Tai Kwon Do school to learn kicks, to practice ground fighting aspects of both: traditional and Judo Ju Jutsu, and so on. Fighters can even go one step further and simply learn techniques specifically for avoiding take downs, etc. So why does this not work with boxing? I have a theory. The first thing is, the simple arts can be the arts that take the most time to master. Kendo has less techiques than any other Japanese art, yet is the hardest art to master... Boxing does not have a large amount of techniques, but it depends on excellence with the hands, feet and body movements. Boxing has benefitted from a rich tradition that demands time and no compromises on the tecnical approach, which has not been diluted for centuries. it has been this way for long enough that the quality of the training is affected. Martial arts systems generally are practiced with a lot of variation concerning quality, commitment, and there is usually no quality control to speak of... The GRacies are an exception that way. Hence, by the time a professional boxer comes along, he has learned in an art/sport where the quality is there, and where the standards, technical base of the art has not been diluted. Any attempts to take strikes from boxing (there are different ways to punch) will be less effective than training in the system as a whole. This means that MMA strikers can never match a boxer who specializes in hitting, by deciding to take select techniques from the art. Each of the sports has bad habits for the others. One of the big problems for MMA fighters transitioning to boxing is that they have to worry about kicks and takedowns in MMA. In the case of the former, they have to adopt a wider guard than is advisable in boxing. If they try to keep their guard really tight, taking kicks against the arms won't have any space to take any of the power off, and they'll end up getting their arms battered to pieces. The Tawanchai v Davit Kiris fight from Friday (see ONE on prime 13) is a great example. In the case of takedowns, they keep their guard low to get underhooks as they sprawl out. Both of those habits apply subconsciously to their guards, leaving them very porous to strikes compared to a boxer's guard. I think the takedown issue is the biggest one, as there are plenty of Muay Thai fighters who have been able to win boxing world titles in addition to their Muay Thai bonafides. When it comes to striking and chins, bear in mind MMA fighters have those tiny gloves. Try getting cracked with MMA gloves vs boxing gloves and you'll see very quickly that it's not the same story. Way easier to penetrate a guard with MMA gloves also, and consequently you see different habits forming that aren't beneficial in boxing. So then you end up fighting your own instincts as well as your opponent, or getting disqualified, and either way it's bad for you. There's a lot more specific techniques I could point to that lead to deficiencies, and bear in mind it works both ways too. Boxers don't generally do well in MMA. ​​​​​

Was there a Paul fight? I missed it. Oh noes.

I don’t truly want to make this point, but I’m gonna say it’s because in the end? Most folks don’t truly understand the dynamics in fighting from MMA to boxing. We saw a Terence Crawford box the ears off of Errol Spence. I used to love the watch Floyd fight. I loved the creativity of Manny Pacquiao. The way he dropped Keith Thurman, was the same kind of punch?? He hit many people with, he just so happen to drop Keith with it. i say all that to say, most folks, don’t truly understand that MMA in general? Like you said those guys are killers, but they’re not boxers. Many of them cannot hit at all, but if you tell people that, they will tell you that you’re losing your mind. They only think these guys can hit, because those guys don’t have good chins on average. The beating Errol Spence took against Terence Crawford? I thought it was bad, but it wasn’t as bad as I’ve seen other beatings in boxing. errol still had his wits to him, because he’s very tough physically. I don’t think there’s any fighter in history of MMA, that would’ve lasted as long as Errol Spence. Not to mention the racial component, I think many people want to see a white guy with swagger participate in boxing. Or any other very popular sport. Jake found a niche, and it’s wonderful. I hope we can all do the same in our fields but these MMA guys really just leave a lot to the table boxing wise. MMA is still a relatively young sport. It also has a lot of inroad paths. Boxing as we understand it was introduced by James Figg with a fencing vocabulary. That makes boxing easy to trace. You can define eras like when Dempsey fought, and so on. When you know your roots it makes understanding clear. For MMA there were initially many arts, Everything from when karate men decided to put on gloves and create "Kick boxing" of course Thai boxing, Ju Jutsu, Judo and many many styles of wrestling. And in brazil there was a strong tradition of combatives with different rule sets, competition amongst different styles, etc. Guys used to compete in all these events, everything from Vale Tudo, shoot wrestling, traditional and Judoka inspired JuJuttsu styles... And what finally happened is athletes started training specifically for the ring by taking what was useful from all the different fighting traditions... something Bruce Lee alluded to in the sixties. This approach of using techniques from different arts evolved to developing the technical approach to best use in the ring. From the early UFC days, athletes became professional fighters (the Gracies always were), and trained as athletes in addition to fighters. So what we get are ver strong guys who have taken piecemeal from a variety of sources, to game the sport. This seems to work for many arts, it is relatively easy to go to a Tai Kwon Do school to learn kicks, to practice ground fighting aspects of both: traditional and Judo Ju Jutsu, and so on. Fighters can even go one step further and simply learn techniques specifically for avoiding take downs, etc. So why does this not work with boxing? I have a theory. The first thing is, the simple arts can be the arts that take the most time to master. Kendo has less techiques than any other Japanese art, yet is the hardest art to master... Boxing does not have a large amount of techniques, but it depends on excellence with the hands, feet and body movements. Boxing has benefitted from a rich tradition that demands time and no compromises on the tecnical approach, which has not been diluted for centuries. it has been this way for long enough that the quality of the training is affected. Martial arts systems generally are practiced with a lot of variation concerning quality, commitment, and there is usually no quality control to speak of... The GRacies are an exception that way. Hence, by the time a professional boxer comes along, he has learned in an art/sport where the quality is there, and where the standards, technical base of the art has not been diluted. Any attempts to take strikes from boxing (there are different ways to punch) will be less effective than training in the system as a whole. This means that MMA strikers can never match a boxer who specializes in hitting, by deciding to take select techniques from the art.

It's because people just can't seem to differentiate between the sports. MMA fighters are killers, true killers and true fighters. What they aren't are boxers. Every time Jake Paul fights these MMA guys, my nephew is adamant that he will get destroyed by these MMA fighters because they are/were world class "fighters" and Jake Paul isn't. Jake Paul has basic boxing skills, that's all it takes to beat an MMA fighter in a boxing match, because it's just not their sport. Just because they throw punches and take guys heads off in their sport doesn't mean it's boxing. We have to remember Mayweather-McGregor sold over 4 million PPV's.......That alone tells you where the problem lies here. I don’t truly want to make this point, but I’m gonna say it’s because in the end? Most folks don’t truly understand the dynamics in fighting from MMA to boxing. We saw a Terence Crawford box the ears off of Errol Spence. I used to love the watch Floyd fight. I loved the creativity of Manny Pacquiao. The way he dropped Keith Thurman, was the same kind of punch?? He hit many people with, he just so happen to drop Keith with it. i say all that to say, most folks, don’t truly understand that MMA in general? Like you said those guys are killers, but they’re not boxers. Many of them cannot hit at all, but if you tell people that, they will tell you that you’re losing your mind. They only think these guys can hit, because those guys don’t have good chins on average. The beating Errol Spence took against Terence Crawford? I thought it was bad, but it wasn’t as bad as I’ve seen other beatings in boxing. errol still had his wits to him, because he’s very tough physically. I don’t think there’s any fighter in history of MMA, that would’ve lasted as long as Errol Spence. Not to mention the racial component, I think many people want to see a white guy with swagger participate in boxing. Or any other very popular sport. Jake found a niche, and it’s wonderful. I hope we can all do the same in our fields but these MMA guys really just leave a lot to the table boxing wise.

how does a guy that's been fighting for over 20+ years in MMA loses to some guy who just started training boxing like 5 years ago??? i get it, nate wasnt boxing for 20+ years, he was doing MMA but if you've been fighting professionally for over 20 years, how do you lose to some guy who just started boxing?? does this prove how weak guy's in the MMA stand up is??

These fughs are living the dream Easy to fool today’s lost generation unfortunately Sure they know how to crack a phone but have no fughin clue how to crack a safe or even a simple locket Google has ruined our world and it will only get much worse They get picked up and dropped off when we would walk through fughin snowstorms or wtv to get to school and back You can’t build fughin character by texting You can memorize your little textbook but what good does it actually do to you out on the streets ? This coming from an old true mofo who has two young daughters and has walked the walk Nothing builds character like the streets do It’s unfortunate times we live in Long live rock’n’roll brother I know you know , not your first or last rodeo Godspeed Yes, it s so true! I grew up that way in East Harlem. The Diaz brothers, I have a soft spot for because they remind me a lot of guys in my hood. People always see the "bad" in communities that are tough living, hoods, but for every bad apple there are many of good character who never lost their way in the struggle. And coming up hard makes one tough and able.

Jake Paul has shown his level. He's novice boxer who would have zero chance of winning a British title. The thing is, the MMA guys he's fighting can't box at all so he beats them with relative ease. It's one hell of a market he's managed to open for himself. If he fights any boxer with any kind of crednetials he will lose and lose easily like he did to Tommy Fury who is also a novice, but a novice that's been boxing since the age of 10. I would say Anderson Silva was a decent win. Old as dirt but he had a few boxing matches and actually managed to beat Chavez Jr somehow.

Unfortunately Jake is in a position where he can fully control everything, the circumstances are perfect for him. Not good enough to beat halfway decent boxers in boxing or halfway decent MMA fighters in MMA but good enough at boxing after 5+ years of training to beat halfway decent MMA fighters in boxing (and hand picked ones at that). And hes able to do this because he has the name, money and influence to make it happen. Its a total vanity project that has done unfair damage to MMAs credibility but simultaneously has helped turn boxing into a circus too. Cant wait for him and his ilk to fuck off to whatever the next thing is, either that or he actually takes things seriously and boxes boxers or goes to MMA andtries to make a real run at things.

I can understand some of his youthful indiscretions. But he is indeed a pocket liner! Him and I think his brother, did these endorsements for crypto coin issued in a special series, knowing the coins would tank after he pulled profits and leaving his followers holding the proverbial bag... And then it gets worse... I think it was both of the Paul brothers, but they made their own "coin," got investment capital from their followers and let it tank. He was exposed over this. His followers are young and he takes advantage to line his pockets. These fughs are living the dream Easy to fool today’s lost generation unfortunately Sure they know how to crack a phone but have no fughin clue how to crack a safe or even a simple locket Google has ruined our world and it will only get much worse They get picked up and dropped off when we would walk through fughin snowstorms or wtv to get to school and back You can’t build fughin character by texting You can memorize your little textbook but what good does it actually do to you out on the streets ? This coming from an old true mofo who has two young daughters and has walked the walk Nothing builds character like the streets do It’s unfortunate times we live in Long live rock’n’roll brother I know you know , not your first or last rodeo Godspeed

I thought Diaz knew this was a mockery, so he showed up, put on a show, stuck to his mental script, and collected a fat plate of cheese. He was terrible but STILL able to fluster and embarrass Jake on several occasions. Jake won't go near another boxer ever again; he won't even rematch Fury. Anyone with even the basic fundamentals will tear this kid apart. IF he goes through with that MMA match with Diaz (he won't), he's getting slept.

Diaz was overhyped as a "striker" when really it was pointed out the vast majority of his stoppages were submissions NOT striking TKOs. Jake was embarrassing. Diaz just slapped him with Paulie M love taps and walked forward not even throwing with a weak guard up and Jake had no real solution to this and couldnt stop him. Diaz, as an MMA fighter seems to be fairly well rounded. He has actually uncorked a few good shots and of course, submitted a lot of opponents. It is interesting to me that his build is so average, apparently it is connected (presumably) to his endurance and recovery. He must be a wiry fcker, but he does not look tightly muscled like most wiry built fighters. Lol, imagine Paulie M backing someone up! Its true, Diaz hit him with slapping shots and still drove him back, Jake looked perplexed.

Jake Paul has shown his level. He's novice boxer who would have zero chance of winning a British title. The thing is, the MMA guys he's fighting can't box at all so he beats them with relative ease. It's one hell of a market he's managed to open for himself. If he fights any boxer with any kind of crednetials he will lose and lose easily like he did to Tommy Fury who is also a novice, but a novice that's been boxing since the age of 10. His power is also overrated and nonexistent. The announcers at his early events kept hyping his "power" since he throws his all into his telegraphed overhand right and he knocked out the worlds smallest NBA player and a geriatric wrestler but the few times he caught tommy flush there was no reaction and Tommy who has atleast sparred a bit with various guys said out right Jake has no real power. Jake lost to a british reality TV star who boxes as a side hustle.

Diaz was overhyped as a "striker" when really it was pointed out the vast majority of his stoppages were submissions NOT striking TKOs. Jake was embarrassing. Diaz just slapped him with Paulie M love taps and walked forward not even throwing with a weak guard up and Jake had no real solution to this and couldnt stop him.

He’s hit the jackpot He’s lining his pockets while making a mockery of the sport in some degree Maybe I’m being a little harsh but he is there using the sport to line his pocket I can understand some of his youthful indiscretions. But he is indeed a pocket liner! Him and I think his brother, did these endorsements for crypto coin issued in a special series, knowing the coins would tank after he pulled profits and leaving his followers holding the proverbial bag... And then it gets worse... I think it was both of the Paul brothers, but they made their own "coin," got investment capital from their followers and let it tank. He was exposed over this. His followers are young and he takes advantage to line his pockets.

No need to analyze joke fights How about joke posters? :nana:

It's because people just can't seem to differentiate between the sports. MMA fighters are killers, true killers and true fighters. What they aren't are boxers. Every time Jake Paul fights these MMA guys, my nephew is adamant that he will get destroyed by these MMA fighters because they are/were world class "fighters" and Jake Paul isn't. Jake Paul has basic boxing skills, that's all it takes to beat an MMA fighter in a boxing match, because it's just not their sport. Just because they throw punches and take guys heads off in their sport doesn't mean it's boxing. We have to remember Mayweather-McGregor sold over 4 million PPV's.......That alone tells you where the problem lies here. Its unfortunate the lack of knowledge. It is true about basic boxing. The whole set up for when and even how to throw certain punches is entirely different. Factors like, size of gloves, defense against take downs, even range... Because of kicks, very different.

Yup and he knows this is true. Who would have thought there would be a market for boxing professional MMA fighters? lol. He’s hit the jackpot He’s lining his pockets while making a mockery of the sport in some degree Maybe I’m being a little harsh but he is there using the sport to line his pocket

Yup and he knows this is true. Who would have thought there would be a market for boxing professional MMA fighters? lol. It's because people just can't seem to differentiate between the sports. MMA fighters are killers, true killers and true fighters. What they aren't are boxers. Every time Jake Paul fights these MMA guys, my nephew is adamant that he will get destroyed by these MMA fighters because they are/were world class "fighters" and Jake Paul isn't. Jake Paul has basic boxing skills, that's all it takes to beat an MMA fighter in a boxing match, because it's just not their sport. Just because they throw punches and take guys heads off in their sport doesn't mean it's boxing. We have to remember Mayweather-McGregor sold over 4 million PPV's.......That alone tells you where the problem lies here.