What I'm saying is lets just ignore all of Spence's baggage and pretend he was 100%. How much credit does Crawford deserve for beating him? I think it's a solid win, but people shouldn't get carried and start comparing him to Floyd and Manny. At the end of the day Spence was a B level fighter who beat other B level fighters. Does beating someone at that level make you an ATG?
Multiple fatal car crashes
Torn retina
Over a year long layoff
I've seen this forum try and discredit great wins over far less than what Spence went through.
Doesn't " fatal " mean someone died ?
- - But Spence was only healthy pre car crash which is when the fight could’ve been made, but wasn’t because low ppv Craw overpriced hisself.
Great, he got the damaged off balance Spence of the Ugas fight with Spence cashing out his career.
OP asks a nonsensical ? for forum monkeys to regurgitate. Is it any wonder boxing the clown of all sports with those kinds of fans?
wrong. He beat a p4p fighter in his 3rd weight class and made history as two time undisputed in two weight classes.
Pac beating pf p no1 or 2 barrera in 3rd weight class was better than what bud did, yet pac didn't overtake floyd. Floyd hadn't done anything too good to be ahead of pac. Pac beating an ATG in his prime was in actual fact going to be better than any floyd win, even taking into consideration the rest of Floyd's career
a spence win isn't worth 2 weight classes for those who think bud deserves no1 pf p status, even if spence didn't have car accident. It would be a very good win that makes bud no1 ww.
wrong. He beat a p4p fighter in his 3rd weight class and made history as two time undisputed in two weight classes.
He deserves plenty of credit. A 100% Spence was considered the #1 guy in the division. I agree Crawford shouldn't be compared to Manny/Floyd as far as resumes go but he can be compared in terms of ability. Clearly a great fighter.
A spence win isn't worth 2 weight classes for those who think bud deserves no1 pf p status, even if spence didn't have car accident. A pac win over no1 or 2 pfp barrera and being 3 division champ didn't make pac overtake Floyd to being no1 pfp
So it would be a very good win that makes bud no1 WW.
Multiple fatal car crashes
Torn retina
Over a year long layoff
I've seen this forum try and discredit great wins over far less than what Spence went through.
I don’t think you know what that means.
The problem is Bud didn't beat Spence because Spence was off. He beat him because he figured him out and his style.
But was a state level wrestler. He was able to control spence on the inside by pinning his shoulder into the chest of Spence. There for being vertical while your opponent is square and their sight is blocked. Spence actually does that exact samething to everyone else when he goes to work on the inside.
Crawfords wrestling background just makes him able to control that space. He neutralised the main way in which Spence fights on the inside.
And once you do that, Spences defense isnt good enough. He has always only backed up in a straight line his whole career. Theres more to it than just that, he was also counting his jab. And a few other things like how good Crawford is at puching down at dipping opponents and countering
Its not like it was a close fight, Spence was just too weak and tired. The dude lost because tactically he was completely outboxed and out thought
“Let’s pretend”
like you’re all pretending he wasn’t 100? All because he talks like an idiot and looked like **** against Bud?
Multiple fatal car crashes
Torn retina
Over a year long layoff
I've seen this forum try and discredit great wins over far less than what Spence went through.
Spence p4p was way better than corrales or any of floyd's wins. Sorry.
Weak troll attempt. At least put some effort into it. This is why no one takes you seriously.
What I'm saying is lets just ignore all of Spence's baggage and pretend he was 100%. How much credit does Crawford deserve for beating him? I think it's a solid win, but people shouldn't get carried and start comparing him to Floyd and Manny. At the end of the day Spence was a B level fighter who beat other B level fighters. Does beating someone at that level make you an ATG?
Spence p4p was way better than corrales or any of floyd's wins. Sorry.
He would deserve a lot of credit more so because of Spences accomplishments than anything else.
Very good but not a great win vs a guy who is stylistically made to order.
What I'm saying is lets just ignore all of Spence's baggage and pretend he was 100%. How much credit does Crawford deserve for beating him? I think it's a solid win, but people shouldn't get carried and start comparing him to Floyd and Manny. At the end of the day Spence was a B level fighter who beat other B level fighters. Does beating someone at that level make you an ATG?
Full credit for the win for Bud. Imo it makes him unquestionably the top p4p boxer in the world.
Spence isnt a B level fighter. He is an A- level fighter.
Bud is an A+/A level boxer that showed they are the best of their era.
I think it compares favorably to Floyd v Manny in that Floyd was A+ and Manny was A/A- when they fought.
I'd say he has a pretty good case. Most dominant boxer ever. Most world champions beaten. 50-0. That's a damn good career.
what do you want to be when you grow up?
Says Floyd is TBE....:rolleyes:
I'd say he has a pretty good case. Most dominant boxer ever. Most world champions beaten. 50-0. That's a damn good career.