How about making boxers accountable for taking long layoffs?

I don't get it. Layoffs are a fact of life and very often do play into a fighters performance. Whose 'fault' it is should only really be relevent if you haven't grown out of the fanboy / hater kinda mindset and are still getting into ego battles with other posters. End of the day it's the fighter who pays the price for his own inactivity whether it's for reasons beyond his control or a matter of choice. Interesting. But do you agree fighters who don't fight often, say one fight a year, deserve to become HOF material? To me fighting less than others is no different from avoiding fights. Less fights, less risks, less chances of losing. What is more simpler than that?

Bottom line is blame the fighter, not some invisible entity or something. As Jermell Charlo himself says, quoted in earlier posts, "I don't think ring rust exists; fighters use it as excuse for performances." And as a fan don't make made up excuses for them like mental issues as if he's your husband or something without evidence like real diagnosis taken from experts in the medical field. Or he having personal issues doe. You don't owe them anything. Most times it's the result of too much partying and drinking sessions.

I don't get it. Layoffs are a fact of life and very often do play into a fighters performance. Whose 'fault' it is should only really be relevent if you haven't grown out of the fanboy / hater kinda mindset and are still getting into ego battles with other posters. End of the day it's the fighter who pays the price for his own inactivity whether it's for reasons beyond his control or a matter of choice.

Any more take on this before I let it dry in obscurity and peace?

It's a win win situation for Wilder. He loses, blame it on the layoff. He wins, no mention of the long layoff. In theory, he's supposed to be at a disadvantage because AJ is more active. Blame the layoff on some ghost or something. Exactly. Fighters who are active are not given any credit, while inactive ones get instant "long layoff" excuse even before the fight begins with the added bonus of not being held accountable for it.

Fans love to treat their fighters like they're babies. They worry about them constantly. Even when they fight abroad they worry they might get lost or get mugged. It's crazy. Not to mention getting lowballed as if they don't know what they're getting into. Boxers (not even comfortable calling them fighters) of today are lucky. They get to fight once a year without getting flak from fans. They're even given instant excuse for not performing well for the long layoff. That's exactly what this thread is all about. These boxers can fight as seldom as they want, for all I care, but stop making it as if it's some paranormal entity that is responsible for the layoff.

"Jermell Charlo doesn't think ring rust exists; Says fighters use it as excuse for performances." This is probably the more useful way to approach this thread, instead of who's doing it or not. So if what Charlo is saying is true, why do fans continue to use it as an excuse when the guy in question performed not up to par in his fight? Fans love to treat their fighters like they're babies. They worry about them constantly. Even when they fight abroad they worry they might get lost or get mugged. It's crazy. Not to mention getting lowballed as if they don't know what they're getting into. Boxers (not even comfortable calling them fighters) of today are lucky. They get to fight once a year without getting flak from fans. They're even given instant excuse for not performing well for the long layoff.

Fans just love babying their fighters. I'd bet any fighter would brush aside the layoff excuse for poor performance because in the back of his mind he trained like a horse and made sure all boxes have been ticked. Take it straight from the horse's mouth: Jermell Charlo Doesn't Think Ring Rust Exists; Says Fighters Use It As Excuse For Performances ​https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...r-performances​​ "Jermell Charlo doesn't think ring rust exists; Says fighters use it as excuse for performances." This is probably the more useful way to approach this thread, instead of who's doing it or not. So if what Charlo is saying is true, why do fans continue to use it as an excuse when the guy in question performed not up to par in his fight?

Top Fighters are what only relevant for what 10 years if they are lucky ?! And many of the top guys only fight once a year, madness, surely you've got to make hay while you're body lets you. Bivol for instance, feck, man should of been building his brand up after Canelo, zurdo, even if he's not fighting top guys, activity is still a good thing.

Q Go look around. Its not just them. Fury: 2023/0 fights so far, 2022/2 fights, 2021/1 fight, 2020/1 fight AJ: 2023/2 fights, 2022/1 fight, 2021/1 fight, 2020/1 fight Bud: 2023/1 fight, 2022/1 fight, 2021/1 fight, 2020/1 fight Usyk: 2023/1 fight, 2022/1 fight, 2021/1 fight, 2020/1 fight Bivol: 2023/0 fights, 2022/2 fights, 2021/2 fights, 2020/0 fights Loma: 2023/1 fight, 2022/1 fight, 2021/2 fights, 2020/1 fight King Ry: 2023/1 fight so far, 2022/2 fights, 2021/1 fight, 2020/1 fight 5 fights or less in 4 years for some of the biggest names in boxing. Lots more examples out there too if you look. Yup , you absolutely right It’s like a fashion fad , it goes sky high and then it just dips All the kids were wearing Converse , then it wasn’t the fad anymore and off to the next one , Puma All this chit started when Floyd began his journey of preserving his 0 What fighters don’t understand is he could afford it , his fights were bringing in mucho denaro , it was considered a week long event , just like when Gatti fought in Atlantic City , everything doubled or tripled whether it be bars , restaurants or hotels Take for example Boo Boo whos wasting away his fughin career waiting for that big payout Haymon is and I always said a fughin cancer to the sport of boxing

Too many fighters in one PBC house. Not enough money to provide 2 fights a year for their fighters. They'd rather spend money on Canelo. But there are others that genuinely avoid fights even when they're available. Guys like Jermall Charlo, Wilder, etc.

Excuses don't reallllllllly matter tho. You win or you lose. "Boxing" doesn't care why you lost. Fans care sure, but it don't reallllllllly matter. The goal is to win. Not to lose or lose with the best reason why you lost. Not fighting for over a year probably does hurt your chances to win, but thats the situation a fighter might be in going into a big fight. And there's ALWAYS something going on in someone's life. Guys go into fights with all kinds of sh^t & they win all the time. If you can win with sh^t going on then who gaf if you lose with sh^t going on. The fighter who says they woulda won IF x, y or z happened are either bsing or misplanned their situation or taking a fight at all I'd argue more than it matters to anyone except to them & their most loyal fanboys of course. The buck always stops with the fighter.

So what's the assessment here between Joshua and Wilder? AJ chose to be active by taking 2 interim fights while Wilder would be in his 1 year layoff by the time he fights Joshua. Is AJ supposed to be at an advantage because he chose to be active? Or Wilder has more advantage because he's well rested and didn't take any form of stress-inducing activities like training for fights, sparring sessions, stay-busy fights themselves, etc. It's a win win situation for Wilder. He loses, blame it on the layoff. He wins, no mention of the long layoff. In theory, he's supposed to be at a disadvantage because AJ is more active. Blame the layoff on some ghost or something.

Fans know more about the fighters than the fighters know about themselves. I don't think these fans are willing to hold these fighters accountable for their inactive ways. Anyways, you lose, or got robbed, and that's about it. No amount excuses will erase the loss. Like they say, you laugh and the whole world laughs with you, you cry and you cry alone. True. No amount of layoff excuses will wipe out the loss. You lose, you lost. You took the fight there's no one to blame but you.

Yeah, I hate to admit that you're right to an extent. I started out as a dyed in the wool PBC supporter, but that style of promotion is now being exposed to being bad for fighters & the sport. Hey we were all fans of something at some point , no harm no foul there That’s my take though and when I started to realize problems is when May was pulling that chit Of course Haymon has much to do about that

But but then the ABC’s wouldn’t be raping us Fughin coghsuckers I still give most of the blame to Mayweather/Haymon strategy of milking chit until it’s past due Conserving that 0 is where all this bullchit started I’ve always said that Haymon is a fughin cancer to the sport Yeah, I hate to admit that you're right to an extent. I started out as a dyed in the wool PBC supporter, but that style of promotion is now being exposed to being bad for fighters & the sport.

Fans just love babying their fighters. I'd bet any fighter would brush aside the layoff excuse for poor performance because in the back of his mind he trained like a horse and made sure all boxes have been ticked. Take it straight from the horse's mouth: Jermell Charlo Doesn't Think Ring Rust Exists; Says Fighters Use It As Excuse For Performances ​https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...r-performances​​ Fans know more about the fighters than the fighters know about themselves. I don't think these fans are willing to hold these fighters accountable for their inactive ways. Anyways, you lose, or got robbed, and that's about it. No amount excuses will erase the lost.​ Like they say, you laugh and the whole world laughs with you, you cry and you cry alone.

Jermell Charlo has been fighting once a year for the last 3 years. So injury or not.... charlos not too bad in that regard, he was a twice a year guy up to the pandemic in 2020 and then fought castano twice 10 months apart, the gold standard for the once a year crowd is gary russell JR LOL, now that guy is seen every xmas type of thing, he was very happy doing that as well btw and made a good living from it, he was a bit delusional about stuff if i remember too but whatever floats your boat i guess

Fans just love babying their fighters. I'd bet any fighter would brush aside the layoff excuse for poor performance because in the back of his mind he trained like a horse and made sure all boxes have been ticked. Take it straight from the horse's mouth: Jermell Charlo Doesn't Think Ring Rust Exists; Says Fighters Use It As Excuse For Performances ​https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...r-performances​​

the fighter in question charlo had a hand injury (like canelo did his last 3 fights) who said im not using the hand injury as an excuse but i read today from charlo, I had a hand injury LOL i knew that was coming of course, it almost always does, from canelo too of course, its just human nature, the ole classic 'im not making excuses but.......' line its just makes people feel better Jermell Charlo has been fighting once a year for the last 3 years. So injury or not....