So, Wilder`s claim to fame is...

Even Kownacki was able to beat guys like Arreola, Szpilka etc. What are we talking about? Hold on, Kownacki beat Szpilka 6 years ago so why would you cite that win for him when this win should be deleted as it was a long time ago?

"We all know what your angle is" ... says the clown who compared Wilder's title reign to Joe Louis'. I don't know who "we" is, but you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about. I didn’t compare him to Joe Louis, they’re worlds apart. Terrible comprehension from you as always. We is everybody who see’s your posts, it’s a public boxing forum dumbass. :lol1:

Vitali was never a unified champion, again very good champion in a weak era. Wilder falls in the same category. Contenders like who? Let me guess… Povetkin, Pulev, Parker etc. :lol1: We all know what your angle is here, it’s so transparent man. FTR, I’d say the same about AJ, good champion in a weak era. "We all know what your angle is" ... says the clown who compared Wilder's title reign to Joe Louis'. I don't know who "we" is, but you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Between them, Vitali and Vlad held every version of the HW title and they fought every credible contender in the division during their reigns. The only top HWs the brothers didn't fight were one another, and they can't be faulted for that. Wilder only ever held 1 out of 4 world title belts and there were/are plenty of credible contenders he didn't fight. Those are facts, not spin. Vitali was never a unified champion, again very good champion in a weak era. Wilder falls in the same category. Contenders like who? Let me guess… Povetkin, Pulev, Parker etc. :lol1: We all know what your angle is here, it’s so transparent man. FTR, I’d say the same about AJ, good champion in a weak era.

yeah it is useless if you are going to continue to downplay beating the #1 fighter in the division. thats not even his entire claim to fame because he also beat wilders best win! and are you seriously using the wbc rankings to try and prove something? stunning desperation. no credible outlet like teh ring or other had those bums ranked. Nobody is downplaying Joshua unless you have comprehension problems. But what has he done since? including in the second fight? Ruiz struggled against both Ortiz and Arreola when they are into their 40s while Wilder Ko'ed a fresher version of both 5 years ago. He won but it wasn't a convincing win and Arreola actually put him down. Both Ortiz and Arreola have commented on who they think wins between Andy and Wilder since they have fought both. I will trust their comments more.

We can go back and forth over this, but it is useless. I can say Ruiz's entire claim to fame is a 36 min show when he beat the bodybuilder. Ruiz is a good fighter, I have no doubt about it. He is tough, can take shots, and has good hand speed. He gets up and fights back. Nobody can take that from him. He is definitely a top 10 material, perhaps in the middle ranks but not elite level (top 3-4) in my opinion. Boxing, and HW boxing in particular, has had so many of them that won a fight or remained a champ for 1-2 fights. They have a moment in history but not an era. Ruiz, however, has shown indiscipline and a lack of respect for the sport and being a champion. In the biggest moment of his professional career, he let the money get to his head. He did not train properly, gained weight, didn't respect his coach much, and that is also when his family problems started. Since then, he has shown on and off discipline and desire. Remember, he was a champion over 4 years ago. He declined to fight Whyte and did not give a convincing account of himself against Arreola and Ortiz. Where is he right now remains to be seen and I have my doubts he has the hunger to put in the hard work for the glory and be champion again or just cash on some last few fights. Wilder is a knockout artist. I do not rate his boxing ability highly and is vulnerable to some styles (Fury showed that) but has been saved by his power and determination over the years. He is disciplined too and takes the job seriously. He is exciting to watch and in this era has made a name for himself. Whether you like Wilder or not, he did make several consecutive defenses and has had an era of his own. Wilder definitely is not a yardstick of how opposition should be but his competition also isn't as bad as people try to make it look apart from the fact that he mostly fought US-based fighters rather than those from UK promoters. Boxing today, unfortunately, is not that well-regulated and is more business than sports. Many of those defenses were actually ranked fighters at the time of those fights (data from old articles of that time and mostly WBC rankings)... Molina (#12), Duhaupas (#12), Szpilka (WBC#8, IBF#6), Arreola (unranked due to drug suspension), Washington (#7), Stiverne (#1), Ortiz (#3), Fury (#5), Breazeale (#4). yeah it is useless if you are going to continue to downplay beating the #1 fighter in the division. thats not even his entire claim to fame because he also beat wilders best win! and are you seriously using the wbc rankings to try and prove something? stunning desperation. no credible outlet like teh ring or other had those bums ranked.

The only difference between Wilder and Michael Grant is that Grant wasn't gifted a world title shot against a can and allowed to defend it 10 times against 10 more cans. Nope. he was thrown to Lennox early in his career.

someone compared wilder to ali and said they had the same amount of consecutive defenses. i was just responding with facts about how terrible his resume is in comparison to guys like ali. if you want to compare wilder to ruiz, ruiz clearly comes out on top. ruiz's claim to fame is beating undefeated joshua who was #1 in the division. wilders claim to fame is beating ortiz who was ranked #5. oh ruiz also beat ortiz who was still ranked #6 when they fought. wilder has more title defenses...against who though? bums and tomato cans. when you have 10 title defenses and only 1 top 10 win in there...thats a sign you are doing something wrong, not that you are doing something right by racking up easy defenses. you should ask what claim to fame does wilder have? and the answer is oh he knocked out a bunch of tomato cans. why are you impressed by that is another question. We can go back and forth over this, but it is useless. I can say Ruiz's entire claim to fame is a 36 min show when he beat the bodybuilder. Ruiz is a good fighter, I have no doubt about it. He is tough, can take shots, and has good hand speed. He gets up and fights back. Nobody can take that from him. He is definitely a top 10 material, perhaps in the middle ranks but not elite level (top 3-4) in my opinion. Boxing, and HW boxing in particular, has had so many of them that won a fight or remained a champ for 1-2 fights. They have a moment in history but not an era. Ruiz, however, has shown indiscipline and a lack of respect for the sport and being a champion. In the biggest moment of his professional career, he let the money get to his head. He did not train properly, gained weight, didn't respect his coach much, and that is also when his family problems started. Since then, he has shown on and off discipline and desire. Remember, he was a champion over 4 years ago. He declined to fight Whyte and did not give a convincing account of himself against Arreola and Ortiz. Where is he right now remains to be seen and I have my doubts he has the hunger to put in the hard work for the glory and be champion again or just cash on some last few fights. Wilder is a knockout artist. I do not rate his boxing ability highly and is vulnerable to some styles (Fury showed that) but has been saved by his power and determination over the years. He is disciplined too and takes the job seriously. He is exciting to watch and in this era has made a name for himself. Whether you like Wilder or not, he did make several consecutive defenses and has had an era of his own. Wilder definitely is not a yardstick of how opposition should be but his competition also isn't as bad as people try to make it look apart from the fact that he mostly fought US-based fighters rather than those from UK promoters. Boxing today, unfortunately, is not that well-regulated and is more business than sports. Many of those defenses were actually ranked fighters at the time of those fights (data from old articles of that time and mostly WBC rankings)... Molina (#12), Duhaupas (#12), Szpilka (WBC#8, IBF#6), Arreola (unranked due to drug suspension), Washington (#7), Stiverne (#1), Ortiz (#3), Fury (#5), Breazeale (#4).

Wrong! I am a boxing fan who likes watching hotly contested, crowd pleasing, competitive and even matched fights. It doesn't matter who is fighting or who the fighter is. However, you guys on the other hand, don't want to see your favorite fighters lose. So you all like it when they duck the best opponents that are available to them to fight. So how do you explain the criticism I've been giving Fury for ducking Usyk?

Don't Bullshit me man! After that Wilder trilogy; Many of your ilk and Tyson Fury fans alike were hailing him as the greatest heavyweight of all time and to have ever lived. I speak for myself, not for anyone else. Before the Usyk/AJ rematch and the Fury/Wilder trilogy, my opinion, which I gave at this forum many times, was that the winners of those 2 fights need to fight each other next and we won't know who the real HW champ is until that happens.

You are the tribalist. You are projecting your own faults onto other people. Wrong! I am a boxing fan who likes watching hotly contested, crowd pleasing, competitive and even matched fights. It doesn't matter who is fighting or who the fighter is. However, you guys on the other hand, don't want to see your favorite fighters lose. So you all like it when they duck the best opponents that are available to them to fight.

What it says about Tyson Fury is that he is better than Wilder. And that's all. Beating Wilder did not prove that Fury is the best HW in the world. The only way he proves that is by fighting and beating Usyk. Your last 2 questions are easy to answer for anybody who deals in facts, not propaganda. AJ and Ruiz did not duck Wilder. Wilder actively avoided fighting AJ and he just priced himself out of fighting Ruiz by making him an offer he knew Andy would not accept. Don't Bullshit me man! After that Wilder trilogy; Many of your ilk and Tyson Fury fans alike were hailing him as the greatest heavyweight of all time and to have ever lived. Also, for your information Team Wilder offered Andy Ruiz $5 mil which he has turned down. Rumors have it that he wanted more like $25 mil and a rematch clause. So don't tell me about who is the one pricing themselves out. It's obvious to anyone who is both fair, honest and objective that Team Ruiz doesn't want the fight. It's because they fear he may get his ass whooped!

They were all ranked fighters. Vitali and Wlad regularly defended against similar calibre opponents. Whichever way you wanna try and spin it, 10 defences is historically impressive. Between them, Vitali and Vlad held every version of the HW title and they fought every credible contender in the division during their reigns. The only top HWs the brothers didn't fight were one another, and they can't be faulted for that. Wilder only ever held 1 out of 4 world title belts and there were/are plenty of credible contenders he didn't fight. Those are facts, not spin.

It's a case of utter and profound hatred for this man called Deontay "The Bronze Bomber" Wilder because he is American. The tribalist can't stand the fact that he has achieved so much; In such a short period of time just on his God given ability alone; Which is his punching power and it really turns them into green-eyed monsters full of resentment toward him. You are the tribalist. You are projecting your own faults onto other people.

Then what does that say about your hero Tyson Fury who defeated this cream puff? Your argument diminishes his two knockout victories overWilder if he was never shit to begin with. Also, if your statement is true; Then why did Anthony Joshua duck him back in 2018 and why is Andy Ruiz ducking this former champion who has only defeated cream puffs now as well. What it says about Tyson Fury is that he is better than Wilder. And that's all. Beating Wilder did not prove that Fury is the best HW in the world. The only way he proves that is by fighting and beating Usyk. Your last 2 questions are easy to answer for anybody who deals in facts, not propaganda. AJ and Ruiz did not duck Wilder. Wilder actively avoided fighting AJ and he just priced himself out of fighting Ruiz by making him an offer he knew Andy would not accept.

We aren't comparing Wilder with Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali. The whole discussion is around Wilder and Ruiz. What claim to fame does Ruiz have? How many title defenses have Ruiz done? zero. someone compared wilder to ali and said they had the same amount of consecutive defenses. i was just responding with facts about how terrible his resume is in comparison to guys like ali. if you want to compare wilder to ruiz, ruiz clearly comes out on top. ruiz's claim to fame is beating undefeated joshua who was #1 in the division. wilders claim to fame is beating ortiz who was ranked #5. oh ruiz also beat ortiz who was still ranked #6 when they fought. wilder has more title defenses...against who though? bums and tomato cans. when you have 10 title defenses and only 1 top 10 win in there...thats a sign you are doing something wrong, not that you are doing something right by racking up easy defenses. you should ask what claim to fame does wilder have? and the answer is oh he knocked out a bunch of tomato cans. why are you impressed by that is another question.

So take it up with WBC. Don't see you hating on them OR on Tyson Fury, who's the one holding up the division, and has been the whole time. The argument doesn't hold up. If we're rating Klitschko so highly as a single entry on the resume, AJ should be getting that credit too, and Usyk should get a lot more love for having conquered AJ twice. Especially because Fury got immediately busted for doping after that fight. And if Fury is so great, then Wilder should get credit for putting him on the canvas 4 times. Fury also arguably should have lost to John McDermott in 2009, and got knocked down by what you'd call bums twice also. I'm pretty sure Wilder has only been knocked down by Fury. Wilder was scheduled to fight tougher opponents on most of the occasions that ended up being voluntaries because his ranked opponents kept failing drug tests. Povetkin, Arreola, Wawrzyk, Ortiz, Stiverne, and Fury all failed drug tests at one point or another. He's not a skilled boxer by any stretch, but there's no reason to crap on his career. Starting late at age 20, and getting an Olympic bronze medal after only 3 years, and world champion after 10 years, then reigning for 5 years despite his lack of skill is not insignificant. More than most on this forum have accomplished at any rate. sure there is. his career has been crappy. why sugar coat it? its not like hes some random from nowhere who couldnt get the fights. hes been on the biggest stage and had the biggest support in boxing yet his resume is this? choices were made and they wanted easy pickings. you dont get credit for that. you get credit for what you have accomplished and thats very little. not nothing but just very little.

title defenses against who though? its worthless if you arent beating good comp and wilder was not beating good comp. lets compare things. joe louis has 14 top 10 wins in his defenses(many against guys ranked 1, 2, or 3) not to mention he beat a much better fighter in order to win the lineal title. wilder has 2 top 10 wins in his defenses...against the same guy who was ranked 5th and then 6th. ali had 7 of his first 9 defenses against top 10 guys, then 8 out of 10 in his next title run, ali has 26 top 10 wins overall in his career to wilders 3. ali has beaten 17 top 3 fighters to wilders 1. its a simple quality vs quantity argument. wilder would have a grand total of 0 defenses if he was in the 1 belt era which you arent factoring in. We aren't comparing Wilder with Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali. The whole discussion is around Wilder and Ruiz. What claim to fame does Ruiz have? How many title defenses have Ruiz done? zero.

Wilder's claim to fame is he did not fight one Klitschko brother, while AJ and Fury did

most of his fights were not mandatories and we know there is promoter manipulation in who does and does not become mandatory. for example it should have been dillian whyte but the wbc passed him over and let breazele who was ranked lower fight eric molina who was ranked even lower for a mandatory position. thats how wilder ended up with a pbc opponent as mandatory instead of a legit ranked opponent. stiverne also was his mandatory even though he had 1 fight in 2 and a half years against a nobody. how did that happen...magic So take it up with WBC. Don't see you hating on them OR on Tyson Fury, who's the one holding up the division, and has been the whole time. The argument doesn't hold up. If we're rating Klitschko so highly as a single entry on the resume, AJ should be getting that credit too, and Usyk should get a lot more love for having conquered AJ twice. Especially because Fury got immediately busted for doping after that fight. And if Fury is so great, then Wilder should get credit for putting him on the canvas 4 times. Fury also arguably should have lost to John McDermott in 2009, and got knocked down by what you'd call bums twice also. I'm pretty sure Wilder has only been knocked down by Fury. Wilder was scheduled to fight tougher opponents on most of the occasions that ended up being voluntaries because his ranked opponents kept failing drug tests. Povetkin, Arreola, Wawrzyk, Ortiz, Stiverne, and Fury all failed drug tests at one point or another. He's not a skilled boxer by any stretch, but there's no reason to crap on his career. Starting late at age 20, and getting an Olympic bronze medal after only 3 years, and world champion after 10 years, then reigning for 5 years despite his lack of skill is not insignificant. More than most on this forum have accomplished at any rate.