I don’t understand the term “weight bully”.

i didn't explain myself thoroughly hahaha. I didn't mean to throw a shot at you. THIS thread really isn't dissing haney, but a lot of others are. My bad on that. but I get what you're saying. I don't understand the term either. I was wrong for that. lol I was gonna say man, I don’t subscribe to this weight bully sh** at all.

How’s this a Loma thread when I’m defending Haney? You Loma and Haney fans are nuts man. Both fanbases are constantly whining. :lol1: i didn't explain myself thoroughly hahaha. I didn't mean to throw a shot at you. THIS thread really isn't dissing haney, but a lot of others are. My bad on that. but I get what you're saying. I don't understand the term either. I was wrong for that. lol. I'm not really a "fan" of anyone above 126 because these guys truly don't want to fight each other. There are a few guys I like, but a lot of fighters just don't want to fight each other.

This thread and the 20 or so about "weight bullying" are strictly Lomachenko threads disguised as BS fans acting like they care about some kind of unwritten rules. Stop the nonsense. I wouldn't care if a figther rehydrates 100 lbs. As long as they make weight, there shouldn't be a problem. How’s this a Loma thread when I’m defending Haney? You Loma and Haney fans are nuts man. Both fanbases are constantly whining. :lol1:

Yeah, that wasn't good either. Shakur also hit Robson below the belt like a hundred times too. This is not about Haney specifically either or about favorite fighters or fighters one dislikes. This is about all fighters who rehydrate 20 plus pounds. I was saying the same thing when Zurdo came in the ring as a heavyweight and pulverized that guy from Germany. I have a suspicion that one day you'll be making a post complaining about weight bullies when your favorite fighter is up against someone who rehydrated 20 to 30 pounds above the weight class. We'll see. :lol1: But the point of this post is asking what a weight bully is, and I think it can't be explained any better than it already has been. I am approaching 50 years old. I've been watching boxing since I was 5 years old on sunday afternoon NBC. If I haven't complained about that by now, why would I start? I've always said that Jared Hurd is HUGE for 154, but then I'd say as long as he makes weight, there isn't a problem. The diffrence between me and you guys is that I don't have favorite fighters anymore. Promoters, title organizations, cherry picking, and inactivity has f*ked up the sport. This thread and the 20 or so about "weight bullying" are strictly Lomachenko threads disguised as BS fans acting like they care about some kind of unwritten rules. Stop the nonsense. I wouldn't care if a figther rehydrates 100 lbs. As long as they make weight, there shouldn't be a problem.

Here, I'm sure you've read this or an article like this, but this was about the suit Ganache filed. Gatti failed to make weight though. If Haney makes the weight, I don’t see the issue, don’t the IBF have a rehydration clause too? Surely he’d have to adhere to that being their belt holder. Even so, there’s no universal rule preventing a fighter from rehydrating. They just have to make the weight.

If you can make the weight then who gives a fuck Midget Loma can fight at 130 if he wants to

I think everyone that was alive during that time watching boxing remember that fight, but at the same time, Gatti didn't make weight. Haney hasn't missed weight. Shakur has. Yeah, that wasn't good either. Shakur also hit Robson below the belt like a hundred times too. This is not about Haney specifically either or about favorite fighters or fighters one dislikes. This is about all fighters who rehydrate 20 plus pounds. I was saying the same thing when Zurdo came in the ring as a heavyweight and pulverized that guy from Germany. I have a suspicion that one day you'll be making a post complaining about weight bullies when your favorite fighter is up against someone who rehydrated 20 to 30 pounds above the weight class. We'll see. :lol1: But the point of this post is asking what a weight bully is, and I think it can't be explained any better than it already has been.

You seem very emotional about this man. :lol1: Hearns like Haney had several physical advantages fighting at 147/154 but like Haney always made the weight so there was no issue. What you fail to understand is there is no height limit, no reach limit, no size limit, there’s only a weight limit. So if a fighter makes the weight, what exactly is he doing wrong? he's doing nothing wrong because when everyone's favorite fighters are rehydrating 20+ lbs, no one has a problem with it. It only becomes a problem when their favorite fighter is about to get their azzes whipped.

Here, I'm sure you've read this or an article like this, but this was about the suit Ganache filed. I think everyone that was alive during that time watching boxing remember that fight, but at the same time, Gatti didn't make weight. Haney hasn't missed weight. Shakur has.

A more famous weight bully match is Gatti vs Gamache

You seem very emotional about this man. :lol1: Hearns like Haney had several physical advantages fighting at 147/154 but like Haney always made the weight so there was no issue. What you fail to understand is there is no height limit, no reach limit, no size limit, there’s only a weight limit. So if a fighter makes the weight, what exactly is he doing wrong? Here, I'm sure you've read this or an article like this, but this was about the suit Ganache filed. It may seem to some like the wrong time to talk about this nearly decade-old black eye on boxing given the recent death of Arturo Gatti, and I sort of skimmed past it out of respect for what Gatti did in his career when we discussed his legacy, but there's no mistaking the fact that Gatti's controversial 2000 knockout of Joey Gamache is a story that shouldn't go away until something is done. I loved watching Arturo Gatti. I was a huge fan of his, as pretty much everyone that loves boxing was. But that February night nine and a half years ago when Gatti knocked Gamache unconscious still sits wrong with a lot of people, and Gamache himself, who nearly died from the fight, is still in court trying to find justice. The judge in the case, Melvin Schweitzer, winced several times during the video, apparently troubled by what took place. Gamache nearly died in the hospital that night, and sustained permanent brain damage from the nearly six minutes of action. Soon after, he sued the New York State Athletic Commission for negligence, claiming that Gatti was allowed to weigh in over the contracted weight limit of 141 pounds. Gatti entered the ring with what appeared to be a considerable size advantage. For those that have seen the fight, or even a photo of the two in the ring together, it's hard to argue that Gatti didn't clearly have a size advantage. He did. The weigh-in was the source of much controversy, as it seemed the scales may have been tampered with. They agreed to fight at 141 pounds. Gamache made the limit fine. Most believe Gatti did not, including highly-respected boxing journalist Thomas Hauser: "I don't know anybody outside of the Gatti camp who seriously maintains that Gatti made weight for that fight. They jumped him on and off the scale very quickly. It seemed pretty clear to me that someone at the commission had been told in advance that there might be a problem and the response was, 'Don't worry about it.'" On fight night, HBO's unofficial scales had Gamache at 145 pounds. Gatti weighed 160. And though Joey Gamache has been left brain damaged by the fight that nearly killed him and ended his career, but he doesn't blame Gatti: "He was a fighter, just doing what he's supposed to do," Gamache says of Gatti. "The commission was supposed to protect us fighters." Arturo Gatti was scheduled to testify for both sides in this case. We'll never know what might've happened with that. Now, nobody but Gatti's team and the people involved with the weigh-in really know for sure, and the article, while very interesting (especially taking boxing jargon and knowledge into the courtroom), is an emotionally told tale. Still, you can't help but continue to wonder if Gamache's life could have been totally different, and if it should have been. It's one of those terrible stories that shouldn't be forgotten. ​

You seem very emotional about this man. :lol1: Hearns like Haney had several physical advantages fighting at 147/154 but like Haney always made the weight so there was no issue. What you fail to understand is there is no height limit, no reach limit, no size limit, there’s only a weight limit. So if a fighter makes the weight, what exactly is he doing wrong? I'm just playing around. But at the same time, this is a disingenuous argument. I'm going to try to explain this as clearly and simply as possible. This is not about how long your arms are. It's not. Because how longer your arms are is not going to create a significant advantage over the opponent in the sense that it's putting the opponent at greater risk of harm. Being taller than your opponent is not going to put that opponent at a greater risk of harm. However, having a significant weight advantage does put your opponent at a greater risk of harm. Where having a greater reach can be made into a disadvantage, being bigger than your opponent cannot be made into a disadvantage. If that were the case, then weight classes would be irrelevant. If that were the case, then we wouldn't have the rehydration clauses. (And when I say "bigger," I'm talking about mass.) You keep going back to reach and height when we're talking about weight class. We are talking about "rehydrating" to a weight that is well outside of the weight class, and you are bringing up a guy that when he finally stepped in the ring, weighed only three percent more than what he weighed on the scales. It's completely irrelevant, and that is why I laughed at your post.

:haha::haha::haha: .... :pat: So you're comparing Hearns, who weighed in the same day of a fight, to a guy who has 24 hours or more to rehydrated? lmao :lol1::lol1::lol1: Are you really asking this? :wtf1: Okay guy :biggthump You seem very emotional about this man. :lol1: Hearns like Haney had several physical advantages fighting at 147/154 but like Haney always made the weight so there was no issue. What you fail to understand is there is no height limit, no reach limit, no size limit, there’s only a weight limit. So if a fighter makes the weight, what exactly is he doing wrong?

I must have misread what you said or confused your post with someone else's. My bad. I thought you had made the argument that 24 hour weigh-ins is for the fighters safety, that it was for Devin's safety to be able to rehydrate. I get what you're saying, but this is a phenomenon that occurred with the rule change, and it circumvents weight classes. I get what you're saying, but I still don't agree. Ah no worries its easy to get posts mixed up in here, all good.

Where am I talking about a fighters risk of injury for making weight, I don't say anything of the kind, Im saying if yo can make the weight within the rules and you end up a large fighter at the weight then good for them, if you want to call him a weight bully that's just a slur term for a guy that fights at the high end of his division, many others do the same all career, I don't see anything wrong its within the rules. I must have misread what you said or confused your post with someone else's. My bad. I thought you had made the argument that 24 hour weigh-ins is for the fighters safety, that it was for Devin's safety to be able to rehydrate. I get what you're saying, but this is a phenomenon that occurred with the rule change, and it circumvents weight classes. I get what you're saying, but I still don't agree.

I'm not missing the point YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. Not me. YOU. Here you are talking about whether the fighter making weight is at risk for injury. I never mentioned any such thing. I'm talking about the fighter who has to fight the guy making weight and rehydrating 20 plus pounds. That's whose safety is in question. Not the guy making weight; the guy fighting the guy striking himself and then blowing back up in weight. As I said before, there are examples of guys being seriously hurt from weight bullies. You also see fights were there will always be an asterisk because people will wonder: Did he just beat him because he weighed so much more than him? Was it because he just didn't have the skill to compete, so he relied on his size and weight? But the bottom line is that the safety of the boxers who make weight and rehydrate normally is in danger from the boxers who have found loop holes in the rules to gain an advantage. When these rules were made, we didn't have the means we have now to shrink and rehydrate. It has become very sophisticated. On top of that, it's hard to prove someone is cheating through IV use, and to be honest, if you're rehydrating more than 12 pounds in a 24 hour period, I presume that fluids are being taken in intravenously based on the medical literature on the subject. Where am I talking about a fighters risk of injury for making weight, I don't say anything of the kind, Im saying if yo can make the weight within the rules and you end up a large fighter at the weight then good for them, if you want to call him a weight bully that's just a slur term for a guy that fights at the high end of his division, many others do the same all career, I don't see anything wrong its within the rules.

People only use that excuse once they think their favortie fighter might lose to another fighter that "looks" taller, wider, with more reach, etc etc.

Bill Haney confirms he hydrates 20-24 lbs fight night. He's never fought anyone bigger than him or bigger. Hearns at least moved up a ton of weight classes and regularly bigger than him. Haney is also under 25...........

Rarely do I encounter someone who argues in such bad faith as you. Either that or you're actually are as stupid as I think you are. And yes, I said those things, but I did believe that that weight cut was going to adversely affect Devin, making him slower, sluggish. I also didn't think he'd get a fair shake in Australia. He proved me wrong, and I gave him credit for hugging his way to victory. But just because I was wrong about that fight doesn't mean I'll be wrong about this one. :cool: But it won't against Lomachenko lol? That right there shows how disingenuous and dishonest you are. His weight cut is an advantage against Lomachenko but a weakness against Kambosos? So which is it? :lol1: You didn't give Haney credit at all. Just another example that you're a liar. I'm still waiting for you to find where I made a prediction for this fight. You're not getting away with that lie lol. You guaranteed a Lomachenko victory. I said 50/50. So you're the one that is going to be humiliated if Lomachenko loses. Your analysis and prediction for Haney-Kambosos was terrible and way off. You said nothing about him getting a fair shake. You predicted Haney would legitimately lose. Don't switch the narrative now. I can easily expose you on that too.

Hedging? I never made a prediction you lying dumbass LOL. Go find where I made a prediction on this fight. When you can't find it you'll be exposed as a liar. I don't think you're right at all. Are you too dumb to understand what 50/50 means? It means that either fighter can win. You just guaranteed a Lomachenko victory. That's not the same thing at all. Haney has a good chance of winning and vice versa. It's a competitive fight. How did your Haney-Kambosos prediction turn out for you? "Kambosos is faster with better timing " "Weight cut will make Haney sluggish" "Don't be surprised if George breaks Haney down and drops him" :rofl::rofl: Rarely do I encounter someone who argues in such bad faith as you. Either that or you're actually are as stupid as I think you are. And yes, I said those things, but I did believe that that weight cut was going to adversely affect Devin, making him slower, sluggish. I also didn't think he'd get a fair shake in Australia. He proved me wrong, and I gave him credit for hugging his way to victory. But just because I was wrong about that fight doesn't mean I'll be wrong about this one. :cool: