I'm going to start with some advice for anybody who wants to find out as much as they can about why negotiations for The Richest Prize In Sport, the undisputed heavyweight title fight between Usyk and Fury, broke down. There are interviews with Frank Warren and Alex Krassyuk online. If you want to know what both guys said about the negotiations, and about the rematch clause fall-out, don't just read articles telling you snippets of what was said - go and listen to those interviews for yourself.
I did that and this is what I found out:
Usyk and Fury both agreed to a 50/50 split last year. Fury asked for a rematch clause to be included in the contract and Usyk agreed. They would obviously have both agreed on the rematch split too, because both sides were saying that all terms had been agreed. But what the rematch split would have been if the first fight had gone ahead with a 50/50 split hasn't been revealed, so far as I know.
According the Saudi head of boxing, Fury priced himself out of the fight in S A by demanding more money for himself than the whole event would have generated for both guys. The proposed location was switched to the UK and Fury demanded a 70/30 split, in his favour, which Usyk agreed to.
It seems reasonable to me that, because the split for the 1st fight had been changed, the rematch split would need changing too, because they were both part of the same original deal. Usyk proposed that the rematch split should be 70/30 in favour of the winner, which seems like a very fair proposition to me. But Fury refused that and demanded 50% for himself, even if he lost the first fight. Usyk wouldn't accept that and Fury went on social media saying, "let's get rid of the rematch clause altogether"
Usyk then walked away from the negotiations. His promoter said the reason he walked was because Fury was being unreasonable and they didn't believe he had any intention of fighting on the agreed date.
Fury's trainer, Sugar Hill Steward, revealed that he hadn't been been told anything about Fury fighting on April 29th, which suggests to me that Usyk and Krassyuk were right, Fury had no intention of fighting on that date and they were wasting their time and money training and negotiating for it themselves.
That is crazy dude. Did you not see the Hagler and Leonard fiasco?
Arum is only about making money for his company. If that means doing garbage like this hes fine with it.
I don't know anything about Bob Arum's involvement in Hagler vs Leonard. What was that about?
I have a strong suspicion that Arum deliberately sabotaged the Fury/AJ undisputed fight by not formally withdrawing Fury from his rematch contract with Wilder after the contracted deadline to make the fight expired. I also suspect that Arum is the reason why Fury priced himself out of fighting Usyk in Saudi then made himself impossible to deal with when the location was switched to the UK. I believe that Arum wants Fury's biggest fights to happen in the US where Top Rank, not Queensbury, and definitely not Matchroom, will be the lead promoter. I believe he's basically put Fury's career progress on hold till the Kinahan issue is resolved and Fury is allowed back into the US.
I also suspect that Fury knows what a difficult opponent Usyk would be for him and will do everything he can to avoid having to fight the "middleweight" till he starts slowing down. Usyk is 36 years old now. Fighters like him, who rely heavily on speed and reflexes, don't usually last long after their mid 30s.
I'm unclear on how the guy who took 30 as an undefeated unified champion who's also the former undisputed cruiserweight champion, has won every fight on the road, and offered to fight for free if it would just get the fight made, is being faulted for being greedy.
Leeroy, where's your source that makes this about Usyk being greedy? He just wanted the undefeated undisputed heavyweight champion to get 70 in the second fight. That could have been 30 for him in two fights, and 70 for Fury in both fights. What's so greedy about that? He walked away because Fury was making too many BS demands, and they knew it wasn't going to stop ever. Fury didn't want the fight, and no amount of not being greedy gets it done when one side is ducking.
Next it would have been ring size, Fury probably pushing for a tiny ring. Then it would have been gloves, Usyk only allowed Rivals or Winning, while Fury would use Reyes. Then it would have been how many comp tickets Usyk would get, or bottled water brand. Fury has done this basically every fight, and only fights risky guys when he's legally forced to.
are you from the UK?
that's all it took for you to not be a fan of his?
and fury beat the more notable fighters at heavyweight. the proliferation of title belts today have caused the value of championship belts to drop..
i think you have more issue with fury than asking for half a billion pounds.
I'm from the same part of the UK as Fury.
I used to think that Mayweather fans like you branded Arum the biggest liar in boxing because he was Manny Pacquiao's promoter. Then he assured eveybody- including Eddie Hearn - that there was no way the Fury/Wilder arbitration case could stop Fury from fighting AJ in Saudi if Eddie could get a deal done. Arum is a lawyer with a team of lawyers working for him, so he must have known that wasn't true. But he kept saying it, over and over, while Eddie ran himself ragged trying to get that deal done.
That is crazy dude. Did you not see the Hagler and Leonard fiasco?
Arum is only about making money for his company. If that means doing garbage like this hes fine with it.
fury is the more decorated fighter at heavyweight.
why dont you like fury? and why do you call him a disappointment?
He used to be my favourite fighter. That's why I'm so disappointed in him now. And he isn't more decorated than Usyk at heavyweight. He only has one title belt. Usyk has 3 plus the Ring title.
come on,
fury is the bigger star and is i think the lineal champion at heavyweight. fury is the bigger star to boot.
lineal is an imaginary title. Usyk is more decorated but Fury is a bigger disappointment, that's for sure.
Usyk is more decorated than Fury. He's a former undisputed cruiserweight champ and now has 3 belts plus the Ring title at heavyweight. Fury only has one belt. Also, Usyk's last purse was around double what Fury has ever made for a fight.
- - But Flubber with 30x The Blubber that needs feeding. It ain't easy being Blubber on Flubber...:hitit:
i understand why he moved them. i dont agree with it as a boxing fan because i want to see the fight but i understand why fury did.
fury deserves the higher purse because he's the more notable and more decorated fighter.
Usyk is more decorated than Fury. He's a former undisputed cruiserweight champ and now has 3 belts plus the Ring title at heavyweight. Fury only has one belt. Also, Usyk's last purse was around double what Fury has ever made for a fight.
This one is simple for me.
Look at Usyk’s track record of fighting all the best guys on the road. Look at how he took 70/30 for the Fury fight.
Look at who promotes Fury.
I used to think that Mayweather fans like you branded Arum the biggest liar in boxing because he was Manny Pacquiao's promoter. Then he assured eveybody- including Eddie Hearn - that there was no way the Fury/Wilder arbitration case could stop Fury from fighting AJ in Saudi if Eddie could get a deal done. Arum is a lawyer with a team of lawyers working for him, so he must have known that wasn't true. But he kept saying it, over and over, while Eddie ran himself ragged trying to get that deal done.
He only started saying that after Fury turned down his offer from the Saudis, and it's an obvious, blatant lie.
Back in January, Arum and Warren were talking to the Saudi's, and Arum said they wanted to put the fight on either just before or just after Ramadan, which ended on April 21st. Like I said, Arum is obviously lying through his teeth .. again.
Yeah, I can certainly see Arum lying about having the fight just before or just after Ramadam, and then lying about the Fury Saudi deal. Promoters do nothing but lie.
You dont have to hate anything bud, you've given me what I asked for. Its just a shame we had to go the long way about it. In hindsight, I should of specified Wembly in my initial post to avoid the confusion. Apologies for that.
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cool, yes its quite comical, i reread the initial stuff
i can easily see how it went off on the wrong tangent with me thinking you were lumping usyk in with fury for the saudi failure and then off it went.......
Yeah thats the coppinger quote mate, I've seen that before and nothing else on that date in Saudi. Arum recently said Saudis didnt want it until the winter. But what do we know eh?
My point stands, Fury offered a silly offer at Wembley and Usyk walked away. Neither wanted legacy, both wanted more money.
Greed.
He only started saying that after Fury turned down his offer from the Saudis, and it's an obvious, blatant lie.
Back in January, Arum and Warren were talking to the Saudi's, and Arum said they wanted to put the fight on either just before or just after Ramadan, which ended on April 21st. Like I said, Arum is obviously lying through his teeth .. again.
Because Alex Krassyuk was correct in what he said about Fury never intending to fight Usyk this April. That's the only explanation that makes sense.
u said it, u dont walk away from a big pot to argue over a lesser pot
I hate to do this (well maybe i dont) but i found another article that quotes frank warren as saying the target date for the fight is april 29 in saudi.
"Initially the plan was March 4, though a deal wasn’t finalised in time for the bout to happen on that date.
As a result, the new target is April 29 – Fury’s UK co-promoter Frank Warren confirmed to talkSPORT on Thursday.
If the fight is to take place in Saudi Arabia – as hoped by the promoters – both boxers need to agree terms with the organisers in the host nation
It is known that Usyk has already agreed his deal with the Saudis.
As things stand, Fury remains in negotiations"
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1320606/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-new-target-date/
Do this do anything for u?
You dont have to hate anything bud, you've given me what I asked for. Its just a shame we had to go the long way about it. In hindsight, I should of specified Wembly in my initial post to avoid the confusion. Apologies for that.
For sure, I don't believe Usyk would of walked away from a Saudi deal, as per the article you kinldy provided, Usyk would of for certain taken that (as the article says he did).
When it comes to Wembley, neither fighter would of made what they truly wanted, hence why Usyk walked away. Greed, as I said originally.
There was no Saudi on April 29th, that date was reserved for Wembley. Hence less money than they both wanted.
There were several possible dates being considered for the fight in S A. April 29th was one of them.
Both wanted more than could be generated on April 29th. It was just greed from both sides. Now, I'm not saying I wouldnt do the same, but the orgs and the promotors have truly ruined the sport this way.
I just hope the fight comes to fruition at some point, they both need each other for legacy IMO. Which is funny, because Usyks legacy would of been just fine had he not moved to heavyweight. Furys legacy is questionable to start with but would be cemented with beating Usyk.
Yet Usyk accepted a 30/70 split?
How does that make sense if he wanted more than the fight could generate?
The head of Saudi boxing said the fight didn't get made in his country because one guy wanted more money than the event would generate for both of them. We know that guy was Fury, because Bob Arum, his own promoter, was saying back in January that Usyk had already accepted his offer from the Saudis.
what an absolute dope to do that, did he think he would get that cash in the UK after it fell through, surely even a reasonable fee for both guys in saudi would exceed what they would get in the uk, i presume that is
why did fury walk away from saudi and then attempt to negotiate a much lesser deal in the uk?
Because Alex Krassyuk was correct in what he said about Fury never intending to fight Usyk this April. That's the only explanation that makes sense.
Yes mate, Coppinger works for ESPN, click on ESPN in the article. Take care buddy
I hate to do this (well maybe i dont) but i found another article that quotes frank warren as saying the target date for the fight is april 29 in saudi.
"Initially the plan was March 4, though a deal wasn’t finalised in time for the bout to happen on that date.
As a result, the new target is April 29 – Fury’s UK co-promoter Frank Warren confirmed to talkSPORT on Thursday.
If the fight is to take place in Saudi Arabia – as hoped by the promoters – both boxers need to agree terms with the organisers in the host nation
It is known that Usyk has already agreed his deal with the Saudis.
As things stand, Fury remains in negotiations"
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/1320606/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-new-target-date/
Do this do anything for u?
Finally. My sincere apologies for name calling earlier, its not generally in my characher, and I should have more time for peoples opinions, even if thats not what I asked for.
All the best Smash.
no need to apologies for name calling ive been called much worse than that, even on here
i think i enjoy a bit of back and forth even with name calling (or maybe especially), just get drawn into it sometimes
i do understand u wanted a quote from arum with that exact date on it, i failed to provide that quote (yet, only joking)