Why wouldn't Usyk take 50-50 in the rematch?

Agree with what you say about Fury's actions but not the reason. I think he really likes being Champion. That's why he's prepared to take risks to get there. He went to Germany, he fought Wilder when he was nowhere near ready. But once he's got the belt, he's taking no chances unless he's absolutely forced to. It's taken a mandatory and a judge's order to get him in the ring with half decent fighters. I called it last​​​​​​ week that it would be completely out of character for him to fight Usyk. He tries to avoid any tough defence - why would he suddenly voluntarily take one? Your posts proves that Fury does not like being a Champion. Becoming a Champion, is not being a Champion. Being a Champion, is taking on all comers, fighting your mandatory, fighting your nearest competition. Since Fury has become Champion, it has been extremely difficult for his nearest competition to actually fight him 'That is a 1000% fact'. I am still adamant, and have always been adamant that Tyson Fury does not like being a Champion. You know that he fought Wilder, because stylistically he thought Wilder was a easier fight than Joshua 'This is not a bad thing, that is good match making'. And of course Tyson Fury went to Germany to fight Kiltschko 'Where else was he going to go, he was the challenger'. Anthony Joshua fought Wladimir Kiltschko on home turf, in-front of 80'000+ fans 'And this was Joshua's 19th professional fight'. For me that is a more of daunting task, than being a underdog in away country fighting for a title 'It is easier being a underdog, because the only pressure you have is the pressure you put on yourself mainly' Nobody expects much from you. For me one of the reasons why Fury acts the way he does as a Champion, is because of the pressure 'Fury can handle the pressure, but these games and being difficult to actually fight is how he handles this pressure'.

Agree with what you say about Fury's actions but not the reason. I think he really likes being Champion. That's why he's prepared to take risks to get there. He went to Germany, he fought Wilder when he was nowhere near ready. But once he's got the belt, he's taking no chances unless he's absolutely forced to. It's taken a mandatory and a judge's order to get him in the ring with half decent fighters. I called it last​​​​​​ week that it would be completely out of character for him to fight Usyk. He tries to avoid any tough defence - why would he suddenly voluntarily take one? Maybe he likes the 'Title of a Champion' what fighter wouldn't ? But with that title comes a set of requirements, tenets that a fighter must adhere to 'THIS is precisely what Tyson Fury does not like, so therefore I am still adamant that he does not like being a Champion'. And at some point he may just decide to vacate his WBC belt, to then claim that he does not need a title. It is unprecedented, I have never witnessed a elite Champion with so few Championship fights 'Behave this way'. Note: I watched a interview just before with David Price, and he has stated similar things to what you are saying. Actually Price listed himself as a fighter Fury tactically avoided at a certain point in time 'But that is professional boxing, good match making is about steering your fighter along a path'. I have always credited Tyson Fury career as being a result of really good match making. As Price stated, the professional game is about who you fight 'But also about who you don't fight'. If Fury was not as matched so astutely, Price may have banged him out, David Haye may have banged him out as well. And maybe the timing of this undisputed fight with Usyk, was not quite or enough in Tyson Fury's favor. I am just interested in who Tyson Fury is going to fight next? Price also thinks that it would be out of character for Fury to fight Joyce. I have my own idea's regarding that fight, but that is another topic.

Tyson Fury is not fighting Usyk next, and it also looks like he is not fighting on April 29th. So who exactly is Fury going to fight next? I think this is the question people need to be asking now. I really don't think Tyson Fury likes being a Champion, definitely does not enjoy all the requirements and expectations. Fury as a Champion seems to be all about games. Fury has already played the pretend retirement game, so now what is left? I can honestly envision Fury vacating his WBC belt, and claiming that he no longer needs a belt 'I would not quite understand the reasoning behind this move, but I know for a fact? That there are people reading this post, who can also envision this move being played'. I have always been adamant, that Tyson Fury does not like being a Champion. The man much more prefers to be a underdog, Fury does not like or enjoy the pressures that a Champion must compete under 'I don't think he excels or is enthusiastic about the lifestyle of a Champion'. Since Tyson Fury has become Champion, fight after fight 'It has been extremely difficult for his nearest competition to fight him, it is unprecedented'. I have never seen a elite Champion, with so few World Championship fights and titles defenses behave in such a way. It is also unprecedented the way large sections of the boxing world allow this behavior, from the hardcore fans to the media. Tyson Fury is a great fighter, in today's era of fighters 'But as a Champion, I don't rate him very highly'. Agree with what you say about Fury's actions but not the reason. I think he really likes being Champion. That's why he's prepared to take risks to get there. He went to Germany, he fought Wilder when he was nowhere near ready. But once he's got the belt, he's taking no chances unless he's absolutely forced to. It's taken a mandatory and a judge's order to get him in the ring with half decent fighters. I called it last​​​​​​ week that it would be completely out of character for him to fight Usyk. He tries to avoid any tough defence - why would he suddenly voluntarily take one?

Fury seems scared of rematch. Fury s getting 70-30 and maybe if he beats usy k badly, usy k won't want a rematch even. So why not just sign for fight? Think about rematch when and if it comes

Yes, its continuing the route layed down by floyd, and now spence v bud, and now fury. I cant envisage Ali being like this, he wanted to beat Liston, Frasier and Foreman and everyone, money werent too involved in discussions i bet. No, it is unprecedented from Tyson Fury. Floyd Mayweather Junior, Terrence Crawford, Erroll Spence Junior are all better Champions to date than Fury 'Crawford has been a Undisputed Champion'. Floyd Mayweather Junior has had over 28 Championship fights in total. I have never witnessed a elite fighter within this modern boxing era 'Behave the way Fury does as a Champion, not to this level'. Since he has been Champion, fight after fight 'It is extremely difficult for his nearest competition to fight him'. I rate Tyson Fury as a fighter 'But as a Champion, I don't rate him very highly'.

Tyson Fury is not fighting Usyk next, and it also looks like he is not fighting on April 29th. So who exactly is Fury going to fight next? I think this is the question people need to be asking now. I really don't think Tyson Fury likes being a Champion, definitely does not enjoy all the requirements and expectations. Fury as a Champion seems to be all about games. Fury has already played the pretend retirement game, so now what is left? I can honestly envision Fury vacating his WBC belt, and claiming that he no longer needs a belt 'I would not quite understand the reasoning behind this move, but I know for a fact? That there are people reading this post, who can also envision this move being played'. I have always been adamant, that Tyson Fury does not like being a Champion. The man much more prefers to be a underdog, Fury does not like or enjoy the pressures that a Champion must compete under 'I don't think he excels or is enthusiastic about the lifestyle of a Champion'. Since Tyson Fury has become Champion, fight after fight 'It has been extremely difficult for his nearest competition to fight him, it is unprecedented'. I have never seen a elite Champion, with so few World Championship fights and titles defenses behave in such a way. It is also unprecedented the way large sections of the boxing world allow this behavior, from the hardcore fans to the media. Tyson Fury is a great fighter, in today's era of fighters 'But as a Champion, I don't rate him very highly'. Yes, its continuing the route layed down by floyd, and now spence v bud, and now fury. I cant envisage Ali being like this, he wanted to beat Liston, Frasier and Foreman and everyone, money werent too involved in discussions i bet.

Tyson Fury is not fighting Usyk next, and it also looks like he is not fighting on April 29th. So who exactly is Fury going to fight next? I think this is the question people need to be asking now. I really don't think Tyson Fury likes being a Champion, definitely does not enjoy all the requirements and expectations. Fury as a Champion seems to be all about games. Fury has already played the pretend retirement game, so now what is left? I can honestly envision Fury vacating his WBC belt, and claiming that he no longer needs a belt 'I would not quite understand the reasoning behind this move, but I know for a fact? That there are people reading this post, who can also envision this move being played'. I have always been adamant, that Tyson Fury does not like being a Champion. The man much more prefers to be a underdog, Fury does not like or enjoy the pressures that a Champion must compete under 'I don't think he excels or is enthusiastic about the lifestyle of a Champion'. Since Tyson Fury has become Champion, fight after fight 'It has been extremely difficult for his nearest competition to fight him, it is unprecedented'. I have never seen a elite Champion, with so few World Championship fights and titles defenses behave in such a way. It is also unprecedented the way large sections of the boxing world allow this behavior, from the hardcore fans to the media. Tyson Fury is a great fighter, in today's era of fighters 'But as a Champion, I don't rate him very highly'.

I dont understand the logic behind the purse and conditions being concrete when they don't know the result of the first fight or what it did in revenue, how do you decide the split when so much is yet to happen, just negotiate a rematch after seeing who wins the first fight, the winner should have the power over the rematch, they complicate things to much just make the fight.

Krassyuk confirmed this in a few interviews, latest one is from today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9N8xDKd8CE Thanks, much appreciated.

usyk takes 30% to make the fight happen, usyk wants 70% to the winner in rematch so he backs himself to make it up in the rematch fury demands 70% and doesnt back himself to win and take another 70% in the rematch so turns down usyks offer and usyk walks is this right?

Source? Not that I doubt it, knowing Fury, but I missed that detail, and I don't see it on ESPN, AP, etc? Krassyuk confirmed this in a few interviews, latest one is from today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9N8xDKd8CE

Man, I generally don't go in for childish shyte like name calling boxers but I'm finding myself hoping 'Greedy Belly' sticks to Fury for the rest of his career.:lol1:

Yes, Team Usyk asked for 70/30 for the winner, and they would have probably accepted 60/40 as well. Warren and some posters here were wrongly suggesting that Fury offered 50/50 for the rematch. What Fury actually offered was 50/50 if he loses and 80/20 if he wins, which nobody in their right mind would have accepted.​ Source? Not that I doubt it, knowing Fury, but I missed that detail, and I don't see it on ESPN, AP, etc?

Because Usyk is the man ducking, not the other way around. Usyk only took the 70-30, as he knew dumb fans would buy it, but he knew fine well he was going to pull out at the last minute over the rematch clause. Nash would like to see Wilder smoke Usyk now. Dubois is nowhere near ready. Dubois vs Bake later this year would be good though. Nash out

and 80/20 if he wins, which nobody in their right mind would have accepted.​ i heard fury offered 120/-20 if he wins

- - Usyk wanted 70/30 for the winner of the first fight. The first of uncountable times Blubber shat his trunks during negotiations. Now authorities are fining him for the environmental mess he make...:ugh1::cop: Yes, Team Usyk asked for 70/30 for the winner, and they would have probably accepted 60/40 as well. Warren and some posters here were wrongly suggesting that Fury offered 50/50 for the rematch. What Fury actually offered was 50/50 if he loses and 80/20 if he wins, which nobody in their right mind would have accepted.​

People are missing it's not just 50/50 in the rematch, what Fury wanted was actually 50/50 if Usyk wins and 80/20 in his favour if he wins. This was made clear by Krassyuk yesterday and no champion would accept that. - - Usyk wanted 70/30 for the winner of the first fight. The first of uncountable times Blubber shat his trunks during negotiations. Now authorities are fining him for the environmental mess he make...:ugh1::cop:

I think he was getting far more in the rematch v Joshua though They would not have known as a guarantee the 2nd was going to be in Saudi when the first was signed with rematch clause. The 2nd fight was made nearly a year after the first

That would require Fury to actually compromise. Look at the numbers above. He is ducking, plain and simple. Nothing was ever going to be enough. If it wasn't this, it would be something else. He's literally insisting on giving Usyk more money in the rematch. He only loses money if he loses the first fight. How does that make sense if he's NOT afraid of Usyk. yeh I feel fury is holding fight up. But fury is a good actor saying usy k is ducking, and bug eyes gappy tooth

70/30 was seen as a slap in the face insult, but Usyk still took it even though a lot of people felt 50/50 was deserved But in your head, if he beats Fury, in Fury's back yard with with hometown judges and a hometown ref, and becomes undisputed champion in two different weight classes, only THEN will he be entitled to half of the split, against someone coming off an L bringing nothing to the table? yeah, that's not insulting. Why wouldn't someone do that?