Why is this "he gets hit a lot" thing always being thrown around even when fighter wins? (He's exposed, so and so would beat him)

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This thread is about fans' inconsistencies and no so much about boxers. I made one example. Matias vs Ponce. How many fans screamed, "HE GOT HIT A LOT!!?" Nobody. Everyone gave resounding props to Matias, and not even one mentioned how he got peppered with power punches before Ponce got KO'd.​ Power punches, not even grazing shots or jabs, etc. Why people are so defensive as if getting hit a lot is promoted in this thread don't make sense. This is about fans' inconsistencies, if I may repeat.

Depends on where you are in your career, what level your opponents are, and what your hype is. High Ranking by journalists, fans saying you can beat this legend or that HOF’er when you’re fighting journeymen and gatekeepers. If these journeymen and gatekeepers touch you up and rough you up in your wins against them, yeah, with your high ass ranking by journalists, and high ass hype by fans, you’re over there getting touched up, that’s not a good look. If for example you are Tyson Fury, a top 10 HW, going against Deontay Wilder, another top 10 HW and one of the hardest punchers of this era…and you get knocked down 4 times in a trilogy in your wins against him…that’s way different. That’s more like, damn Tyson Fury is the real deal, dude got dropped a bunch of times but got up every time and won. Even with getting dropped hard like that multiple times, Fury now would be the favorite vs basically any HW. Just an example.

Most people I feel, say it without taking into consideration a fighters style and how they match up with other styles. If you are an offensive minded fighter, then you are more than likely going to take more hits on average than a defensive minded fighter. This doesn't mean that an offensive fighter doesn't have good defense or that a defensive fighter doesn't have good offense. It simply means one takes a different approach to the fight. If you have never been in a fight against a high intesity pressure fighter that has solid power and a strong guard then it is tough to properly assess what is going on in the ring. You begin to suffocate/drown because you can't stop this individual from coming forward all while throwing pretty much haymakers. They may not be landing often or flush at the beginning but you definitely don't want to start getting clipped by them. The choice is either up your pace above normal and outclass them the whole fight because they are not going to let up(run the risk of gassing out at that pace and becoming a sitting duck) or sit down at times and try to deter them with power shots (run the risk of fighting their fight and getting broken down or clipped). There is a reason a lot of fundamentally sound fighters don't make it past a certain level. They aren't able to deal with the high pressure style.

Why is this? To me, a win is a win is a win. Fighters have different styles. Some are willing to get hit to open up an opponent that is shy of making moves and is good at countering. In the end, you lose the fight getting jabbed and pitty patted because you didn't take risks. How many times have you heard ringside commentators say at the last half of the fight fighter B's only recourse is a KO? How would you do that if you're not willing to get hit and take risks? So what's all this "he gets a lot" thing. And to make it more nonsensical, fans don't say it when it comes to their favored fighters. The only reference it has meaning is when its a fighter gets hit its often because of their offence, they take shots when attacking or putting pressure, stands to reason that's when a guy will take shots, where it has merit is when the punches landed are causing effect from guys that don't punch all that hard, its stupid talking about punches landed on face value of he landed a shot, its about when and why they landed and what was the effect, this is why A takes shots from soft puncher D but hard puncher A cant land clean on the original A. Boxing is a very dynamic dance that has lots of moves and subtlety, the very reason why casuals see the things they do they miss 90% of art in boxing.

It's these weird armchair boxing connoisseurs on here, that likely haven't boxed a round in there life but feel completely at ease picking apart a pro boxers supposed deficiencies. It's bizarre and I can't remember it being a talking point at all in the not so distant past. No one's perfect but there is always a ceiling for progression in this sport and showing bad defense in some fights isn't always a bad thing it gives you things to work on in the gym.

You cant jump into water and not expect to get wet.

getting hit a lot is never good for career longevity even guys who are skilled sometimes get hit, look at barrera and morales, both of those guys had the skill to box if they wanted but if they did get tagged they couldnt help themselves coming back with a counter offense and getting dragged into a war, they didnt fight until 40 like more cautious guys You can also have the best chin in the world but if you get hit a lot eventually someone will crack it. Joyce - Zhang and Margarito - Pacquaiao are examples. Just saying I got a great chin and its ok if I get hit to land mine, eventually that comes back to bite you

The concern is when I see a fighter getting hit in the same spot, same manner, same timing over and over again and not making any adjustments at all after every round. I mean if it's becoming apparent that that would make me lose the fight, then why not at least minimize the damage and make appropriate defense? Run, move, hold, hug, clinch, you name it.

Why is this? To me, a win is a win is a win. Fighters have different styles. Some are willing to get hit to open up an opponent that is shy of making moves and is good at countering. In the end, you lose the fight getting jabbed and pitty patted because you didn't take risks. How many times have you heard ringside commentators say at the last half of the fight fighter B's only recourse is a KO? How would you do that if you're not willing to get hit and take risks? So what's all this "he gets a lot" thing. And to make it more nonsensical, fans don't say it when it comes to their favored fighters. Guys with that ''you hit me and I'll hit you back'' style are fan faves for sure. Win or lose. If a guy wants to make progress in his career, learning to avoid some punches is essential. Even when a fisteater becomes a champ, it's usually short-lived. Julian Jackson had a great career even though he was easy to hit. More so with Holy. To sustain a meaningful career with such a ''technique'' is rare.

Kownacki gets hit a lot and it's always been the knock against him. Sometimes it's a legitimate concern

Not all fighters are Willie Pep. Not getting hit in a fight is all fantasy. Well yeah, you will get hit, but the point is to not get hit that much. Defense is a thing that kind of matters in boxing. It's why Floyd went 50-0

You don't get points for getting hit. You don't win rounds by getting hit. That's why Willie Pep won a round without even throwing a punch. Defense matters. It's half of the sport. Not all fighters are Willie Pep. Not getting hit in a fight is all fantasy.

Winning is the main goal. With 12 rounds of action, it's impossible not to get hit. Discussion should be on a case by case basis, instead of generalizing it as if fighters have the same styles. You don't get points for getting hit. You don't win rounds by getting hit. That's why Willie Pep won a round without even throwing a punch. Defense matters. It's half of the sport.

Um, purpose of boxing = hit & not get hit. That's why you get points for hitting your opponent, duh? Winning is the main goal. With 12 rounds of action, it's impossible not to get hit. Discussion should be on a case by case basis, instead of generalizing it as if fighters have the same styles.

Um, purpose of boxing = hit & not get hit. That's why you get points for hitting your opponent, duh?

See post #7 in the first page. https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/37885597/resetting-junior-welterweights-teofimo-lopez-now-champion-next-140-pound-elite See what they have to say about him. People have been saying that Matias is there to be hit, but he's got a chin and his opponents haven't been able to take his power so far. The one guy who did manage to last got a decision over him, but then wasn't able to hang in the rematch. There's a lot of Mexican fighters that like to go to war too. He may run into trouble as he gets fights with bigger guys who are more able to take his power. That's the story of his style. His flaw is there for all to see, but you gotta be able to take advantage of it, and someone with that style tends to be in wars and get credit for it because it's fun to watch. But nobody's going to be surprised when he eventually gets stopped. I think Ponce was doing the right thing with the body work, but he was getting hit too much himself and had to retire after 5. To beat a guy with that style, you have to have really good defense and really be able to crack. We'll have to see how he shakes out against the other top guys before we really know what he's got. I could see him having a lot of trouble with Sandor Martin for instance, and that's leaving aside guys like Prograis, Lopez, Catterall, or Taylor. All of those would be interesting fights.

How is he exposed when he's knocked out every single fighter?? You not on here during Beterbiev fight weeks? He's a face first bum. Frankenstein at half the speed who hasn't fought anyone apparently.

It's about why and how you're getting hit and by whom. See post #7 in the first page.

It's about why and how you're getting hit and by whom. If you get touched here and there but they're glancing blows that you partially defended, or you're up against top competition, etc, who cares. If you keep getting hit by the same shot all night without making an adjustment, that's bad. If your opponents are landing at a high hit percentage (40+% for instance), especially power punches, that's bad, especially if they're flush. You can only take so many of those in a career before the brain damage adds up and you're done. If you keep getting hit because you're being defensively irresponsible, such as pulling straight back, or not bringing your hand back to your face after you punch, or leaving your head in the same slot while you punch, that's an opening that's going to be there for anyone and everyone, and you're going to pay for it sooner or later. Another common one is lunging in and getting countered. More on that in a moment. If you're getting hit a lot by low level guys, it's probably a mix of the previously mentioned things, but at that level, you can eat punches and think you're invincible, but you're going to be in over your head when you actually step up competition. Edgar Berlanga is a prime example of that. 16 first round knockouts against cans, and then as he's stepped up competition, his level has become more and more clear. He's been put on his butt by a guy that shouldn't be dropping him, and it's because he's making mistakes because he's in love with his supposed power. The details matter a lot here.