How would a prime Tyson have done in the 70s heavy weight division.

fraizer was like 210 pounds. i have a hard time seeing prime tyson loose to a smaller man, i just dont see it I didn't say Frazier could beat him I said Frazier had a lot more dog in him, he didn't have Mikes power but a lot more work rate but Mike would catch him as Joe would be right in his face.

fraizer was like 210 pounds. i have a hard time seeing prime tyson loose to a smaller man, i just dont see it

True but real early 70s he was still a great fighter and good enough because of all his attributes to beat a small guy like Mike, as I said I don't think Mike has that real dog in him, even compared to Frazier who was a non-stop pit dog, Mike is different more power than Joe less stamina and less heart, Ali was so durable behind his ability and ring smarts, he would tie Mike in knots and pepper him to death at range, Ali had 3 phases the real early Ali had amazing speed and movement for a HW it was only later when he slowed down that he showed how tough he was, I remember them calling Cassius Clay a chicken and runner he was neither, he was a fleet-footed boxer with a massive heart, it was very sad to see him end the way he did. i just dont think a past it ali beats a peak tyson.....but to each its own...

yeah but a prime ali wasnt in the 70s....ali was past it man.... True but real early 70s he was still a great fighter and good enough because of all his attributes to beat a small guy like Mike, as I said I don't think Mike has that real dog in him, even compared to Frazier who was a non-stop pit dog, Mike is different more power than Joe less stamina and less heart, Ali was so durable behind his ability and ring smarts, he would tie Mike in knots and pepper him to death at range, Ali had 3 phases the real early Ali had amazing speed and movement for a HW it was only later when he slowed down that he showed how tough he was, I remember them calling Cassius Clay a chicken and runner he was neither, he was a fleet-footed boxer with a massive heart, it was very sad to see him end the way he did.

Come now I said a lot more than just Buster beat him, you got to look at the whole equation not pick and choose bits, Ali was the master of pot shot grab and hold, and he has superb stamina and a granite chin, people underestimate how tough Ali was, and Ali would have had Mike blowing flames out of his nose before the bell sounded he was the master of getting in their heads. Mike never showed me he could dog out a fight, he was a bully with a short fuse as soon as guy showed him no fear Mike crumbled as rounds went on, in my mind, Ali had everything to put Mike in his place. yeah but a prime ali wasnt in the 70s....ali was past it man....

Buster did not fight a prime tyson....lets be real come on now... Come now I said a lot more than just Buster beat him, you got to look at the whole equation not pick and choose bits, Ali was the master of pot shot grab and hold, and he has superb stamina and a granite chin, people underestimate how tough Ali was, and Ali would have had Mike blowing flames out of his nose before the bell sounded he was the master of getting in their heads. Mike never showed me he could dog out a fight, he was a bully with a short fuse as soon as guy showed him no fear Mike crumbled as rounds went on, in my mind, Ali had everything to put Mike in his place.

Simply put thats pure opinion, if a former LHW can stop him and a guy like Buster can totally out box him and stop him, I find it hard to believe he could handle super tough iron chinned slick boxers like Ali or HW monsters like Foreman, Tyson lost to the best of his era that's not a good recommendation to dominate any era. Buster did not fight a prime tyson....lets be real come on now...

oh yeah? he's that bad huh? even a prime big george would fall huh? I think so... If anything and OLD 250lb Foreman has more of a chin/chance against a prime Tyson. Mike would have been too fast for Foreman. I know it's cool to pretend a prime Mike Tyson was overrated on these forums but...

During this unbeatable time period who did Mike beat comparable to Ali Foreman, funny how when the comp gets to real elite fighters he lost, you are only as good as those who you beat, his competition was average contenders that were intimidated, Ali would frustrate him so badly Mike would try and bite his arm off, jab jab right counters grab hold, Mike is a meal for prime Ali. You aren't wrong. Tyson not beat anyone as good as Ali, and to say he could beat Foreman or Ali, when we think Tyson was at his best and in prime might be overating tyson. I understand that. But it's only opinions at end of day, we got no answers. Some will say foreman not best anyone as good as Tyson at his best

In every fight Tyson lost he was never at his best. From buster Douglas to the lennox Lewis fight. So losing to them might not necessarily be a barrier to beating Ali or Foreman. People who fought and lost to Tyson and lennox have said Tyson was the best, so that might be more accurate way to assess tyson. So I think Tyson could best foreman and Ali at his best but over a 10 year career he'd lose any rematches or triologies if those rematch occur outside that 3 or 4 year window for Tyson when he was unbeatable During this unbeatable time period who did Mike beat comparable to Ali Foreman, funny how when the comp gets to real elite fighters he lost, you are only as good as those who you beat, his competition was average contenders that were intimidated, Ali would frustrate him so badly Mike would try and bite his arm off, jab jab right counters grab hold, Mike is a meal for prime Ali.

In every fight Tyson lost he was never at his best. From buster Douglas to the lennox Lewis fight. So losing to them might not necessarily be a barrier to beating Ali or Foreman. People who fought and lost to Tyson and lennox have said Tyson was the best, so that might be more accurate way to assess tyson. So I think Tyson could best foreman and Ali at his best but over a 10 year career he'd lose any rematches or triologies if those rematch occur outside that 3 or 4 year window for Tyson when he was unbeatable

Prime Mike Tyson, the champion of fantasy fights, lost by a KO to Douglas.

simply put, tyson is way too talented and gifted to be nothing less than the top guy of that era....... Simply put thats pure opinion, if a former LHW can stop him and a guy like Buster can totally out box him and stop him, I find it hard to believe he could handle super tough iron chinned slick boxers like Ali or HW monsters like Foreman, Tyson lost to the best of his era that's not a good recommendation to dominate any era.

- - Ali had until 1977 to rematch George, so it's recorded history Ali who feasted on rematches and trilogies never wanted to see George in the ring again. It ain't opinion, so don't make me start beating up on poor Ali who was never the same fighter. IMO, the moment had passed Ali for facing George when he left the ring that night in Zaire. George had to be rebuilt. Meanwhile, Ali embarked on a run that in took a decided toll on him but at the time was a sort of well earned gravy train. To his benefit, George skidded some more then went into a decade-long detour. By the time Ali bullshitted his way past Shavers, he was but a mere fraction of what he had been, running more on fumes and bluster than on any true momentum. I consider the Spinks match as almost being a plot device more than any great mountain that had to be climbed. Could Spinks have beaten anybody in the top ten other than Ali that night in Feb 1978? Ali gave us a terrific 3rd heavyweight championship comeback win that September, but the smoke, mirrors and dazzling lights (plus Cosell) were badly needed at that point. Ali's feat of defeating George was a one-off. 1967 was more than a mere seven years in the past where Ali was concerned.

Ali ducked no one.... - - Somehow IQ ducked U...

In h2h he could do well, but he might not last long his good spell. He punched fast and hard and was hard to hit in his short prime, so could do damage, before you knew it you was on floor

- - Ali had until 1977 to rematch George, so it's recorded history Ali who feasted on rematches and trilogies never wanted to see George in the ring again. It ain't opinion, so don't make me start beating up on poor Ali who was never the same fighter. Ali ducked no one....

A matter of opinion. No doubt Ali slept for a month thereafter. In my opinion, if we allowed George an additional two seconds, Ali would have shoe shined him into a crumple - - Ali had until 1977 to rematch George, so it's recorded history Ali who feasted on rematches and trilogies never wanted to see George in the ring again. It ain't opinion, so don't make me start beating up on poor Ali who was never the same fighter.

Totally invalid comment with a logical why its wrong. simply put, tyson is way too talented and gifted to be nothing less than the top guy of that era.......

Tyson was the epitome of the fast starter, and as such, I believe he was very much capable of upending Frazier very very very early. Quicker, faster, he hit harder with astute combinations and with a vastly underrated slippery defense, to say nothing of a 10lb functional weight advantage, Tyson's early barrage would trump any needed warm-up the slower Frazier required. Sorry Joe. great point