Why did Haymon can Dibella when he went over to DAZN on behalf of Wilder?
Because Dibella lied to DAZN and complicated Haymon & Finkel's negotiations with DAZN.
Keep living in fantasy land. The moves were always designed to elevate Wilder to 50/50 money split with AJ.
The reality is that Joshua repeatedly ducked Wilder. I agree with you that after Joshua ducked Wilder, Wilder's team focused on building Wilder's drawing power and name recognition rather than continuing to chase Joshua.
Unfortunately, you're misinformed. Wilder is managed by Shelly Finkel. Wilder, Finkel and Haymon all agreed to call Hearn's bluff and accept the $15 million. Hearn still refused to do the fight.
Your position is illogical. The only thing Wilder turned down was fighting Breazeale on DAZN, which isn't "proof" that he hadn't previously accepted a Joshua fight. You're not making any sense.
Why did Haymon can Dibella when he went over to DAZN on behalf of Wilder? Keep living in fantasy land. The moves were always designed to elevate Wilder to 50/50 money split with AJ. The stopped Ortiz from the AJ fight so Wilder make his name of him, that boogey man stuff even though he had only fought Brian Jennings. Tried get Fury' lineal while he was drugged and overweight but they completely misread that by an Alabama country mile. I know the 50 million yes in 24 hours was real, right, for a guy the Arabs pay 80 million for one fight? You have to be LDBC too.
Wilder never accepted anything bc Al Haymon didn't.
Unfortunately, you're misinformed. Wilder is managed by Shelly Finkel. Wilder, Finkel and Haymon all agreed to call Hearn's bluff and accept the $15 million. Hearn still refused to do the fight.
Proof is when Dibella neg that 120 million 4 fight deal for Wilder with DAZN Haymon gave him a pink slip.
Your position is illogical. The only thing Wilder turned down was fighting Breazeale on DAZN, which isn't "proof" that he hadn't previously accepted a Joshua fight. You're not making any sense.
Wilder eventually called Joshua's bluff and accepted $15 million to prove Joshua was ducking and wouldn't actually fight him. Of course Joshua ducked him and didn't actually fight him.
Over and over Joshua was exposed as the one ducking. Hearn just figured he had enough UK fans brainwashed that he'd be able to convince them somehow Wilder was at fault.
Wilder never accepted anything bc Al Haymon didn't. Proof is when Dibella neg that 120 million 4 fight deal for Wilder with DAZN Haymon gave him a pink slip. None of those fools have control of their careers. I guess Ortiz called AJ's bluff when Haymon turned down the 7 million offer so he could get knocked out x2 to build Wilder's profile instead of his bank account.
Fury has beaten big names.
The biggest name he's beaten if Wilder. There were three big names in the division everyone wanted to see fight each other. Two of them (Fury and Wilder) fought each other three times. One of them (Joshua) has yet to fight either of the other two even once. Despite ducking the two most dangerous fighters in the division, Joshua still managed to lose 3 of his last 5 fights.
Offering $12 million for a fight worth $100 million is something you do when you're ducking.
The $50 million Wilder offered wasn't done on Instagram. You're lying. A detailed term sheet was emailed to Joshua, his management and his promoter.
The $12 million Wilder received for the first Ortiz fight was his biggest payday at the time. He was then guaranteed $14 million for the first Fury fight and $20 million for the second Fury fight.
As already explained, a $12 million flat fee for a fight worth $100 million is an 88/12 split of the value of the fight. A completely ridiculous offer designed to kill the fight. You're right that Joshua wasn't obligated to fight. Joshua was within his rights to duck Wilder, but don't kid yourself, ducking Wilder is exactly what Joshua did.
Fury vs Usyk is a 50/50 split even though one has one belt and one has three. To claim that Joshua vs Wilder should be 88/12 because Wilder only has one belt is lunacy. It's undefeated vs undefeated for the undisputed championship and Wilder was the one bringing the US market to the table. Not to mention Wilder had the WBC belt, which is by far the most valuable.
This is a lie. Wilder made $12 million in the first Ortiz fight.
Fury has beaten big names. The WBC belt is worth more when it's taken from Wilder than when it's taken from Stiverne. Fury is number one. Wilder didn't bring any of that... just the belt.
And no, a split is only a split when it's a split.
A flat fee isn't a split. That isn't difficult to comprehend. Doesn't matter what the fight is worth - it was Joshua making an offer.
Negotiating a split is what should have happened after the offers. But from what I could see it wasn't happening. Joshua made offers. Finkel complained that they were being mistreated.
And don't give me the 50M Instagram nonsense.
$12M in the first Ortiz fight? I recall it being more like $2M and was comfortably his biggest payday at that point.
Apparently Wilder accepted a slightly higher offer so it obviously wasn't a bad starting place for negotiations.
Wilder eventually called Joshua's bluff and accepted $15 million to prove Joshua was ducking and wouldn't actually fight him. Of course Joshua ducked him and didn't actually fight him.
Over and over Joshua was exposed as the one ducking. Hearn just figured he had enough UK fans brainwashed that he'd be able to convince them somehow Wilder was at fault.
An 88/12 split for an undefeated vs undefeated undisputed world heavyweight championship unification is absolutely a ridiculous offer. Even a no name mandatory gets 30%.
Apparently Wilder accepted a slightly higher offer so it obviously wasn't a bad starting place for negotiations.
It's clear as day AJ's team never wanted the Wilder fight.
Fury took advantage of that situation, took the WBC, and now he's reaping the rewards for it.
Fury is superior to AJ in every aspect. As a businessman, as a fighter, as an entertainer. He easily destroys both Usyk and AJ.
He wasn't being offered a split and Joshua wasn't obligated to fight him so didn't need to negotiate.
As already explained, a $12 million flat fee for a fight worth $100 million is an 88/12 split of the value of the fight. A completely ridiculous offer designed to kill the fight. You're right that Joshua wasn't obligated to fight. Joshua was within his rights to duck Wilder, but don't kid yourself, ducking Wilder is exactly what Joshua did.
He got offered a flat fee - pretty reasonable for a guy who was only bringing a belt to the table.
Fury vs Usyk is a 50/50 split even though one has one belt and one has three. To claim that Joshua vs Wilder should be 88/12 because Wilder only has one belt is lunacy. It's undefeated vs undefeated for the undisputed championship and Wilder was the one bringing the US market to the table. Not to mention Wilder had the WBC belt, which is by far the most valuable.
it was multiples of his typical earnings.
This is a lie. Wilder made $12 million in the first Ortiz fight.
An 88/12 split for an undefeated vs undefeated undisputed world heavyweight championship unification is absolutely a ridiculous offer. Even a no name mandatory gets 30%.
He wasn't being offered a split and Joshua wasn't obligated to fight him so didn't need to negotiate. He got offered a flat fee - pretty reasonable for a guy who was only bringing a belt to the table.
I can see why he backed himself and turned it down, but it was multiples of his typical earnings. That's not a low ball.
Looking at Josh resume, he probably isn't coward. Once he beats wilder he will be even lesser a coward! Once he bravely loses to fury he will be seen as a warrior
When you consider who had which belts, drawing power and earnings at the time, I wouldn't consider that offer ridiculous or evidence of ducking.
An 88/12 split for an undefeated vs undefeated undisputed world heavyweight championship unification is absolutely a ridiculous offer. Even a no name mandatory gets 30%.
He’s not a coward
he’s just lost the ability to truly bite down and leave it all in the ring, win or lose. He’s become quite a timid fighter if he’s in deep.
He’s just not the same man that fought Whyte and Wlad. He was hurt badly in those fights and fought back to win. AJ of 2022 would have lost those fights if he was hurt like that.
Commendable, how many times you broke up one quote. I'm too lazy so I opted for a color code inside your quote. Just in case you didn't notice.
Thanks. Anyway both Parker and Wilder had one belt and hadn't beaten many notable names as pro's. I don't think there was much separating them. Either one was an acceptable opponent. I think at the time the plan was always to fight Wilder but that got derailed by both guys losing.
There is great evidence showing that Joshua repeatedly ducked Wilder.
Joshua offered a flat fee of $12 million for the Wilder fight when the fight was worth $100 million. A ridiculous offer designed to kill the fight..
When you consider who had which belts, drawing power and earnings at the time, I wouldn't consider that offer ridiculous or evidence of ducking.
When exposed as a duck after the offer, Joshua denied the fight was worth $100 million and said if it was, give him $50 million and he'll sign tomorrow.
Wilder offered Joshua the $50 million he requested and Joshua still refused to fight, exposing him as the duck again..
Joshua was the A side by far. I'd say it was understandable that his side might want to run the show and maximise their profits.
Joshua offers Wilder a flat fee of $15 million for a fight worth $100 million and Wilder calls his bluff and accepts. Joshua fights Povetkin instead anyway, exposing him as the duck for the third time.
From what I read the Povetkin fight was a mandatory and Wilder changed his mind about accepting that fee.
He fought more notable boxers than Uysk,Wilder & Fury yet they get celebrated more than him and less criticized why is that ?
Are true fight fans calling him a coward ?!?!?
Maybe I have a different definition of the word.
If anything, he's not confident.
Appears apprehensive, overly cautious when in attack mode.
Fury fans are just in love with his oafish ''personality''.