Why is Bud so stubborn saying he's the best at welterweight? He's not.

Porter considers Crawford the better fighter as does Brook. The problem is, Brook was widely suspected to have taken money for a dive (listen to Mauro Ranallo after the Crawford fight straight say, "TAKE YOUR 2 MILLION AND GO HOME!!") because prior to that strange stoppage Brook was en route to closing Crawford's eye completely. Off a JAB. Porter has always been salty about the Spence loss because he felt he won the fight - when getting dropped in a close fight means you couldn't win AND much of his aggression wasn't effective. With Crawford, he didn't show anywhere near the same level of anything that he showed against Spence. That's suspect especially since we now know from Spence/Ugas that Spence hits hard enough to cause significant damage where Crawford just blitzes you to a stoppage or (in the case of Avanesyan) has to go bare knuckle to get a knockout and still doesn't cause significant damage. Bottom line though, every welterweight will 100% say that Errol Spence is #1 at welterweight, despite what they feel about "better fighter". It's not about that, it's about who you beat. Spence beat five guys who were Top 5 when he beat them and took three belts from them; not even Floyd can make that claim at 147. Crawford can't touch that at welter. It's that simple. Exactly. And the thing also is this, the time and context in which Spence fought them all shows a big gap in victory status over Bud's opponents. Well said and explained mate

So when Bowe ducked Lewis (basically the same kind of duck as Crawford), people later recognized that Lennox Lewis was the greater of the two, and Bowe after retirement admitted he should have taken the fight. Lewis didn't NEED to fight Bowe. That's where Spence is right now. Crawford will regret his ducking years later and history will record his career as "good" but unfulfilled AT 147. Facts! Spence really doesn't need Bud much. What Spence has done in his career and division has gained waves of respect as opposed to Bud. This is exactly why there are waves of criticism towards Bud because Boxing fans aren't stupid. We see through the shenanigans. If the fight doesn't happen, it will be Bud who looks bad not Spence.

Yes, to cut a long story short, i'd agree. Spence is no1, and bud needs Spence to be no1.Bud does seem to self proclaim more than spence, which is quite annoying when he's not giving us fight we want. But his last win was good I agree mate. But his last fight against David was not anything to be impressed with, everyone knew what was going to happen to that C level opponent. That's the root of the issue with Bud running his mouth off so much saying he's the best. Your assessment is right on concerning Bud #2 and needs to beat Spence to prove that #1 postition.

Might be good idea for either brook or porter to say who they rate no1 at WW? could be that Spence is ranked higher but bud rated higher

Shrug, he has the best argument out of them all. If you think he's ducking Spence, you're out of your mind. Spence is busy getting into another car crash and fighting PBC fighters. Until they fight, Crawford is #1, his resume and eye test are better. Spence vs Porter, Spence SD12 Spence vs. Brook, Spence KO11 Crawford vs. Porter, Crawford KO10 Crawford vs. Brook, Crawford KO4

Right, so to sum up, Spence is #1 and Bud #2 in welters. LOL! Yes, to cut a long story short, i'd agree. Spence is no1, and bud needs Spence to be no1.Bud does seem to self proclaim more than spence, which is quite annoying when he's not giving us fight we want. But his last win was good

There's nothing in Spences resume that makes him number 1. Danny Garcia 140 pounder. Mikey Garcia 135 pounder. Those are the biggest names on spences resume who Crawford hasnt fought and beat. If anything going by your argument they are both number 2 until they fight and give us clarity

Usyk cant claim to be no1 until he beats Fury. Jared Anderson, Dubois, Joyce, Whyte might be able to beat Usyk, but if Usyk beat Fury, Usyk could claim to be no1. Connor Benn, Ugas, Ennis might be able to beat Bud head to head, but if Bud beat the consensus no1 or no2 in spence people would have no issue with Bud being no1. Bud not did it yet, neither had Sppence. Right, so to sum up, Spence is #1 and Bud #2 in welters. LOL!

Usyk cant claim to be no1 until he beats Fury. Jared Anderson, Dubois, Joyce, Whyte might be able to beat Usyk, but if Usyk beat Fury, Usyk could claim to be no1. Connor Benn, Ugas, Ennis might be able to beat Bud head to head, but if Bud beat the consensus no1 or no2 in spence people would have no issue with Bud being no1. Bud not did it yet, neither had Sppence.

Crawford is delusional. I mean that's all I'm saying. Nothing personal, Bud is a pretty nice athlete in the sport in terms of welterweights, but he needs to PROVE greatness that's all I'm saying. He needs to prove all the talk he's spilling out in interviews and on social media.

What do you mean OP? You're trying to say that going 6 rounds with Borat last weekend isnt proof he is the best today? hell I'd put him the best in the world p4p #1. Plus he called out Boots and Charlo while he had his fight with Borat signed so that is almost as if he beat them, pretty much list those as wins on his resume and Spence didnt sign after he found a $50 million mystery investor so its like he knocked out Spence.

You don't have to stop guys to be a great fighter, its often harder to dominate them for 12 rounds than it is to land a knockout shot, off course the level of the opponent relates to stoppages as well, and Bud isn't fighting anybody worth a fck the best guys one was shot and the other a foot into retirement, you just seen a smaller B grader that can only hurt C grade euros land 23% of body shots on Bud, that's not a good statistic looking at Spence who is monster compared to Avanesyen, you need to look at things a bit deeper youre too invested in your Rose coloured glasses which clouds your vision. Bro that is exactly the issue, all these people protecting their guy Bud are delusional with their defenses. I get it, it's part of the sport and all that but, geez, I have never seen so much delusion in the sport until now.

He's a huge disappointment right now. He's definitely avoiding Spence...no matter what Bomac keeps saying, he isn't trying to make the fight. Won't even fight Vergil Ortiz. That's what it is. TOO much talk from Bud and his team, all over the place with lame smoke and mirrors narratives to justify their avoiding Spence. Just look at Bud on Twitter, he doesn't shut up on how 'great' he is and argues with fans on Twitter when they respond with facts. LOL!!! Actions speak louder than all he talks and he's not putting up to saying he beats Spence and Mell easily. LAME

He's not testing himself. How long has it been since he fought someone worth shlt (pls don't mention Porter) ? That's exactly where my areguement comes from, his resume at welterweight is REALLY mediocre.

Most boxers (or athletes for that matter) think they are the best. Give a boxer a title and that thought is compounded. Besides, those numbskulls over at ESPN keep talking about him being p4p king, even with having one of the worst resumes out there. FACTS. The fake propaganda by ESPN adds to this whole delusion wow.

I have no dog in this fight and I’m tired of this bull**** fraud marinating between them both, but it’s abundantly clear now that Crawford is above Spence. I think he KOs Spence tbh. terrence has some of the best killer instinct I ever saw in a fighter. He’s getting really vicious in his old age I feel you point, but he's been looking like that because his opponents are way below par. That's the problem. I get your point to a degree though.

Then why bother having a go at posters with a nothing post, you are only adding to the very thing you are complaining about. Exactly what I was thinking, LOL!!! They are wasting their time here then LOL

Thats funny I thought forums are places where people exchange views on a common subject, why do you offer your opinion if all you want to be is a heckler sitting in the cheap complaining about the show, analyze your reasons for posting and see where that goes. yet many are commenting on this post which is great, opinionating about a subject matter in the sport. That's what it's about here, like it or not.

How many fighters have openly said they are 2nd best or something and need to beat so and so to be the best? You gotta believe you're the best even if it's slightly delusional. I'm sure someone already said this in the 50+ replies but I don't feel like reading through the thread right now. No I don't think anyone read the same thing you wrote. I get your point though. But Bud isn't the best yet. Hope he proves it soon though. Because the clock is ticking on his career overall. He fights once a year, and by the time he rolls around to fight again, he probably will be pushing 36 years old