Dawson was clearly dehydrated at 168. it would have been a competitive fight if they fought at 175. Ward still gets the victory,.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu50Vh4-tXk
Ward is mentally tough by the way
Why does bivol and the whole boxing world feel the can go to 168 and whoop Canelo easily then? And why isn't Canelo jumping at the chance.
Talk is cheap as I said they all think they can and then when they have to do it, oh sht I don't feel so good.
He wants to beat the guy at his weight, if he beat him at 168 I bet you would be singing about how Bivol was drained as would every single Bivol fan on the site.
Why does bivol and the whole boxing world feel the can go to 168 and whoop Canelo easily then? And why isn't Canelo jumping at the chance.
Because Bivol is an incredibly small LHW fighter. He huydrates to 183 against Canelo, and against Zurdo he looked 2-3 classes smaller
Canelo is in a good seat because he can fight Bivol at 168 for the Undisputed defense. And you’re right, Bivol and Hearn have been saying it in the media. What’s even better is that by Bivol acknowledging 168 for some time means it shouldn’t be a problem for a catchweight. I said this on the board for a couple years, ever since Bivol said he wanted Callum Smith at 168. If Bivol really wanted Canelo, how could’ve also forfeited his belt at a catchweight but never offered it. By Bivol going to 168 means he would be able to retain his LHW belt, and that’s why Bivol was calling out 168 Champions. As a Canelo fan, we saw the Mexican try and failed at the 175 WBA. A rematch from 168-175 is great because the fans will get a fight anyways. This is what most boxing fans don’t get.
More man love………
Stop eating paint chips!!! Every article isn't about Canelo literally not 1 person gets off topic besides you.
Give him a break, that dude’s in love. Someone mentions Canelo and his ears turn into pistol grips, back go his special made garbage door teeth and Vaseline squirts out of his nose.
Chad Dawson said he could make the weight just like Bivol. But I realize boxing is all racially motivated which is why many hate on the Mexican Canelo cause of his white skin complexion. Notice fans says Dawson dared to be great, even with a Hopkins win as an accolade, no catchweight narrative for Ward vs Dawson. Yet Canelo isn’t dared to be great having fought Bivol directly at 175. How does that work? Bivol was already clamoring to fight Smith at 168 before Canelo beat Smith. Bivol still insisted to want 168 after Canelo beat Plant. These were actual Boxingscene articles that I bumped recently. Yet fans don’t like to instigate it because it would exempt Canelo and they prefer any other narratives but that.
Bhop made concessions for DLH. Ward didn’t dare to be great by wanting the man who beat Hopkins. 8lbs is a lot and fans don’t want to acknowledge it, though some do as posters in the thread say Dawson was drained.
it just scares Canelo haters the thought of Bivol fighting Canelo at 168. Even Bivol recently is reneging the 168 narrative because he got the Canelo payday. Fans don’t want to accept that Bivol was willing to hinder his performance like Dawson for the Canelo payday. Canelo gets no credit for going to 175. Had Canelo had management like Floyd they would’ve used Bivols call for a 168 fight because “he said it.”
This dude’s in love but it’s love for another man. Did you put on your pink leotards and matching lipstick before jerking it to your favorite sweaty Canelo poster today? Bad news skippy, Canelo doesn’t swing that way but I guess you still have your sick fantasies.
He made a mistake and was too stubborn to admit he was wrong.
As another poster said, he was poorly advised by someone that he could make 168 easily - so he called Ward out and said he'd fight him at 168. When Ward accepted the offer, Dawson's team really assessed it and he came back and said they wanted it at a catchweight or 175, but Wards team said "Thanks but no thanks - we have no interest in fighting above 168lbs".
That left Dawson in a really bad position - he'd have to turn down the fight after having called Ward out, for Ward's belts, on HBO. And rather than back off and be like "Hey, I was biting off more than I could chew there. My bad." He insisted on going through with the fight.
It was well documented on here that Dawson spent his camp in panic mode, unable to cut weight, got knocked out cold in sparring by Edison Miranda, complaining to the media about having to fight at 168 when he was the one had called Ward out at specifically that weight, etc. He should have pulled out of the fight and I'm sure John Scully told him he needed to, but he insisted and we all saw what happened. Career-ending.
It should also be mentioned had absolutely no one to fight at 175 - Haymon wasn't gonna match Dawson with Tavoris Cloud. Nathan Clevery wasn't going to come to America to fight him. The only thing really looming out there was Stevenson climbing up the rankings, and that was high-risk low-reward.
Stevenson called out Ward when he blasted out Dawson. Ward never wanted that work
I don't remember the time frame but as long as Stevenson was with Haymon and Ward with Rocnation that fight wasn't going to happen. You think Spence and Crawford is a problem.
they both had belts. andre could have equally challenged Dawson for the 175 belt and become a two weight champ.
Dawson is the one that took the most risk in that fight and it burned him. massive mistake.
Dawson was a good boxer who had a lot of momentum at the time after beating Hopkins. I know he was 47 at the time, but no one beat Hopkins as easily as Dawson did up to that point.
Not sure if it was the weight cut or the loss, or both, but Dawson never recovered from that blunder.
It was a mistake to fight at 168 pounds, and I think that is what factored in the loss.
Dawson would of for sure fought Ward to a closer fight at 175 pounds 'I don't think he would of been stopped'.
I think he just got carried away, after one of his fights 'I believe it was during a post fight interview were he called out Ward at 168 pounds etc'.
Because he thought he could make 168, the trouble is and its a trap is they only think they can they don't actually go down to the weight to see. Oscar did the same thing with Manny and it was a massive fck up just as Chads was, if they did a quick 4-week trial and actually hit the scales at the weight they would know they don't feel right, LaLonde was another.
Why does bivol and the whole boxing world feel the can go to 168 and whoop Canelo easily then? And why isn't Canelo jumping at the chance.
Chad Dawson said he could make the weight just like Bivol. But I realize boxing is all racially motivated which is why many hate on the Mexican Canelo cause of his white skin complexion. Notice fans says Dawson dared to be great, even with a Hopkins win as an accolade, no catchweight narrative for Ward vs Dawson. Yet Canelo isn’t dared to be great having fought Bivol directly at 175. How does that work? Bivol was already clamoring to fight Smith at 168 before Canelo beat Smith. Bivol still insisted to want 168 after Canelo beat Plant. These were actual Boxingscene articles that I bumped recently. Yet fans don’t like to instigate it because it would exempt Canelo and they prefer any other narratives but that.
Bhop made concessions for DLH. Ward didn’t dare to be great by wanting the man who beat Hopkins. 8lbs is a lot and fans don’t want to acknowledge it, though some do as posters in the thread say Dawson was drained.
it just scares Canelo haters the thought of Bivol fighting Canelo at 168. Even Bivol recently is reneging the 168 narrative because he got the Canelo payday. Fans don’t want to accept that Bivol was willing to hinder his performance like Dawson for the Canelo payday. Canelo gets no credit for going to 175. Had Canelo had management like Floyd they would’ve used Bivols call for a 168 fight because “he said it.”
I am a Canelo fan by the way. Hopefully he fights Bivol at 168. I doubt Bivol's Camp is going to accept it. They are now the A side.
Chad Dawson said he could make the weight just like Bivol. But I realize boxing is all racially motivated which is why many hate on the Mexican Canelo cause of his white skin complexion. Notice fans says Dawson dared to be great, even with a Hopkins win as an accolade, no catchweight narrative for Ward vs Dawson. Yet Canelo isn’t dared to be great having fought Bivol directly at 175. How does that work? Bivol was already clamoring to fight Smith at 168 before Canelo beat Smith. Bivol still insisted to want 168 after Canelo beat Plant. These were actual Boxingscene articles that I bumped recently. Yet fans don’t like to instigate it because it would exempt Canelo and they prefer any other narratives but that.
Bhop made concessions for DLH. Ward didn’t dare to be great by wanting the man who beat Hopkins. 8lbs is a lot and fans don’t want to acknowledge it, though some do as posters in the thread say Dawson was drained.
it just scares Canelo haters the thought of Bivol fighting Canelo at 168. Even Bivol recently is reneging the 168 narrative because he got the Canelo payday. Fans don’t want to accept that Bivol was willing to hinder his performance like Dawson for the Canelo payday. Canelo gets no credit for going to 175. Had Canelo had management like Floyd they would’ve used Bivols call for a 168 fight because “he said it.”
Stop eating paint chips!!! Every article isn't about Canelo literally not 1 person gets off topic besides you.
Yeah Chad was making 168 very early in his career. It’s completely different doing it after you’ve grown, developed muscle mass etc.
Going back down in weight is generally never a good idea in boxing. 9 times out of 10 it seems to end disastrously.
I don't mean way earlier, I mean at the time you are about to look at fighting at that weight.
Thats why you gotta make the weight first, for some stupid reason they don't they only think they can based on how they made weight before, you cant guess to got to do it.
Yeah Chad was making 168 very early in his career. It’s completely different doing it after you’ve grown, developed muscle mass etc.
Going back down in weight is generally never a good idea in boxing. 9 times out of 10 it seems to end disastrously.
John Scully kindly offered me some insight on this. Dawson was listening to the wrong people essentially. His strength and conditioning coach told Chad that he could make 168 easily. John and other members of the team were against the idea from the start.
Thats why you gotta make the weight first, for some stupid reason they don't they only think they can based on how they made weight before, you cant guess to got to do it.
Dawson is a talented guy, but made some stupid decisions in his boxing career.
Also some questionable ones in his personal one. Who names their kid World Champion?