Boxing is so dead

Can't get with the MMG. I don't fool with no Osca-Meya-Weenah. The Boxing's Dead thing is dead. Its still the combat sport favored by straight people. BOXING'S HEALTH - THE GLOBAL VIEW https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.***...eople/%3famp=1 Boxing Ranked Second Most Popular Sport Among Young People Boxing is the 2nd most popular sport in the world among young people, according to research from GWI. In a series that charts the growth of today’s sporting markets, boxing came second, thanks largely to a boost in interest and an engagement among young adults who are increasingly following the sport in large numbers. ​

I would not call it dead but it has a very very weak pulse. This division-wide inactivity is astounding. This need for fighters today, with 2-day weigh-ins and supposed superior nutrition and sports training needing six to 9 months to recover after a grueling 12-round contest? The cats back in the 70's, 80's and 90's fought three to 4 times per year, 5 times in a few high profile cases. Its cause in the 70s 80s and 90s these guys were tougher. Now they are soft instagram f4gg0t$ and pampered spoiled athletes. (Who wont stop pointing out how tough they had it living on everyone elses' charity)

Yeah them blowing up when they did and their fight being milked for so long really carried boxings mainstream profile for a good 7-8 years. It was also a lucky coincidence that they blew up around the same time that the UFC did, it kind of held the UFC at bay for a while. Canelo, AJ and Fury are a significant step down from Floyd and Pac, especially if we are talking about the US market and PPV. For casuals, sure.

The issue now a days is that there are not many outlets that you can watch boxing especially for free. Almost everything is based on an app or cable service. There are no more fights in the Spanish channels in the US that were abundant years back, no more TBS Tuesday night fights, ESPN Friday night fights, the demise of HBO, etc. You can't even see the progress of some fighters unless it is in Showbox or some star that they stick in the big undercards. Now more than ever the promoters are lined up with Networks making a lot of fights difficult to make.

Probably not. At least one doesn’t think they are “real” fights. Many others don’t think a fighter’s amateur pedigree matters. Lol............... I'm so glad I barely get on here anymore. It's a cesspool.

It’s in a very serious decline though. It was always going to happen with Manny and Floyd’s retirement. Yeah them blowing up when they did and their fight being milked for so long really carried boxings mainstream profile for a good 7-8 years. It was also a lucky coincidence that they blew up around the same time that the UFC did, it kind of held the UFC at bay for a while. Canelo, AJ and Fury are a significant step down from Floyd and Pac, especially if we are talking about the US market and PPV.

The problem with boxing is that these guys want to pad their undefeated records. They are too reluctant in taking on risks outside of the boxing ring in order to give us boxing fans the fights that we want to see.

Not ure where or when but I recall hearing that boxing is dead And here we are in 2022 Boxing not dead , just chugging along as it always has Ups and downs as usual in the sport , any true fan of the sport can tell you this It’s in a very serious decline though. It was always going to happen with Manny and Floyd’s retirement. Fury and Canelo both have stagnant careers atm. Fighters from English speaking countries are all either on the down slope or not doing much. Eastern European fighters in a massive upswing atm. Beiterbev, Bivol, Usyk all dominant. Western fighters doing fuck all relly

Not ure where or when but I recall hearing that boxing is dead And here we are in 2022 Boxing not dead , just chugging along as it always has Ups and downs as usual in the sport , any true fan of the sport can tell you this

The only fights or fighters worth a **** are benvidez vs canelo. Benevidez vs plant i can get up for The lighter 135-140 fighters porentially fighting but they wont actually fight Spence vs crawford Welterweight division is dead. 154 dead all these fighters suck and are not worth watching To make matters worse, not only is it a talent issue but none of these prima donnas want to fight Boxing is dead Ive been watching a ton of ufc lately and its way better. The best fight the best. End of story. No politics. They also fight once a year now...fight 1 tomato can a year. Ive also spenr over 20k in tickets over the last 15 years so anyone not calling me a fan can kick rocks. The mentality of the sport has changed into ducking and dodging, in and out of the ring. At least in the UFC you know you are going to have a fight. Big difference between the 2 sports ofcourse is that UFC is actually 'safer' and by FAR less dangerous than boxing. Sure you can get knocked out by a shot you don't see coming in the UFC, or knocked down and tapped out. However boxing is simpler in terms of only using 2 hands, so most shots you will see coming which will result in repeated hard impact on the brain, which is far worse than a 'flash knock down and tap out'.

Boxing reminds of the WWE of the early 90's. Usually saw some name star wrestling a local jobber every week for months building some sort of story line rivalry with another name star until Westlemania or Summerslam PPV. Boxing promotors are just manufacturing stars fighting low level competition with showcase fights until another manufactured star can be found to max out the money with a ppv. Unfortunately now, it seems like they are putting those showcase fights on ppv. Which is just pissing off true fans, and not gaining any new ones. Boxing isn't dead, but it isn't the premier combat sport anymore. Too many promoters and too much greed.

Do you think any of these posters ever go to any USA Boxing events? Probably not. At least one doesn’t think they are “real” fights. Many others don’t think a fighter’s amateur pedigree matters.

I doubt 2023 would be any better. Most of the fighters are on a long layoff and most likely want tuneup fights.

COVID didn't help, couple of slow years. This year was disappointing. Not sure how much will change next year if the same fighters and promoters keep circling around one another. Do you think any of these posters ever go to any USA Boxing events?

Arm wrestling? What the hell? :lol1: What channel does it come out on? I might check it out next time instead of watching a Rigondeaux fight. Youtube. Then once in awhile, they put together a PPV with 15 matches for 15 bucks. Granted, it lasts 6 hours but you can catch the replay once you order it and just fast forward to the good stuff. If you REALLY want to get into with a big personality that will probably get you hooked immediately like it did to me, look up Devon Larratt highlight video. Then if you want to know whose the GOAT in the sport, look up John Brzenk. he's 58 yrs old still competing at the highest level because in arm wrestling you get stronger as you age, opposite to boxing, thus why I got into it (at my advanced age of 37). The dude has been at the top since the 80s and he's rather a smaller dude taking on giants and taking them down. He just competed this weekend and took down another titan. No other sport in history can you say that. There is also crazy technique once you actually understand it and isn't a simple calling your friend to arm wrestle you on a table. There is so much more to it than that once you learn.

Who knows how many more marketable stars the UFC would have if Dana would share more of the attention and spotlight. And that's the problem with UFC today. Ask any casual MMA fan - or any general sports fan - to name a UFC star, and 99% of them will say Conor McGregor. You'll get a few Silvas and Jon Joneses. But the vast majority of casual MMA fans and general sports fans can't name another current active UFC fighter (and McGregor barely qualifies as current active.) If you look at the top 10 UFC fightes in terms of IG followers, 70-80% of them are RETIRED or INACTIVE. You can say all you want about Poirier, or Adesanya or Usman or Periera or Ngannou or Gane. Casuals barly know them, and general sports fans don't know them at all. The days of Liddell, Ortiz, Lesnar, Silva, Jones, Diaz bros, McGregor, etc. are long gone, UFC doesn't have any more transcendant mainstream stars than boxing does. But Dana was just as prominent when all of those guys were around. Then on the other hand you have Bellator and PFL with nowhere near as much promoter presence and its not like they are churning out stars. Usman is in the new Black Panther movie, Ngannou was in the last Jackass and Fast and Furious movie and was interviewed in the ring after Fury/Whyte, Adesanya is in a commercial for one of the biggest video games of the year, so they are bleeding over into wider popular culture to some degree, although they arent Conor big. Its not the most star studded time in UFC history but I dont think thats anything to do with Danas presence, i think its just the natural ebb and flow of things, and it can always change very quickly. I mean, 2014 was considered a really weak year devoid of stars at the time, and then 2015 Conor and Ronda both blew up huge. Jorge in 2019 is another instance, he went from being a veteran journeyman to being one of the biggest stars in combat sports in the space of a few months, nobody could have seen it coming.

Not even close to true. I'm a big Tank Davis fan. His last 10 fights have all been on Showtime. 2-3 times per year, like clockwork. Same for the Charlos. Wilder too. Spence, Crawford, etc. If you don't know when they're fighting, that's because you're not following the sport. All of those people you mentioned here now fight once a year. Yeah, all of them. (You people need to fact check before posting.) The Charlos now fight once a year. Jermall hasn't been seen in the ring for a year and a half. Wilder almost retired after only 2 loses. Spence didn't fight at all in 2021, fought once this year. Crawford same story.

Boxing is more about showcasing fighters as I came to realize when I started watching. It's nothing like other sports where you follow a team reach the finals and compete with the finalists. You'd be massively disappointed if you're new and expect a boxer who just won big and see him fight at an even bigger level. You might never see him again at all. In sum, it's all about random fights that have no rhyme or reason to get made and sold to the public. Not even close to true. I'm a big Tank Davis fan. His last 10 fights have all been on Showtime. 2-3 times per year, like clockwork. Same for the Charlos. Wilder too. Spence, Crawford, etc. If you don't know when they're fighting, that's because you're not following the sport.

Having a visible, well known promoter with the gift of the gab is mostly a good thing tbh. Boxing used to have it with Don King and I guess today Hearn albeit to a much lesser extent and in his case mostly confined to the UK. The WWE had it with Vince McMahon too. Just having a guy to speak for/sell the product as a whole and someone who the average Joe goes "oh thats that boxing/MMA promoter guy". Its good to have recognisable announcers, referees etc too. Mills Lane bled into popular culture back in the day. Joe Rogan is famous as **** etc etc. I dont think any of this takes away from the fighters themselves. Couldn't disagree more. Every bit of ink and attention spent on the promoter - whether Dana White or Hearn or Arum or otherwise - is less ink and attention for the fighter. It's a zero sum game. When Dana hogs the spotlight at press conferences, that leaves less time for fans and media to hear from, and get to know, the fighters. Mayweather is a great example. When Mayweather was promoted by Arum, his personality and marketability was muted. Floyd was recognized as good, but not a superstar. Arum took the limelight too much of the time and rarely stepped back to let Floyd shine. Plus Arum insisted on marketing Floyd as "Pretty Boy," which was a persona that didn't work that well. Floyd leaves Top Rank and BOOM - new persona, new brand, becomes a superstar. He wasn't toiling underneath a promoter who was suppressing him. Who knows how many more marketable stars the UFC would have if Dana would share more of the attention and spotlight. And that's the problem with UFC today. Ask any casual MMA fan - or any general sports fan - to name a UFC star, and 99% of them will say Conor McGregor. You'll get a few Silvas and Jon Joneses. But the vast majority of casual MMA fans and general sports fans can't name another current active UFC fighter (and McGregor barely qualifies as current active.) If you look at the top 10 UFC fightes in terms of IG followers, 70-80% of them are RETIRED or INACTIVE. You can say all you want about Poirier, or Adesanya or Usman or Periera or Ngannou or Gane. Casuals barly know them, and general sports fans don't know them at all. The days of Liddell, Ortiz, Lesnar, Silva, Jones, Diaz bros, McGregor, etc. are long gone, UFC doesn't have any more transcendant mainstream stars than boxing does.

Do you guys notice how boxing has no buzz at all nowadays? I remember the days of de la hoya, mayweather, Tyson fighting and everyone was talking about it. Everywhere you would go that week people would know about it. Nowadays no one has heard of these guys. There's no buzz at all even for a lot of the main fights. Maybe Canelo is an exception