Floyd Mayweather Avoided Everyone Who Had A Physical Advantage Over Him ... Genius or Fraudster?

Interesting observation. He fought bigger guys like as he aged, but not guys with reach, as you say. Yes. Floyd never put himself in a position where he'd have to collapse the pocket. Because of that, you have to assume that being able to close the gap was something Floyd did poorly. He knew his weakness, so he just never let anyone expose it by carefully selecting his opponents. He would chose fighters where he could control the distance, use his pull counters and just pot shot guys all night long. Eventually opponents would close the gap on him, such as Maidana in the first fight and Cotto, when he fought him toward the end. Cotto was especially good at collapsing the pocket but it still wasn't enough to secure the win. Interestingly, Floyd says that Cotto was his most difficult opponent. And then after that, he said Augustus. That's interesting because Augustus idiosyncratic movements presented a lot of difficulty for Floyd to just pot shot. Augustus made him miss a lot and also made Floyd realize that he just doesn't have the pop to stop larger opponents. That Augustus fight changed Floyd, made him into a more defensive fighter and one that no longer looked for the KO.

Learn how to debate Danny... Again: I have a whole process for dealing with your spiteful and wrong headed rebuttals: Im going to give you the last word now... Buy the wy I can always tell when its a clear "win" for me when you resort to spelling errors!!! Thank you for confirmation. Bye Danny:beerchug: :lol1: Not really. How can you win a debate when you haven't even made any points other than your initial ones? You've not responded to anything you've been challenged on. So, in reality this isn't even a debate. You win debates by responding to points when challenged. You haven't done that at any point in this thread and it's all there to see. Highlighting your consistent inept use of the English Language is just done out of pity in all honesty. I only do that now because I found out English is your first language. In the past I was always under the impression English was at least your third language.

I already did James... Now like I always do because of your obvious handicaps I am going to give you the last word Danny! So Bye now... use it wisely! You literally have not addressed or made a single rebuttal to any of the counter points made to your flawed arguments.

Why else would you bring a fighter into the discussion that I haven't even mentioned? :lol1: How is it hardly retracting when that's literally what you've just done? You changed your statement from "At least" to "whom could be considered". Nothing wrong with that retraction by the way but you've taken that as a negative thing for some reason. I think you should invest in a local Library card; you don't seem to understand what a lot of these words mean. Learn how to debate Danny... Again: I have a whole process for dealing with your spiteful and wrong headed rebuttals: Im going to give you the last word now... Buy the wy I can always tell when its a clear "win" for me when you resort to spelling errors!!! Thank you for confirmation. Bye Danny:beerchug:

It's actually spelled "Bye", you retard :lol1: You have no rebuttal. You've made flawed, illogical points and have failed to address them when questioned. Run along now. I already did James... Now like I always do because of your obvious handicaps I am going to give you the last word Danny! So Bye now... use it wisely!

Yes me veddy emotionally veddy hurt by your incriminations!!! Ouch ouch!!!:fingersx: As a matter of fact... I am |SO emotional? that I am not going to repeat myself again... Your a waste of time to debate because you just repeat and never consider the rebuttals... Lol Retracting :rofl: hardly! By By Danny Boy! Why else would you bring a fighter into the discussion that I haven't even mentioned? :lol1: How is it hardly retracting when that's literally what you've just done? You changed your statement from "At least" to "whom could be considered". Nothing wrong with that retraction by the way but you've taken that as a negative thing for some reason. I think you should invest in a local Library card; you don't seem to understand what a lot of these words mean.

1. again...me no repeat !! I know what you argued and I responded... By James. 2. Again... see previous posts for rebuttal, not repeating myself James... By By It's actually spelled "Bye", you retard :lol1: You have no rebuttal. You've made flawed, illogical points and have failed to address them when questioned. Run along now.

Yes, clearly you are emotional because you've brought up James Toney once again for no apparent reason when I didn't even mention him at any point in my post. That's not all you said though, is it? You said; "He beat at least two prime ATG's", when that isn't true now is it? If you're retracting that statement and changing it to this one you've just said here; "Jones fought two guys at a range where they were in prime whom could be considered ATG fighters" Then that is a fair statement and one that can be debated. Your other one isn't. Well done, you have learned something today. Yes me veddy emotionally veddy hurt by your incriminations!!! Ouch ouch!!!:fingersx: As a matter of fact... I am |SO emotional? that I am not going to repeat myself again... Your a waste of time to debate because you just repeat and never consider the rebuttals... Lol Retracting :rofl: hardly! By By Danny Boy!

No, I'm pointing out that Andre Ward lost more rounds vs Sakio Bika and Carl Froch than Mayweather did at his entire venture at 130 lbs. So, it makes your point illogical that Andre Ward was dominant and somehow Mayweather wasn't in comparison. It's wrong, flat out. What have I asserted? Do you know what an assertion is? You are the one who has made the assertion that Roy Jones beat "AT LEAST" (Key words being at least) two prime ATG's. When it's not the case that he beat "at least" two prime ATG's. You can argue he beat two ATG's in their primes, you could also argue he beat no ATG's in their primes. So, your statement is wrong again. Light Heavyweight was Andre Ward's 2nd Division, that's the equivalent to Mayweather fighting at 135 so I don't know where your brain has landed on that being the equivlent to Mayweather fighting at 160 which would be his 6th weight class, not his 2nd. And regardless it's irrelevant, Mayweather fought through 5 weight classes and those are the fights you're talking about that were "tough" and for some reason are making excuses for Ward's tough fight. If you're only going to include Andre Ward's first division then you'll have to compare it to Mayweather's first division. Who was more dominant? Mayweather by far. Making your third point, illogical once again. There's a running theme here is seems :lol1: 1. again...me no repeat !! I know what you argued and I responded... By James. 2. Again... see previous posts for rebuttal, not repeating myself James... By By

Emotional? :lol1: ok James. Jones fought two guys at a range where they were in prime whom could be considered ATG fighters...McCallum was older when he fought Roy... That was all I said! Yes, clearly you are emotional because you've brought up James Toney once again for no apparent reason when I didn't even mention him at any point in my post. That's not all you said though, is it? You said; "He beat at least two prime ATG's", when that isn't true now is it? If you're retracting that statement and changing it to this one you've just said here; "Jones fought two guys at a range where they were in prime whom could be considered ATG fighters" Then that is a fair statement and one that can be debated. Your other one isn't. Well done, you have learned something today.

1. Your using a specific metric (rounds won) to question the obvious dominance Ward had over his division and opponents during his tenure. No go... No, I'm pointing out that Andre Ward lost more rounds vs Sakio Bika and Carl Froch than Mayweather did at his entire venture at 130 lbs. So, it makes your point illogical that Andre Ward was dominant and somehow Mayweather wasn't in comparison. It's wrong, flat out. 2. Sorry James, not going into your stupid act where you just repeat the same stupid assertions over and over again... I explained about the ATG's... you just do not think Toney deserving... fine! I don't respect your opinion about Toney enough to care. What have I asserted? Do you know what an assertion is? You are the one who has made the assertion that Roy Jones beat "AT LEAST" (Key words being at least) two prime ATG's. When it's not the case that he beat "at least" two prime ATG's. You can argue he beat two ATG's in their primes, you could also argue he beat no ATG's in their primes. So, your statement is wrong again. 3. Ward was fighting light heavy and not his division where he had really distinguished himself, much like Floyd fightng at middle weight was not Floyd at 130... I will only respond to points from you that are new to the argument because debating with you is a waste of time. Light Heavyweight was Andre Ward's 2nd Division, that's the equivalent to Mayweather fighting at 135 so I don't know where your brain has landed on that being the equivlent to Mayweather fighting at 160 which would be his 6th weight class, not his 2nd. And regardless it's irrelevant, Mayweather fought through 5 weight classes and those are the fights you're talking about that were "tough" and for some reason are making excuses for Ward's tough fight. If you're only going to include Andre Ward's first division then you'll have to compare it to Mayweather's first division. Who was more dominant? Mayweather by far. Making your third point, illogical once again. There's a running theme here is seems :lol1:

Lol what. This was written in October 2006. He was about to fight Carlos Baldomir for the Lineal 147 lb championship of the world. WBO wasn't even considered a World title until Margarito lost it. And right after the Baldomir fight, he moved up to fight Oscar De La Hoya. Oscar is a 10x bigger name and a 10x more dangerous fighter than Margarito. How do you duck someone and fight someone better? Make that make sense And Floyd beat the 2 guys that beat Margarito, one of them knocked him out lol, and the irony what knocked out Maragrito Floyd took and came back to beat the sht out of Mosley. Haters are not very smart he spent all night searching only to get blown out in a sentence, he is still reeling from getting reamed yesterday. the goose is a human punching bag.

You can assert your emotional claims all you want. I mentioned six fighters in that post and none of which were James Toney. And for that point to even make sense about Roy Jones' ATG status I'd be talking about Bernard Hopkins just as much as I am Toney. Emotional? :lol1: ok James. Jones fought two guys at a range where they were in prime whom could be considered ATG fighters...McCallum was older when he fought Roy... That was all I said!

Andre Ward lost more rounds to Sakio Bika and Carl Froch than Mayweather lost in his entire 130 lb run. So once again your point is illogical. Except it's not though. You said he beat "at least" two prime ATG's when the reality is he fought at absolute most 2 prime ATG's. You can argue he beat two prime ATG's, you can also argue he beat no prime ATG's. Hence why he did not beat "at least" two prime ATG's. Ward was not past his prime at all when he arguably lost to Kovalev and if that's the logic you're using then Floyd was way past his prime when he fought Maidana. It's just non-sensical as per usual. There's no consistency in your argument. Consider revising. 1. Your using a specific metric (rounds won) to question the obvious dominance Ward had over his division and opponents during his tenure. No go... 2. Sorry James, not going into your stupid act where you just repeat the same stupid assertions over and over again... I explained about the ATG's... you just do not think Toney deserving... fine! I don't respect your opinion about Toney enough to care. 3. Ward was fighting light heavy and not his division where he had really distinguished himself, much like Floyd fightng at middle weight was not Floyd at 130... I will only respond to points from you that are new to the argument because debating with you is a waste of time.

didn't need to mention it James, mean Dan... It was implied in statement about Jones and ATG status!!! :fingersx: Ill let you figure it out ole chap! You can assert your emotional claims all you want. I mentioned six fighters in that post and none of which were James Toney. And for that point to even make sense about Roy Jones' ATG status I'd be talking about Bernard Hopkins just as much as I am Toney.

1. the margins of victory... compare Ward's victories in the supermiddle tournament to Floyd's wins over fellow tough fighters like Castillo... Andre Ward lost more rounds to Sakio Bika and Carl Froch than Mayweather lost in his entire 130 lb run. So once again your point is illogical. 2. It is exactly as stated Dan:lol1: Except it's not though. You said he beat "at least" two prime ATG's when the reality is he fought at absolute most 2 prime ATG's. You can argue he beat two prime ATG's, you can also argue he beat no prime ATG's. Hence why he did not beat "at least" two prime ATG's. 3. I explained the Kovalev situation... One more tme and that is it: "Kovalev was past Ward's prime and ideal fighting weight. Ward outclassed a group of some of the toughest fighters... Guys like Froch... did not just beat them. Ward was not past his prime at all when he arguably lost to Kovalev and if that's the logic you're using then Floyd was way past his prime when he fought Maidana. It's just non-sensical as per usual. There's no consistency in your argument. Consider revising.

My post mentioned SIX fighters by name, none of which were James Toney, yet you pluck this (lack of) logic out of thin air to somehow mean my post was about Toney even though there is literally no mention of Toney :lol1: Still crying like a small baby. It's about time you took your tampon out. didn't need to mention it James, mean Dan... It was implied in statement about Jones and ATG status!!! :fingersx: Ill let you figure it out ole chap!

If you don't dispute that they're the only fights that Floyd arguably lost, then how was he not dominant in his career? Well, your verbiage was "at least" two ATG's in their prime, when it's really not "at least" two, is it? It's arguably two. Definitely not "at least" two. Andre Ward didn't dominate Kovalev either time, he arguably lost the first one and wasn't dominant in the 2nd one either. Also was almost knocked out by Boone. So, no. He was definitely not more dominant than Floyd was . 1. the margins of victory... compare Ward's victories in the supermiddle tournament to Floyd's wins over fellow tough fighters like Castillo... 2. It is exactly as stated Dan:lol1: 3. I explained the Kovalev situation... One more tme and that is it: "Kovalev was past Ward's prime and ideal fighting weight. Ward outclassed a group of some of the toughest fighters... Guys like Froch... did not just beat them.

Paul Williams Blasts Floyd Mayweather: He Won't Fight Me BY MICHAEL MARLEY Published Thu Sep 23, 2010, 12:00 AM EDT By Michael Marley Paul Williams, in his 11th year in the professional boxing ring, is widely acknowledged as the world's third best fighter, pound for pound. He's 6-3, freakishly tall and he's fighting WBC middleweight champion Sergio Martinez, also a power punching lefthander, in a Nov. 20 Atlantic City (HBO, not PPV) rematch simply because neither could persuade any other opponent to step up. Their first fight was wild and wooly. Martinez got floored in the opening round and then the Argentinian decked the coltish PWill. ​ They traded hurt, they traded pain the rest of the way and, when it was over, Williams was tabbed the winner on two cards (119-110 and 115-113) while the third judge saw it a 114-114 draw. This natural rematch comes a week after the Antonio Margarito-Manny Pacquiao HBO PPV bout and it figures to be equally engaging. But, aside from Martinez, foes steer clear of Williams. "They call him the 'Punisher' but Paul is the one who gets punished because these other guys won't fight him," manager-trainer George Peterson said at a New York press conference Thursday. ​ At age 29, with 40 pro bouts behind him, Williams' patience is growing thin. "I don't think Floyd Mayweather will fight me anytime," Williams said. "Manny Pacquiao, he might do it, he might step up but not Floyd. I guess Floyd won't fight me because I don't have a vagina." That X-rated shot, obviously, is a reference to the Baby Mama drama which briefly sent Mayweather to jail and led to domestic battery charges in Las Vegas. Williams and Peterson don't think that Al Haymon's status as adviser to them, and to Mayweather, is what keeps the fighters apart. "I was in the barbershop in (Washington) D.C., the other day and the guys were talking about it. They respect Floyd's skills like I do but they were saying they know he won't ever fight me," Williams said. "If Floyd went to Al and said, "Hey, I want to fight Paul Williams, what can Al do? But Floyd is not going to ever say that. Pacquiao, he fights bigger guys, he's different than Mayweather so maybe I will get to fight him."​ Like many others, Williams thinks Mayweather's obsession is being undefeated. "Floyd ranks himself with Ray Robinson, with Joe Louis, all these guys..but all those great guys, they all lost sometime. Mayweather won't take a hard fight, he won't take the chance of losing." Peterson's assessment is similar. "Pacquiao, he loves to fight. Mayweather is his own manager, he's a smart businessman. Paul is not old enough for Floyd to fight. Floyd likes to wait until a guy is old. Pacquiao is more gutsy than Floyd is," Peterson said. Williams notes that the structure of boxing is that the best often don't fight the best. "I can make 147 (pounds) for Floyd or for Manny if I have to and I would," Williams said. "But this isn't like baseball or football where the best teams are mandated to play each other. In boxing, these guys don't want to give me the shot." ​ {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/%22"}{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}Peterson said their frustration is that Williams is not yet a PPV attraction and that he hasn't been able to show his considerable skills against the upper echelon. "If Paul could fight about every months, he would become a real monster in boxing. Then the fans would see how sensational he really can be. "I think Paul, at this stage, is like Marvin Hagler was at one point. He is vicious, he strikes like a cobra but guys run away from fighting him like they did with Hagler," Peterson said. With Pacman being almost 32 and Mayweather turning 34 next year, Williams feels he will get to the Number One P4P position without them. But, instead of proclaiming himself as a ring great, he wants to prove it. I"d like to be the best welterweight and the best middleweight. I'd like to be up there with Ray Leonard, with Tommy Hearns but I can't get there if I don't get the opportunity." Williams understands the system. "If the fans demand it, then HBO will hear them," Williams said. "Maybe HBO can make the top guys fight me. If it's demanded by the public, then maybe. But, when these guys fight and then take the microphone after they fight, who do they mention? "You never hear them say my name, do you?" Williams record is 39-1 with 27 KOs while Martinez is 45-2-2 with 24 knockouts. 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Given how horrific Floyd/Baldymir was, I'd say its a safe bet to say he ducked Margarito for the easier fight. Insert more Floyd excuses here: _____________________________