Floyd vs Leonard 147

Because there is a thing called TEMPO you mongrel. You dont always throw at your fastest or you don't always throw with all of your power (unless your Cleneloterol). YDKSAB which is why you have Hagler vs Bum as an avatar. Unlike you, I don't do opinions {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/0YFh0AP.gif"}I do facts.{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/i.imgur.com\/Hsl5JTO.png"}​ Well the fact is Srl is a faster, harder puncher than Zab Judah would ever be. Has proven it against fellow all time greats to boot. You look weak just comparing the two. Nobody has time to debate your 3 speed tempo, ceiling fan analysis. Either you the faster guy or not. So, when they are at their slowest, Zab is faster huh. Like who really gives a f##k about that but a ydksab numbnut trying to come off like the be all and end all. So what would you rather be numbnut. The faster guy when you are sitting on the stool in between rounds or the faster guy in the 12th round going to to toe

As much as I was a fan of Floyd as a fighter it's hard to say he could have beaten Sugar Ray I would probably bet on Leonard winning a decision People saying he would have knocked Floyd out I don't see it at all Floyd had incredible stamina and conditioning and could take some seriously heavy shots flush and recover fast so no way he gets laid out but probably out fought over the distance

Floyd does best against slow starters, but Ray was a quick starter with fast hands who could match him in the determination department. Ray’s stratospheric self-belief also rivaled Floyd’s. I could see the first half of the fight looking a lot like Mayweather - Maidana I, with Ray pushing the pace hard and Mayweather doing just enough to deal with it and stay a half step or two ahead of Ray. In the latter half of the fight, I could see Ray solving the Mayweather puzzle. Ray wasn’t bothered too much by the Philly Shell defense, and I could see him putting together some upstairs - downstairs combinations that would begin to chip away at Floyd’s punch defense. Ray was a true blue 15 round fighter and a brutal finisher. I think Mayweather would make a strong showing of himself, I just do not see it going the distance. Ray Leonard KO 11

Neither of them would’ve been able to lay a glove on, Terence “TBE” Crawford.

Ray’s 147 was with day of the fight weigh-in. With a day to rehydrate, Ray is too much for Floyd, as is Hearns. To be fair, 147 was probably not Floyd’s best. no shit, that's what i've been saying. 147 is floyd's 3rd best weight class and people actually think he'd beat 2 of the greatest welterweights EVER???

I gotta lean Leonard based off the fact that 147 is Floyd's 4th weight class.

Is this guy actually making a comparison between Zab Judah and Sugar Ray Leonard? Sugar Ray threw regular punches? So exactly what pray tell, made Zab Judah's punches far more devastating than Sugar Ray Leonard's. I got my popcorn waiting for this one I’m not sure that Zab’s punches were more devastating than Ray’s but Zab’s left uppercut still ranks as one of the most beautiful and deadly punches in recent memory. Before Zab was stopped in round 2 by Tszyu, I seem to remember Zab landing his left in round 1 and knocking Kostya Tszyu across the ring. I remember Zab stopping a few folks with that punch. Also if I recall correctly, it was a short right hook on the inside that separated Cory Spinks from his senses. Zab was extremely fast and he did have serious power.

Both of these guys are in my top 5, huge fans of both and I just went back and watched some SRL so he's fresh in my thoughts. Floyd never fought anybody as good as Ray and Ray never fought anybody as good as Floyd (as a total package) so it's extremely difficult to pick. The guys that Ray looked great against fought totally different than Floyd did. Floyd defense would shrink what Ray could get away with so you can't think about how Ray beat Duran or Hearns because those are totally different fighters and Duran had pre-fight weight problems in the 2nd fight so even that wasn't the real Duran. Although he had a killer offense and fought at a long range, Hearns would gas late which is how Ray beat him the first time. Ray was on his bike early and nulled Hearns early attacks, got him into deep waters and prevailed. No matter how you cut it, Floyd is going to make Ray miss, now the question is can Ray adjust or does it just come down to being able to catch Floyd? Ray had a good body attack and could often catch you with a weird punch angle on a fade-away, but Floyd could easily catch him in the middle of something because he can slow time down. These are two grandmasters at work, hard to see what can only happen through magic. This would be a pickem at the bookies. I would give an edge to Ray because Ray was a natural welter and Floyd wasn't. Floyds best was at lower weights. If I had to pick, at this moment in time I would say Mayweather 115-113 SD with a rematch to follow. Awesome post!

Ray’s 147 was with day of the fight weigh-in. With a day to rehydrate, Ray is too much for Floyd, as is Hearns. To be fair, 147 was probably not Floyd’s best.

Ray is a natural WW. Arguably the best one ever. I hate SRL. Floyd is one of my 2 favorites of all times. I hate i have to say Ray. Its some extra strength kleenex left over from when you was crying about people criticizing Floyd.

As far as speed yes, they were both fast punchers. I never said devastating, stick to what I said and don't inject things that weren't said. Yes, when Ray wasn't throwing flurries, I'm calling those regular punches (as far as speed is concerned). Ray's normal speed level is slower than Zabs, but once Ray starts throwing flurries, his speed increases exponentially and that's when he's at his fastest. :dunce: :ok: So wtf is a normal speed level and why would you judge either guy at their most normal. What are these guys 3 speed ceiling fans? Imo, Srl, is the faster, more devastating puncher of the two.

Leonard and prime Hearns at 147 both bodybag Floyd. So does Sugar Ray Robinson.

Ray is a natural WW. Arguably the best one ever. I hate SRL. Floyd is one of my 2 favorites of all times. I hate i have to say Ray.

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At the end of the day, Judah had the fastest hands in the business at the time. There is no way to truly measure, they're both crazy fast. When Ray blasted flurries he was crazy fast, but just regular punching, Judah threw a lot faster. . Is this guy actually making a comparison between Zab Judah and Sugar Ray Leonard? Sugar Ray threw regular punches? So exactly what pray tell, made Zab Judah's punches far more devastating than Sugar Ray Leonard's. I got my popcorn waiting for this one

SRL by a wide UD or late stoppage. Both great defensively but Leonard was far better offensively. He’s also a naturally bigger and stronger guy than Floyd.

I'm not sour floyd getting a decision over pac, when world wasn't impressed with Floyd's performance, or wasn't in agreement with the result - im more sour no rematch. But wouldn't discount floyd getting points win over SRL in a world where gifts are given I doubt if Floyd beats, the version of Sugar Ray Leonard that got dropped by Terry Norris.

Still sour over Floyd EASILY beating your hero Manny I see. But in this instance, you’re correct. I seriously doubt Floyd could beat Leonard. Most telling factors are pretty equal but Ray’s a bit more powerful and considerably bigger. Leonard 8-4. I'm not sour floyd getting a decision over pac, when world wasn't impressed with Floyd's performance, or wasn't in agreement with the result - im more sour no rematch. But wouldn't discount floyd getting points win over SRL in a world where gifts are given

Benitez had a good defense, but nothing like Floyd's, different levels. I grew up watching Benitez and I never got the hype. He was always like a B+ level guy compared to what was on the field. When he was 35-0 he was fighting guys that were literally 4-4, when he was 30-0 he was fighting 8-9's. Name me his top 5 wins, hell, give me his top 3? Benitez is highly romanticized. You're really comparing Benitez to Floyd, silly! I don't think Hearns decapitates Floyd in the slightest. He didn't even come close to decapitating Ray who's defense was a letter grade less than Floyds, real talk. I agree, 147 wasn't his best, but I got refreshed today on both fighters and I stand behind what I said. Floyd has every tool in the book and his timing is nothing like Ray has ever faced. When you fought Hearns, you knew the fan blades were coming at you, you don't know what Floyd is going to do. Floyds angles are crazy. Stab jab, pull counter, vertical punches, his right hand to the body, check hooks, guard checks the vertical straight right to the body, elbow defense hell, shell, etc. You got to admit Floyds angles are grand master level and not a soul was doing what he did back then. Give the guy his due credit. Hearns didn't throw punches at the same angles and Hearns style is tailor made for Floyds defense. Go back and watch the first few rounds of Leond vs Hearns 1. Simple lateral movement really took the wind out of Tommy's sails. Floyd beats Manny at any degree of physiology, Trampler knew it and that's why they smoke-screened him for years. If you want to go down that road I can punish you in brutal fashion, just keep me posted. I don't rate Hagler that high tbh. I loved Hagler as a kid, great personality, excellent energy but his record has *'s all over it. Ray vs Hagler is very much akin to Floyd vs Manny. Zab has some of the fastest hands in boxing history, what are you talking about? Additionally, Floyd dominated Judah: Glen Hamada 119-109 Dave Moretti 116-112 Jerry Roth 117-111. When Roth scores you 117, you know you dominated. Nobody said that but you, stick to the script. Zab judah without a doubt won the first 4 rounds INCLUDING a knockdown that was missed along with the 12th.. That 119 score was bullshit and you know that lol. As far as Zab's hands, Leonard was taller, faster, with more power. If floyd at 147 struggled with the power and jab of judah, what would he have done with Hearns and leonard??????

floyd is superior in nearly every way. Ray has an inch height, power and a larger frame. is that enough? i dont think so. I dont see floyd being outboxed, he is more accurate and has better defense and is faster. Floyd even has the reach advantage. Floyd is all of that against slow flat footed over the hill fighters. Saying Floyd is faster than Srl now that is definitely a stretch. The best prime welterweight Floyd beat is still Ricky Hatton, and he was a transplanted welterweight.