Prime Povetkin vs. Prime Luis Ortiz

Povetkin was good, but also predictable. Prime Ortiz with his reflexes, southpaw angles, and counterpunching would give Povetkin a helluva fight.

Ortiz isn't in that kind of company.

Povetkin. Never has a fighter been so exalted for a win over Bryant Jennings. Ortiz lies about his age and has accomplished nothing as a pro or amateur. Both are drug cheats though.

I think it's clearly Povetkin, and it's not close. He was easily the number 3 guy for like 15 years. Beat the likes of Larry Donald, Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers in the late 2000, Beat Chagaev, Huck and Rahman in the early 2010s. KOed Charr, Perez, and Takam back toback to back in the mid 2010s, and had his swan song with the Price and Whyte KO's in the late 2010s. He also be Hughie Fury, Hunter(draw but he won that fight), and a myriad of other contenders through his career. He also gave a good showing against Joshua when he was old. He is broadline HoF. To be frank, Ortiz is not even in the discussion. yuuuuuuuuup

This too... but he does have a better resume still than Ortiz So untimately it's someone's management decides who wins head to head?

Actually he went distance with Wlad. But Wlad dropped him couple of times. Even with jab :cool: {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tKlitchkoVSPovetkin.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t1.62 MB ID:\t31555734","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31555734","data-size":"full","title":"KlitchkoVSPovetkin.gif"} {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%BE-vs-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-904607.gif","data-attachmentid":31555743} For some reason I read this thread I was thinking about Tomasz Adamek lol

I will go with Ortiz

anyone else?

Pèrez was nothing compared to ortiz... Ortiz that fought wilder would have dominated Andy he's just too old Well Perez did beat Ortiz in the amateurs and at the time he lost to Povetkin he was highly regarded. People seem to think Ortiz suddenly got old now, he was already pretty old when Wilder fought him, most probably in his mid-forties. Hammer dropped him too so his punch resistance was gone already back then.

Just look at their resumes, not even close, neither as pro nor as amateur. Povetkin would have outboxed him and KO'ed him, too fast and too skilled. Have a look at the Mike Perez fight, he was another slick skilled southpaw Cuban with extensive amateur background and he actually beat Ortiz in the amateurs. Pèrez was nothing compared to ortiz... Ortiz that fought wilder would have dominated Andy he's just too old

Povetkin got a gift vs Marco Huck This too... but he does have a better resume still than Ortiz

Povetkin got a gift vs Marco Huck

Povetkin is more accomplished and has the better resume but I think Ortiz smokes him head-to-head. Prime for prime

Povetkin. But Ortiz has more power. Povetkin UD 116-112 or 117-111 Povetkin scored more one punch KOs than Ortiz against higher level opponents. He was a guy who generated power from his legs by stepping in quickly with his punches .But as he got older he couldn't close the distance quickly enough to land the big shots cleanly. He was a short HW with short arms. Lack of foot speed later in his career was a big handicap to him.

When was Prime Ortiz? 45? Ortiz hasn't done much to suggest he could beat any top 10 boxer, besides outbox Wilder for 95% of rounds - but Wilder gets outboxed by literally everyone.

Toss up. Similar level fighters.

Just look at their resumes, not even close, neither as pro nor as amateur. Povetkin would have outboxed him and KO'ed him, too fast and too skilled. Have a look at the Mike Perez fight, he was another slick skilled southpaw Cuban with extensive amateur background and he actually beat Ortiz in the amateurs.

Povetkin all day. Went the distance with Vitali. Actually he went distance with Wlad. But Wlad dropped him couple of times. Even with jab :cool: {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tKlitchkoVSPovetkin.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t1.62 MB ID:\t31555734","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31555734","data-size":"full","title":"KlitchkoVSPovetkin.gif"} {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%BA%D0%B8-%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%BE-vs-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD-%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-904607.gif","data-attachmentid":31555743}

I think it's clearly Povetkin, and it's not close. He was easily the number 3 guy for like 15 years. Beat the likes of Larry Donald, Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers in the late 2000, Beat Chagaev, Huck and Rahman in the early 2010s. KOed Charr, Perez, and Takam back toback to back in the mid 2010s, and had his swan song with the Price and Whyte KO's in the late 2010s. He also be Hughie Fury, Hunter(draw but he won that fight), and a myriad of other contenders through his career. He also gave a good showing against Joshua when he was old. He is broadline HoF. To be frank, Ortiz is not even in the discussion.

Povetkin all day. Went the distance with Vitali.