How did I forget about his CW run when that wasn't the topic of discussion?
You people get your teeth kicked in and change the goal posts almost every single time. Lest you forget =--->
Funny you mention female, because changing the goal posts is a very female quality. I dated this girl way back in the day and every time she was wrong she changed the goal posts to the point it turned into completely different topics. We started aruging abot something dumb one night and I was like: let's see how long she'll go =---> 4 hours later she was still changing the goalposts, true story. Lunatic!
You lose you lose. :dunno:
The fact he was previously a cruiser and dominated there and then jumped up to Heavy obviously amplifies his resume. Same reason why Evander is very underrated now. Ai fought nothing but bums pretty much. How would Frazier and Foreman do at heavyweight today? Lol
Maybe someone that was around at the time can compare his cruiser run to Usyk’s. Holyfield never went through the top dogs at heavy to get his belts. Great win over Tyson but got beat by Lewis twice and had a sketchy record at heavyweight.
This is the thing- according to public records- Holyfield was Undisputed at BOTH Cruiserweight and Heavyweight. It's not your job to say who he did or didn't fight to get his titles- that's where your entitlement clashes with your point.
It may be some bias on your end but you've rendered yourself incorrect in that sense.
If the history books says he was Undisputed in both weight classes, then that's just what it is. I'm not here to argue his competition.
Oh yea, beating the likes of =--->
Chazz
Chisora
AJ
Fury
is soooo much more than beating the likes of =--->
Moore
Liston
Patterson
Chuvalo
Terrell
Foley
Quarry
Bonavena
Frazier
Ellis
Foster
Norton
Foreman
Wepner
Lyle
Shavers
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Vast majority are straight BUMS. And you neglected to mention Usyk’s cruiser run which was stellar. And also no losses
Wasn't Holyfield Undisputed at both Cruiserweight and Heavyweight?
Maybe someone that was around at the time can compare his cruiser run to Usyk’s. Holyfield never went through the top dogs at heavy to get his belts. Great win over Tyson but got beat by Lewis twice and had a sketchy record at heavyweight.
Probably surpasses Ali as the best heavyweight ever if he beats Fury.
Also the fight 100% can not happen in Saudi. Awful atmosphere
Wasn't Holyfield Undisputed at both Cruiserweight and Heavyweight?
Oh yea, beating the likes of =--->
Chazz
Chisora
AJ
Fury
is soooo much more than beating the likes of =--->
Moore
Liston
Patterson
Chuvalo
Terrell
Foley
Quarry
Bonavena
Frazier
Ellis
Foster
Norton
Foreman
Wepner
Lyle
Shavers
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Woke modern feminist boxing fans can't look into the past it's all about change ,mainly transitioning into females unfortunately
Usyk decimating Cruiser and Heavy, becoming undisputed in both and then riding off into the sunset undefeated is better than anything any heavy has done in history. And it’s not close.
he won’t beat Fury though. He can beat him but he’s a big underdog
I don't think so ,Fury will be past it if usyk wins and Joshua is Joshua
Depends how you rate these heavyweights
Fury has beat Wilder who beat nobody prior but propaganda for the fight hype says he's more dangerous than the likes of foreman
You can eat it up all you like it will still be some achievement but greatest heavyweight of all time I personally think not
And if usyk beats Fury just shows you that Ali would have boxed circles round today's crop
He can beat fury, we must accept that. But he don't become greater than Ali. He's need to beat wilder also and some more top 10s.
Just like fury needs to beat josh also
Usyk decimating Cruiser and Heavy, becoming undisputed in both and then riding off into the sunset undefeated is better than anything any heavy has done in history. And it’s not close.
he won’t beat Fury though. He can beat him but he’s a big underdog
He can beat fury, we must accept that. But he don't become greater than Ali. He's need to beat wilder also and some more top 10s.
Just like fury needs to beat josh also
yes and I think he can do it too. he would make "2fast" fury look slow imo.
Huge disadvantages to overcome though. Reach height and weight. He just did it with Joshua but Fury is a whole new kettle of fish.
he’ll leave his arms out there and weigh down on him, make it ugly etc.
the judges could be in Usyks favour due to the Ukraine situation though. It will be weird having a non-North American that is odds on to be recipient of a robbery.
Yes. Destroyed competetion in Cruisergweight divion in order to become Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion.
Then destoyed it once again but in Heavyweight division in order to become Undisputed Heavyweight Champion.