"Beterbiev is not in my league" James Toney

Toney's chin is an all time great one. What makes you believe Beterbiev hits harder than Hasim Rahman or Sam Peter? lol Rahman and Peter did not have a great variety of punches and lacked skill to be true elites. Sure, they had enormous power but lacked the skillset to trap you or put you in a position to hurt you if you were as skilled as Toney. Beterbiev punches differently - his form and variety is totally different. Sure he doesn't hit as hard as a HW but he'll hit you a lot more than them and he'll be able to trap you, cut you off and maul you in ways these big lumbering oafs could not do.

I love James but Beterbiev would hurt him over 12 real bad, he might not stop him because of James's chin and toughness but Beterbiev's style is all wrong for James. What does Iceman John Scully think? He used to spar with Toney and now he is one of the trainers for Beterbiev why don't you tag him and ask him? He doesn't show his face all that often these days but he pops up now and again. Suspect he might go with diplomatic non-commital here though.

They're barely similar at all. What similarities between them do you see? Because they block punches with their shoulder they are similar? They are almost nothing alike in style. - - Look closely to see Two Ton Face attached on his shoulder, hence he never distinguished between blocking punches wif his ugly mug or his shoulder.

Toney-Beterbiev is a great matchup. The most common way it plays out is Beterbiev as the aggressor at mid range with frequent close range exchanges. Beterbiev’s preference is to press and attack on the inside, while JT’s is to be pressed and counterattack on the inside, and I see Beterbiev being drawn into an inside fight and Toney getting the better of the exchanges. There are so few elite close range fighters like Toney today at 175 that we might never see him against that style. But if Canelo ever fights Beterbiev, I do see that fight being the closest to Toney-Beterbiev and it would be a war. - - What Grade U in this year?

They're barely similar at all. What similarities between them do you see? Because they block punches with their shoulder they are similar? They are almost nothing alike in style. I think Toney's variation looks like Moorer's. he positions himself at the same angle which is integral to how the roll is used. Walcott uses his shoulder movements from a squared up position, or while setting up footwork in a different way entirely. As far as Charle's never really l;ookled at how he used/if he used the shoulder roll per se.

This fight would go like ward vs kovalev Nsb would all pick Bertebiev because they are all racist, then Toney would school him on the ring, Bertebiev wouldn't be able to handle a brother styling on him and would cowardly quit like Kovalev. Eastern euro robobum is an easy style for toney Easy work for Beter

As I said, Toney was a fat man at 175.

Toney-Beterbiev is a great matchup. The most common way it plays out is Beterbiev as the aggressor at mid range with frequent close range exchanges. Beterbiev’s preference is to press and attack on the inside, while JT’s is to be pressed and counterattack on the inside, and I see Beterbiev being drawn into an inside fight and Toney getting the better of the exchanges. There are so few elite close range fighters like Toney today at 175 that we might never see him against that style. But if Canelo ever fights Beterbiev, I do see that fight being the closest to Toney-Beterbiev and it would be a war.

Arthur may not not Toney out but once he tasted the power he would probably be back peddling all night and lose a decision.

I don't know if they are polar opposites of each other. But don't gloss over the obvious, glaring similarity between them as fighters. “You seen me, right, you seen mine, my shoulder roll? Mine’s real, the real one to do it,” Toney said. “I am the shoulder roll king, period. Hands down. It came from Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles – ‘The Cincinnati Cobra,’ those were the originators. I just picked it up and added my polish to it.” https://youtu.be/CmqYK3X3E3A They're barely similar at all. What similarities between them do you see? Because they block punches with their shoulder they are similar? They are almost nothing alike in style.

What's that got to do with the fact that Toney and Ezzard Charles are polar opposites as fighters? Mike Tyson studied hours of tapes of Kid Gavilan and Sugar Ray Robinson. He fights polar opposite to both. Mayweather studied hours of tape of Roberto Duran. He fights polar opposite to him. In all honesty Toney fights nothing like any of the above you listed, perhaps closest being Archie Moore but obviously Archie Moore is in a total different stratosphere compared to Toney as a fighter. I don't know if they are polar opposites of each other. But don't gloss over the obvious, glaring similarity between them as fighters. “You seen me, right, you seen mine, my shoulder roll? Mine’s real, the real one to do it,” Toney said. “I am the shoulder roll king, period. Hands down. It came from Jersey Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles – ‘The Cincinnati Cobra,’ those were the originators. I just picked it up and added my polish to it.” https://youtu.be/CmqYK3X3E3A

I actually think Toney out boxed him just what he did to Vassily Jirov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWfT1FVoHVg I remember watching this fight live it was one of Toney's best performances really good fight .............

Exactly, which makes you a fucking clown doesn't it :lol1: Better than a CRAZY menstrating cumguzzlinggutterKUNT.

I said I responded to a stupid subject. Now I’m realizing it’s just a man with a manjina, ON THE RAG. Try taking a Midol and make us all feel better you twat. Exactly, which makes you a fucking clown doesn't it :lol1:

Are you not aware that you are the one that replied to the thread, you dumb cunt? I said I responded to a stupid subject. Now I’m realizing it’s just a man with a manjina, ON THE RAG. Try taking a Midol and make us all feel better you twat.

Could it be because you can’t stop responding?? I responded to a dummy. Don’t back it up with stupid. Are you not aware that you are the one that replied to the thread, you dumb cunt?

I'd put my money on Toney.

What makes you think I care in the slightest about your opinion? Could it be because you can’t stop responding?? I responded to a dummy. Don’t back it up with stupid.

Yup, you just can’t fix stupid. I’ve learned my lesson. Says the moron who responds to a thread that he deems not worthy of being thread worthy, by posting in said thread..... What makes you think I care in the slightest about your opinion? Now run along, you clown.

I can make a topic on whatever I want to mate. If it doesn't interest you, don't post in the thread you clown. Yup, you just can’t fix stupid. I’ve learned my lesson.