Vergil Ortiz vs Jaron Ennis -- who exactly is ducking this fight?

If I were one of them (Ennis, Ortiz) I would send feelers that I'm ready for the fight. Not exactly expecting offers would be flying and landing all over the place. The aim is just to see reactions, put something out there for people to talk about. Fight doesn't have to happen soon. So... I have to agree that these folks are lifeless, they're not creative in coming up with unique things to promote themselves. Excellent post. I'll still keep watching them. I don't really wish anyone to fail. They need to talk more crap.

If I were one of them (Ennis, Ortiz) I would send feelers that I'm ready for the fight. Not exactly expecting offers would be flying and landing all over the place. The aim is just to see reactions, put something out there for people to talk about. Fight doesn't have to happen soon. So... I have to agree that these folks are lifeless, they're not creative in coming up with unique things to promote themselves.

No takers, and Arum is stuck with the bill.

No takers? What are you talking about? Kambosos wants the rematch and Arum is hoping to get Loma a shot. It because of the belts Loma is a non-entity in the division for now. Kambosos is a bum. Arum is looking into ways to get out of it. That fight put everyone around the world into a snooze. Rematch? Hell to the no.

Bro, look at Haney. I remember you wanting Haney and the Charlos to get some shine, even Andrade. You made threads like this one about them. I really respect that, critical or not. Haney has all the belts now, but no takers. What's going on here? Shouldn't the main divisional rivals jump at the "undisputed" BS? No takers? What are you talking about? Kambosos wants the rematch and Arum is hoping to get Loma a shot. It because of the belts

I don't know man. Years ago there was no such thing as internet and social media. Yet somehow many fighters in the division established themselves well and became huge part of boxing history. But we'll see. Bro, look at Haney. I remember you wanting Haney and the Charlos to get some shine, even Andrade. You made threads like this one about them. I really respect that, critical or not. Haney has all the belts now, but no takers. What's going on here? Shouldn't the main divisional rivals jump at the "undisputed" BS?

There’s a lot of factors and by the looks of it some of what I have to say has been said already. But I’ll try to add my two cents. People have already covered how this matchup, even though it’d be epic if it did happen, would be high risk and low reward for these two fighters who both believe they’ve been doing enough to deserve a title shot and don’t feel like they need to fight each other first in order to prove that. To them, this fight will only be worthwhile when one of them has the title. But there might also be a conflict of interest with their promotion companies. Ennis currently has a multi-fight contract with Showtime, while Ortiz is with Golden Boy Promotions and DAZN who last I checked aren’t on good terms with Showtime. This is supposedly the reason why Davis vs Garcia also hasn’t happened and yet and probably won’t happen anytime soon.

Bam Rodriguez is a potential star. He needs a much larger exposure than a random, haphazard app only the hardcores know about. That's a star killer.

I don't know man. Years ago there was no such thing as internet and social media. Yet somehow many fighters in the division established themselves well and became huge part of boxing history. But we'll see. I'm not saying they are not good boxers. They are. People usually recognize a shining star when they first see one, unless they are haters. It's a rare quality. I don't think either has that. We'll see. So far the fans' estimation of these two doesn't much their accomplishments, IMO. Years ago, I just watched HBO and ESPN, and I didn't know any promoters. Boxing has to adjust with the times, I guess. We can't whine about it too much.

Boxing is a demand and supply thing as well. I don't see the big demand, other than a couple of hardcore fans like yourself. Neither has a personality. They are not out there hyping themselves or calling out the fighters they want repeatedly until they get it, even against each other. They need to market themselves. They're too quiet. Nobody is gonna come to them. Ryan Garcia has the right idea. He's keeping his name out there, although he does nothing about it. I don't know man. Years ago there was no such thing as internet and social media. Yet somehow many fighters in the division established themselves well and became huge part of boxing history. But we'll see.

That's like chicken and egg thing, or like trying to put the cart ahead of the horse. You can't get established by just fighting showcase fights after another. They have two choices. Fight now and winner becomes a star early, or take the long-term route fighting nobodies. Which even then is equally fraught with uncertainties. Boxing is a demand and supply thing as well. I don't see the big demand, other than a couple of hardcore fans like yourself. Neither has a personality. They are not out there hyping themselves or calling out the fighters they want repeatedly until they get it, even against each other. They need to market themselves. They're too quiet. Nobody is gonna come to them. Ryan Garcia has the right idea. He's keeping his name out there, although he does nothing about it.

Maybe because other than the hardcores nobody knows them. That's like chicken and egg thing, or like trying to put the cart ahead of the horse. You can't get established by just fighting showcase fights after another. They have two choices. Fight now and winner becomes a star early, or take the long-term route fighting nobodies. Which even then is equally fraught with uncertainties.

Who do you have in mind? I can't think of any. The Pacman? I'm sure he can use some more coin. Josesito Lopez? Broner?

I’ll be honest, I hate the “business” part of boxing but it’s reality. To answer your question “BOTH” men are avoiding it, why? Cause they can’t make enough money from each other AND one guys going to loose, therefore loose MILLIONS. They need to build their name with big name old dudes that arent a threat first. Who do you have in mind? I can't think of any.

Maybe because other than the hardcores nobody knows them. Casuals bring the money to boxing. Hardcores not so much. I guess they didn't find much in these guys yet. I know you think my views on boxing and the belts are extreme. I'll add one more to it: I'm not sold big on either of these guys. Not at all. I don't see them going too far.

Risk reward is one obvious issue here. There would be much more reward and not a lot more risk fighting an established welter. I think they both beat the current version of Thurman. I give both a pretty good chance of beating Spence as well if his fight with Crawford doesn't happen for whatever reason. That said, I think both are willing but boxing being boxing, these two won't be fighting each other any time soon.

What's the story? Why is there no media attention to this fight? When is this fight expected to happen? What exactly are they waiting for? Who is to blame in all this nonsense? I’ll be honest, I hate the “business” part of boxing but it’s reality. To answer your question “BOTH” men are avoiding it, why? Cause they can’t make enough money from each other AND one guys going to loose, therefore loose MILLIONS. They need to build their name with big name old dudes that arent a threat first.

That's true. Fans seem to have acclimated well into such culture, albeit passively. They're okay with it. Well, they can scream bloody hell till they're blue in the face and nothing will change, anyways. Since when did promoters listen to fans? I can't remember any instance. It's business. Losing the zero ruins the business. Two top players ignoring each other making their own individual paths to wherever they are headed. I don't disagree with anything you say. I tire of the politics, emphasis on promotions, and padded, records with little actual substance.

Well, that's pretty much it for this thread. I don't think there's anything more to add. Welterweight used to be the most active division and has the most stars; the filet mignon of the sport. Now it's become just another division full of random guys fighting random opposition.

Eh, two different promoters. Their respective promotional banners will keep the matchups in-house or against fighters unaffiliated with the major rivals before they consider a cross promotion fight. We may not like it but that's the way things happen these days. That's true. Fans seem to have acclimated well into such culture, albeit passively. They're okay with it. Well, they can scream bloody hell till they're blue in the face and nothing will change, anyways. Since when did promoters listen to fans? I can't remember any instance. It's business. Losing the zero ruins the business. Two top players ignoring each other making their own individual paths to wherever they are headed.