The Art of Cheating: How Devin Haney Beat George Kambosos

I am not a fan of Haney, can't wait for him to lose to Tank or Loma, but come on guys. He beat Kambosos, deal with it, is Haney boring to watch? Yes, he is terrible, but at the end of the day, he beat Kambosos and I hope there will be no rematch. Its a complete waste of time, another boring UD win for Haney. Yeah. True. But there's more to it than that. It appears to me that this is an increasilgly common tactic over the years. So much so that people are actually calling it GOOD BOXING!!! That's what people are saying!! Elite level defense!! .... SAY WHAT?!!! So basically in order to be "elite" you have to "cheat." Check this article out that was written awhile ago. It's so true. We're losing the ability to increase the popularity of boxing because these are the types of fights that people are praising, arguing that this is what good defense looks like. This is why Manny vs Floyd was such a letdown. This is why Wlad killed the heavyweight division. It used to be the most popular until people had to witness the Wlad, the human ambien. https://medium.com/@Cazzbot/the-flagrant-desecration-of-safety-rules-in-boxing-and-mma-663d2ee90190

like I told you in the other thread... instead of fighters and Fanboys CRY ABOUT, it is up the opponent to do something about it {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tFickleGleefulImperatorangel-size_restricted.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t2.90 MB ID:\t31453014","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31453014","data-size":"full","title":"FickleGleefulImperatorangel-size_restricted.gif"} Also we can't cry: "Boots Hit Clayton In The Back Of The Head" when Clayton clearly dropped his head way down to try and as you call it "Cheat" boots just turned his punch on a moving target and it landed where it landed of course it wasn't his intentions but looking at this gif the Right hand was already on his way when Clayton dipped and Boots Right Hand Followed and BOOM {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tgiphy.gif?cid=790b76113b471082e64017f3deabfbfc27729a45172c6eee&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t8.42 MB ID:\t31453015","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31453015","data-size":"full","title":"giphy.gif?cid=790b76113b471082e64017f3deabfbfc27729a45172c6eee&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g.gif"} Kambosos just wasn't GOOD ENOUGH to make adjustments simple as that he did not lose because he was "Cheated" in which it sounds like just some bitter angry fan who is just so Heartbroken that the fight did not go the way they wanted it so now they're just complaining about Haney's "Fighting Style" Now I will say, Haney will need MORE vs Loma, that won't work vs Loma AT ALL because Loma knows how to adjust! Pay Attention of WTF Loma does when Rigo tried to Drip his head, he actually would fire off Combos then Turn Rigo {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tSykBSd.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t4.24 MB ID:\t31453017","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31453017","data-size":"full","title":"SykBSd.gif"} {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tpivot-comp.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t4.28 MB ID:\t31453016","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31453016","data-size":"full","title":"pivot-comp.gif"} It is truly "LEVELS" in this sport and Kambosos just wasn't on that Level, he is a Average fighter who scored a huge Upset and congrats to him on doing that No fighter is EVER going to get DQ or rarely even a Point Deduct for ducking underneath punches it is never going to happen Good post!!! I agree with everything you just said. There are levels to this. Kambosos shat the bed. Was so bad that there shouldn't be a rematch. I think he forfeited his rematch opportunity with such a bad performance because now no body is going to pay for it or even watch it. And also it wasn't that he was just ducking down; he was ducking, shouldering and then hugging. Yeah, Loma had an answer for it, and Boots punched the guy in the back of the head (and deservedly so!!!), but Haney was also grabbing, holding, and punching. For me Haney took it to a new level when you combine everything together. And the ref should never ref again. It took two to pull this off, Haney breaking the rule and the referee allowing it. Charlo and Loma had to deal with duckin and huggin while Boots had to deal the duckin. But Kambosos had to deal with duckin, huggin, holdin and hittin. You know who else fought that way? Ricky Hatton. Because Hatton was shit, and he had to resort to cheating because he lacked the talent and skill. Anyway, this is a good article about the desecration of the rules in Boxing and how it's marginalized the sport of boxing: https://medium.com/@Cazzbot/the-flagrant-desecration-of-safety-rules-in-boxing-and-mma-663d2ee90190

I am not a fan of Haney, can't wait for him to lose to Tank or Loma, but come on guys. He beat Kambosos, deal with it, is Haney boring to watch? Yes, he is terrible, but at the end of the day, he beat Kambosos and I hope there will be no rematch. Its a complete waste of time, another boring UD win for Haney.

like I told you in the other thread... instead of fighters and Fanboys CRY ABOUT, it is up the opponent to do something about it {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tFickleGleefulImperatorangel-size_restricted.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t2.90 MB ID:\t31453014","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31453014","data-size":"full","title":"FickleGleefulImperatorangel-size_restricted.gif"} Also we can't cry: "Boots Hit Clayton In The Back Of The Head" when Clayton clearly dropped his head way down to try and as you call it "Cheat" boots just turned his punch on a moving target and it landed where it landed of course it wasn't his intentions but looking at this gif the Right hand was already on his way when Clayton dipped and Boots Right Hand Followed and BOOM {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tgiphy.gif?cid=790b76113b471082e64017f3deabfbfc27729a45172c6eee&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t8.42 MB ID:\t31453015","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31453015","data-size":"full","title":"giphy.gif?cid=790b76113b471082e64017f3deabfbfc27729a45172c6eee&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g.gif"} Kambosos just wasn't GOOD ENOUGH to make adjustments simple as that he did not lose because he was "Cheated" in which it sounds like just some bitter angry fan who is just so Heartbroken that the fight did not go the way they wanted it so now they're just complaining about Haney's "Fighting Style" Now I will say, Haney will need MORE vs Loma, that won't work vs Loma AT ALL because Loma knows how to adjust! Pay Attention of WTF Loma does when Rigo tried to Drip his head, he actually would fire off Combos then Turn Rigo {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tSykBSd.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t4.24 MB ID:\t31453017","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31453017","data-size":"full","title":"SykBSd.gif"} {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tpivot-comp.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t4.28 MB ID:\t31453016","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"31453016","data-size":"full","title":"pivot-comp.gif"} It is truly "LEVELS" in this sport and Kambosos just wasn't on that Level, he is a Average fighter who scored a huge Upset and congrats to him on doing that No fighter is EVER going to get DQ or rarely even a Point Deduct for ducking underneath punches it is never going to happen so I don't know what to tell you. Maybe it is time to go find another sport!

I wasn't trying to win an argument or debate I just wanted to **** on the guy obviously lol... And yeah one of the differences is that Loma got dirty and was hitting him on the back of the head. In that situation, you basically have to ask for forgiveness, not permission. Hit them where they present to you and if they complain just complain back to the ref saying they shouldn't be bending below the waist with the back of their head exposed etc. I have seen refs call guys on that **** before. George really needed to press the action more and try to see what he could get away with on home turf. I don't know that I necessarily support it but it is a valid skill in pro boxing. It's just when it's abused it isn't fun to see of course. If he's going to use that style I'd prefer to see more of an ol' Bhop 1-2 and generally being rougher in the clinch. People would just hate him even more though. Canelo found a way to break BJS's face when he was doing a similar type of thing? Yes! Exactly. And I've been very critical about Kambosos in this regard. The dude literally shat the bed in front of thousands. He was awful because the times he could have done something he didn't. And I agree about Bhop. I made comparison between Devin and Bhop for the Oregonian. If Bhop clinched, he did it so you can fight in the clinch. And that's because Bhop is a true warrior. He's a real boxer. I honestly don't consider this a skill in pro boxing because in order for it to work, you have to have a paid off ref (or an extremely incompetent one) to allow this to happen. Not only was Haney clinching and ducking below the belt, he was also grabbing, holding and punching on numerous occasions. He was never even warned. The amount of times Haney cheated in that fight and wasn't called out on it is just bewildering. But Kambosos just taking it was a little too much for me too. He should fire his whole team for not preparing him at all. Or he should fire himself. Absolute trash. It's actually because of that that I don't think he deserves a rematch. The performance was so poor that he should be punished for it.

Why would I watch a video that makes the same argument you’ve already made in 2 other threads and about 20 posts? The video isn’t my concern. Your Spoon23-ish behavior because of a loss is. The forum doesn’t need anymore of it. Who the hell is Spoon23? I don't know who that is, but I will make a stink about this so that referees do their job and people will call out the bullshit to put an end to it. Like I said, when Wlad did it against Povetkin, it was bullshit. When Floyd did it to Manny, it was bullshit. When anyone does this crap it's bullshit. And I do not discriminate when it comes to cheating. I saw these tactics in Haney last year, and I have been calling it out since then. It's so extreme, this not even throwing a PUNCH but your ARMS OUT to hug that I'm going to make a big stink about it from now on. Look. If he does this against Tank or Loma, they're not going to have much of a chance because they don't have the reach or size advantage. I wonder what you'd say if Haney did this to Tank all night long, hugging him every time he collapsed the pocket or every time Haney punched so Tank couldn't throw back. It's against the rules for a reason. They might fight each other, and if they do, I'd like to see what you say then because you know Haney is going to be hugging the shit out of Tank. I can only pray that Tank KHTFO. I can only pray.

Well, whatever the case, ducking and clinching like that is illegal. He's not making that up. Rigondeaux tried the same bull**** with Loma and not only did Loma clown him, but Rigo was also penalized for it. Sure, Kambosos could have done things to help himself, which he didn't. But however you feel about Fouts, or what George said out of the ring, or what happened the day before the fight, none of that matters. It has NO BEARING what happened INSIDE OF THE RING. It means absolutely jack. No body is praising George for his attacks on Haney and no one is criticizing Haney for how he handled himself up to the fight. It's actually just the opposite. When you see guys being penalized and point deducted for doing that ****, and then we see Haney getting away with it with George, in such a marque matchup, then you have to accept that Haney abused the system and cannot support it. You can make all the straw man arguments you want, but it's not going to change the fact that Haney did fight in a cowardly way. Look at my gif. You see that? He did that several times against Kambosos in the ring. Is that something you would do? Is that something you think shows boxing skill? Running and hugging? Literally not even throwing a punch, but simply throwing your arms out to hug. Do you call that boxing? Do you support that? I wasn't trying to win an argument or debate I just wanted to shit on the guy obviously lol... And yeah one of the differences is that Loma got dirty and was hitting him on the back of the head. In that situation, you basically have to ask for forgiveness, not permission. Hit them where they present to you and if they complain just complain back to the ref saying they shouldn't be bending below the waist with the back of their head exposed etc. I have seen refs call guys on that shit before. George really needed to press the action more and try to see what he could get away with on home turf. I don't know that I necessarily support it but it is a valid skill in pro boxing. It's just when it's abused it isn't fun to see of course. If he's going to use that style I'd prefer to see more of an ol' Bhop 1-2 and generally being rougher in the clinch. People would just hate him even more though. Canelo found a way to break BJS's face when he was doing a similar type of thing?

Well, if you didn't watch the video, then I have no reason to respond to you. You can keep responding, but you have given me no reason to continue this conversation. But I will come back and body bag you soon with your bull**** narrative of Haney being cheated out of a title shot. Why would I watch a video that makes the same argument you’ve already made in 2 other threads and about 20 posts? The video isn’t my concern. Your Spoon23-ish behavior because of a loss is. The forum doesn’t need anymore of it.

And what's he doing by calling Devin Haney a little ***** numerous times in the video etc? Fire with fire. I'm not a fan of his particularly but I was impressed by how he handled himself throughout the whole lead-up and never bought into George's annoying little rat schtick. This Fouts guy is weirdly angry about it and almost seems like he wants boxers to just stand there and trade with each other. I dunno his qualifications but doesn't seem like a very good teacher or boxer himself. Literally looks like some bum doing it out of his basement or on his deck... Can't even get someone else to hold the camera for him. Well, whatever the case, ducking and clinching like that is illegal. He's not making that up. Rigondeaux tried the same bullshit with Loma and not only did Loma clown him, but Rigo was also penalized for it. Sure, Kambosos could have done things to help himself, which he didn't. But however you feel about Fouts, or what George said out of the ring, or what happened the day before the fight, none of that matters. It has NO BEARING what happened INSIDE OF THE RING. It means absolutely jack. No body is praising George for his attacks on Haney and no one is criticizing Haney for how he handled himself up to the fight. It's actually just the opposite. When you see guys being penalized and point deducted for doing that shit, and then we see Haney getting away with it with George, in such a marque matchup, then you have to accept that Haney abused the system and cannot support it. You can make all the straw man arguments you want, but it's not going to change the fact that Haney did fight in a cowardly way. Look at my gif. You see that? He did that several times against Kambosos in the ring. Is that something you would do? Is that something you think shows boxing skill? Running and hugging? Literally not even throwing a punch, but simply throwing your arms out to hug. Do you call that boxing? Do you support that?

He has to be trolling in that video. If he's not then, it's ****ing weird as hell. I can't deny that. He looks like he just put on the boxing gloves. :lol1::lol1: (Looks as if he made this during lockdown.) However, let's not attack the messenger and stick to the message. We all know what he's saying is true because it's exactly what many of us were saying, and he happened to say the same thing and show it as a video. If I had to criticize your argument here, it would be an ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy. People do this when they can't attack the substance of the argument, so they have to go after the person making it. It doesn't work that way. (BTW: He travels to different countries, training people. I don't follow him, but from what I saw just now is that he was at Dillian Whyte's gym or is, and he's working with the coaches over there. So he's not exactly some bum doing this out of a basement.) And what's he doing by calling Devin Haney a little bitch numerous times in the video etc? Fire with fire. I'm not a fan of his particularly but I was impressed by how he handled himself throughout the whole lead-up and never bought into George's annoying little rat schtick. This Fouts guy is weirdly angry about it and almost seems like he wants boxers to just stand there and trade with each other. I dunno his qualifications but doesn't seem like a very good teacher or boxer himself. Literally looks like some bum doing it out of his basement or on his deck... Can't even get someone else to hold the camera for him.

Haney has been a victim. Reminder- he got cheated out of a title shot he earned in the ring. He the. Took this deal. He is the one that deserves respect. No one else involved at LW does. What happened in the ring is exactly what I said- he outboxed Kambosos and that bum didn’t even have enough self respect to try and go for the ko win. He sat back and watched his title go away like a scared coward. Didn’t even put up a fight andthen tough talked about a rematch. How can you respect that? This whole situation isn’t just about what happened in the ring. It’s everything that happened since the belt was dropped and Loma asked to be elevated to franchise to avoid Haney. You’re defending cowardice in and out the ring and I am pushing back against that and will continue to do so. That’s what you do when you’re a real fan of the sport as you claim. Denounce the things that hurt the sport. Well, if you didn't watch the video, then I have no reason to respond to you. You can keep responding, but you have given me no reason to continue this conversation. But I will come back and body bag you soon with your bullshit narrative of Haney being cheated out of a title shot.

I tried to watch the video but this Fouts guy sounds like a fat whiny kunt who wishes he was GGG. It gets to a point where he basically says you have to let them try to hit you or else you're cheating. This guy couldn't get more biased and insufferable to listen to. Sure it ain't pretty to watch but it's effective and it'sup to the ref to control the fight. I swear the same people who cry about this are the same guys who say Salido is Lomas daddy etc. This guy thinks he's some next level coach and boxing savant but looks like ****: https://youtube.com/shorts/nGlKvMf2HOM?feature=share He has to be trolling in that video. If he's not then, it's ****ing weird as hell. I can't deny that. He looks like he just put on the boxing gloves. :lol1::lol1: (Looks as if he made this during lockdown.) However, let's not attack the messenger and stick to the message. We all know what he's saying is true because it's exactly what many of us were saying, and he happened to say the same thing and show it as a video. If I had to criticize your argument here, it would be that it is an ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy. People do this when they can't attack the substance of the argument, so they have to go after the person making it. It doesn't work that way. (BTW: He travels to different countries, training people. I don't follow him, but from what I saw just now is that he was at Dillian Whyte's gym or is, and he's working with the coaches over there. So he's not exactly some bum doing this out of a basement.)

I gave Haney all the credit and respect in the world for taking the same deal that Loma signed up for. All the credit in the world. Had there not been a war, we would have seen Loma down in Australia doing the same thing, so let's not make Haney out to be a victim here. But he does deserve respect. And George was in amateur hour pre-fight. That's true too. But you are trying to talk about things outside of the ring. All I care about is what happened inside of the ring. If you can talk about what happened inside of the ring, then we're good. But we both know you're not capable of that. Everyone knows that :lol1: Haney has been a victim. Reminder- he got cheated out of a title shot he earned in the ring. He then Took this deal. He is the one that deserves respect. No one else involved in this at LW does. What happened in the ring is exactly what I said- he outboxed Kambosos and that bum didn’t even have enough self respect to try and go for the ko win. He sat back and watched his title go away like a scared coward. Didn’t even put up a fight andthen tough talked about a rematch. How can you respect that? This whole situation isn’t just about what happened in the ring. It’s everything that happened since the belt was dropped and Loma asked to be elevated to franchise to avoid Haney. You’re defending cowardice in and out the ring and I am pushing back against that and will continue to do so. That’s what you do when you’re a real fan of the sport as you claim. Denounce the things that hurt the sport.

Half of what you said is irrelevant to what happened in the ring that night. Did you even watch the video? I honestly can't tell if you are being serious or just trolling me. I'm still planing on making that post I told you about when I get a little more time. So stay tuned. But stop trolling me with accusations that you know are bull****. No one is trolling you. No I didn’t watch a video from a disgruntled loser. You’re behavior since the loss is Spoon23 level disgraceful.

So let me get this right- The guy that got cheated out of a title shot, who went on the road, who took a crappy deal, who had to deal with his trainer and dad almost not getting into the country, signed with the champ’s promoter, and dominated is the guy you criticize. The dude who extended a deal hoping it would be rejected, who came in over weight limit and that didn’t have the guts to keep punching and try to win knowing he was way down on the cards, is the guy you give respect. Ridiculous. I gave Haney all the credit and respect in the world for taking the same deal that Loma signed up for. All the credit in the world. Had there not been a war, we would have seen Loma down in Australia doing the same thing, so let's not make Haney out to be a victim here. But he does deserve respect. And George was in amateur hour pre-fight. That's true too. But you are trying to talk about things outside of the ring. All I care about is what happened inside of the ring. If you can talk about what happened inside of the ring, then we're good. But we both know you're not capable of that. Everyone knows that :lol1:

Yes. Exactly! And you have to respect George for not clocking Haney in the back of the head because there are boxers out there that WOULD hit him in the back of the head, hoping to hurt him. And that's how boxing careers are cut short. Haney is dancing with the devil fighting this way because he will come across a boxer that will have had enough of these tacts and punish Haney for them. Not everyone is a good guy in the ring. So let me get this right- The guy that got cheated out of a title shot, who went on the road, who took a crappy deal, who had to deal with his trainer and dad almost not getting into the country, signed with the champ’s promoter, and dominated is the guy you criticize. The dude who extended a deal hoping it would be rejected, who came in over weight limit and that didn’t have the guts to keep punching and try to win knowing he was way down on the cards, is the guy you give respect. Ridiculous.

I tried to watch the video but this Fouts guy sounds like a fat whiny kunt who wishes he was GGG. It gets to a point where he basically says you have to let them try to hit you or else you're cheating. This guy couldn't get more biased and insufferable to listen to. Sure it ain't pretty to watch but it's effective and it'sup to the ref to control the fight. I swear the same people who cry about this are the same guys who say Salido is Lomas daddy etc. This guy thinks he's some next level coach and boxing savant but looks like ****: https://youtube.com/shorts/nGlKvMf2HOM guess you can't embed a short?

“Boring” is NSB code for “ the guy I don’t like outboxed the guy I do like.” It’s a shameful excuse used by fans of losers. What insecurity? You made this thread. Not me. You’ve been pushing this cheating narrative to somehow devalue Haney’s win, most likely because he didn’t fail where Loma did. I’m not fanboying over anyone. I’ve never proclaimed Haney was anything but a very good pro. Have I? So stop the BS. What you’re doing is disgraceful. You don’t like Haney, fine. For all the BS you rant about in these forums, you’re criticizing a fighter that fought anyone who didn’t cowardly avoid him. A fighter that took as terrible a deal we’ve ever seen and went on the road, even singing to the promoter, because he was desperate to get a title shot he got cheated out of . He then dominated the hometown boxer. Haney is what is right about the sport. Remember that next time you go on one of these BS rants because it’s clear all that is hot air. Half of what you said is irrelevant to what happened in the ring that night. Did you even watch the video? I honestly can't tell if you are being serious or just trolling me. I'm still planing on making that post I told you about when I get a little more time. So stay tuned. But stop trolling me with accusations that you know are bullshit.

You should be ashamed of yourself for even posting this to me. What kind of person are you? This **** is ridiculous. Why do you think the heavyweight division suffered when Wlad was king? Why do you think people had issue with Floyd when he beat Manny? Oh, wait, I know why ... because you can't get past your bull**** insecurity that you project on me and anyone else because you fanboy over some guy. That's why. Juts keeping it real and honest. “Boring” is NSB code for “ the guy I don’t like outboxed the guy I do like.” It’s a shameful excuse used by fans of losers. What insecurity? You made this thread. Not me. You’ve been pushing this cheating narrative to somehow devalue Haney’s win, most likely because he didn’t fail where Loma did. I’m not fanboying over anyone. I’ve never proclaimed Haney was anything but a very good pro. Have I? So stop the BS. What you’re doing is disgraceful. You don’t like Haney, fine. For all the BS you rant about in these forums, you’re criticizing a fighter that fought anyone who didn’t cowardly avoid him. A fighter that took as terrible a deal we’ve ever seen and went on the road, even singing to the promoter, because he was desperate to get a title shot he got cheated out of . He then dominated the hometown boxer. Haney is what is right about the sport. Remember that next time you go on one of these BS rants because it’s clear all that is hot air. Haney is the boxer who deserves respect. Not the bum that didn’t fight knowing he was way down on the cards because he had a rematch clause.

Bending below the waist is very dangerous. Don't know why he is trained like that. There are opponents that can't hold themselves and hit you anywhere they can land. They can hit the back of your head like a hammer and could lead you to a comatose state. That kind of cowardly thing, bending below the waist, normally go unnoticed because it happens very quick. But it does have dangerous consequences to the one doing it.