Why are people saying Bivol was a stylistic nightmare for Canelo?

Bring on fearless skilled fighter at 168 -175, who is strong , in his prime and actually throws back.. And Canelo loses.

Does anyone know wtf this guy is trying to say? - - For jus da fax, jacksie.

His punch selection is actually very good, it's underrated. Actually I think a lot of things about Bivol are underappreciated because they get lost under this umbrella term of "fundamentals". One of the reasons he was able to pierce Canelo's guard better than most is because Canelo was never totally sure when, or what, Bivol was going to throw. There was no obvious tell or rhythm to his punching, it was not predictable. He also varied the speed and power of his shots very well to keep Canelo guessing. There were a lot of touch jabs, double jabs, throwaway hooks and the like, then suddenly it's a hard right hand and left hook followed by another hard straight right to the body. All the while he is using lots of subtle feints with his lead hand, feinting to the body by bending his knees and using all-round excellent footwork to offset Canelo, switching directions when needed and never staying in one spot. As soon as his back touched the ropes he pivoted off. It was beautiful, and everything I've just mentioned (and much more) can be witnessed in pretty much any thirty second clip of the fight you care to dive into. Then when he let loose with combinations they were explosive yet fluid, and every shot was solid because he maintained perfect balance while punching (which is not easy to do). That GIF in jaded's sig is an excellent illustration. In short, it's a gross disservice to describe Bivol as simply having "good fundamentals".

I would say 175 for Canelo is a more comfortable natural weight than 160 would have been for Floyd, but my point still stands. Floyd's ability to compete as he moved up in weight was very impressive, as he imo was not really a guy much heavier naturally than some of the weights he was fighting at. But at some point a guy is just too big.... I doubt Mayweather would even come in at 160 pounds, if he was to fight at middleweight. Alvarez has no issue putting on mass, to hit 175 and higher. The highest Mayweather at his peak, could of went was 154 pounds. I can remember the fight night weights being shown live, during Mayweather fights. I can specifically remember one fight were, he was 146 pounds. Mayweather on fight night was actually below his weigh in weight etc.

Dmitry Bivol wouldn't even rank in the top 20 of risks Mayweather took in his career. Canelo outweighed Bivol by a good 5 lbs. Canelo's style relies on him entering the ring 10-20lbs more than his opponent so he can take their punches like nothing and make his opponents terrified of his power. This was obvious after round 2 when canelo realized his uppercuts couldn't do **** to Bivol and he was actually stung by Bivol's jab. His face was one of a completely defeated man after round 2. Every fight Floyd fought at 147 or 154 he came into the ring with at least a 10lb weight disadvantage, sometimes more. Let me ask you this. Has Canelo every ONCE fought someone who outweighed him? Dude boxing isn't all about weight its about height reach and how well you use them or not use them. When was Floyd at a significant height and reach disadvantage at welterweight or jmw and I don't mean an inch or two or some shopworn fighter

Dmitry Bivol wouldn't even rank in the top 20 of risks Mayweather took in his career. Canelo outweighed Bivol by a good 5 lbs. Canelo's style relies on him entering the ring 10-20lbs more than his opponent so he can take their punches like nothing and make his opponents terrified of his power. This was obvious after round 2 when canelo realized his uppercuts couldn't do shit to Bivol and he was actually stung by Bivol's jab. His face was one of a completely defeated man after round 2. Every fight Floyd fought at 147 or 154 he came into the ring with at least a 10lb weight disadvantage, sometimes more. Let me ask you this. Has Canelo every ONCE fought someone who outweighed him?

Why are you bringing up that bum. Floyd would have schooled that cat. And Floyd has been fighting outside of his comfort zone for most of his WW career. The first time Canelo fought someone big and rangy he folded. Gtfoh Floyd totally avoided that guy and I can't think of a long rangy guy at the higher weights outside of Conor McGregor and who was the Youtube guy

Well at least he fought a guy completely out of his comfort zone. Who did Floyd fight who was similar who arms was longer Paul Williams oh yeah I forgot he would have been easy work but he needed a two year vacation if it wasn't for that oh yeah easy work. Why are you bringing up that bum. Floyd would have schooled that cat. And Floyd has been fighting outside of his comfort zone for most of his WW career. The first time Canelo fought someone big and rangy he folded.

If you looked at both guys in the ring, Canelo had a small lip over his trunks. It wasent much, but those who followed his whole career would have noticed it. Bivol was taller, leaner, more muscular. Canelo tried the wide right hand to the body all night. Often it completely missed, which takes big energy to pull back. If he did make contact it was usually still short and was blocked my Bivol’s elbow. I don’t think it was Bivol’s style so much as size, length, strength, durability, focus, that gave Bivol the edge. It was Canelo’s style that let him down. Canelo had a harder time reaching Bivol. He didn’t do the damage he was used to when he did. Style wise maybe you could say the pace was more then he was used to, but it’s not like it was close to the highest volume affairs that we see. Canelo did better when he used the jab but he mostly abandoned it thinking he could just walk Bivol down with his hooks. He also got too cute with his hands down head slipping which didn’t serve him here. He also got tired. Basically nobody he fought in recent years prepared him for this sort of challenge. This is a guy who thought he could fight at cruiser or challenge Usyk remember. Most people though it’d be close and that Canelo would get the Stroke on the cards if it was. He did get the stroke on the cards. The judges gave him the path to win it or get a draw. He just needed to win one of the last three rounds to not lose. He just didn’t have anything left and couldn’t do it.

He is no nightmare. he is just not bad enough to lose Canelo. He is much more skilled than Saunders, Plant, callum. I'd say Bivol wasn't fearful like those other fighters.

As I said before the fight, Bivol is very good at controlling distance and has quick feet. What I hadn't seen though was how tight his defense could be. People crack me up with comments about how a fighter is "basic" when what they are seeing is a fundamentally sound fighter. Bivol is fundamentally sound, it's hard to find a weakness to key on. Humm, fundamentally sound vs basic, is there a difference? I'm not sure there is.

Bivol is pretty basic. He kept hitting Canelo with the same combo over and over, but Canelo couldn't do **** to stop it. He really was the perfect opponent for a great counterpuncher. The problem is we just vastly overestimated Canelo's ability. Canelo struggles with rangy fighters and since short armed Canelo can only fight at one range he was easy work for Bivol. Well at least he fought a guy completely out of his comfort zone. Who did Floyd fight who was similar who arms was longer Paul Williams oh yeah I forgot he would have been easy work but he needed a two year vacation if it wasn't for that oh yeah easy work.

Bivol used the formulas already set by previous opponents, (eg, jab, range, distance management coupled with footwork). But, those fighters often wasted a lot of movement, gave up the center of the ring, took bait, gave into risks, and forfeited their discipline in the process. They never looked half as sharp as they did in the earlier rounds. I believe that's also why Canelo adopted that higher-guard, plodding style, as he's not forced to exhaust as much effort early, then he can just ratio-out what he has left later and put them away. Bivol forced Canelo to use more energy early, and by the later rounds when Canelo tends to have his way, he found himself the one at the wrong end of the stick. Really good post dude.

Lol, you actually picked Canelo to win easily. So did I. That's why we're trying to figure out how Canelo lost so one-sidedly

any fighter who moves about a bit and doesnt buy into the hype is a 'stylistic nightmare' for canelo. Lol, you actually picked Canelo to win easily.

Bivol used the formulas already set by previous opponents, (eg, jab, range, distance management coupled with footwork). But, those fighters often wasted a lot of movement, gave up the center of the ring, took bait, gave into risks, and forfeited their discipline in the process. They never looked half as sharp as they did in the earlier rounds. I believe that's also why Canelo adopted that higher-guard, plodding style, as he's not forced to exhaust as much effort early, then he can just ratio-out what he has left later and put them away. Bivol forced Canelo to use more energy early, and by the later rounds when Canelo tends to have his way, he found himself the one at the wrong end of the stick.

I think Bivol's ability to catch and shoot surprised Canelo. Saul is so used to throwing his punches without much coming back, that he wasn't ready for someone to catch one of his right hooks for example, with an immediate left hook of their own. Bivol even did that when Canelo threw to the body. It was such a drastic change from previous opponents that it was obvious Canelo didn't know what else to do.

As long as we're exercising our imaginations, imagine either Charlo or Andrade willingly entering the ring with Joe Smith. Styles make fights. Andrade I could easily see losing to Joe Smith but shutting out Canelo 12-0. Canelo has no heart like Joe, he's not going to take the risks he'd need to to beat Andrade.

It's because he has good fundamentals. Now imagine what someone with great fundamentals plus speed plus head movement like Andrade or Charlo would do to him. This fight should have proved to the world why he ran away from the 154/160 divisions to pick on the weak 168lb division. As long as we're exercising our imaginations, imagine either Charlo or Andrade willingly entering the ring with Joe Smith.

- - Meanwhile, back at the Dubai Pass, TBE TUE 51-0 be fighting Dangerous Donny after having the Floriduh tarballs whooped out of him by Logan Paul. Kenny Bayless would never let that happen. Oh, pray be our beating hearts be stilled. Does anyone know wtf this guy is trying to say?