What happened to Canelos counter punching skills?

Bivol was just too much for Ginger... Nothing wrong about that... He found his nemesis...

Reynoso has been debunked over the last fortnight. He is the mexican Buddy Mcgirt Actually, I was thinking Virgil Hunter. Is he really a great trainer or he just end up with a good fighter?

How do you counter punch a well skilled guy that is able to throw 5-6 punches in one combo? Exactamundo!

I know the one youre talking about, floyd would lay against the ropes it looks like he is trapped but really you have more control over distance than it appears if you lean back into the ropes, like Ali did the same thing. He then countered DLH with that right hand from the philly shell. A frustrated canelo tried to bait Bivol into giving him countering opportunities from the ropes but Bivol didnt fall for it at all, didnt care if the crowd likes it or not. Hes calculated. Yes mentioned this in the my post just above this. Very calculated and i was impressed! That showed discipline and being in control. He ate some big shots ( upper cuts ) but he had his chin tucked firmly down shoulders up and very compact. His defence was solid last night.

This is true, when he let his hands go in combos, he was at range, he is a smart fighter, very aware of the distance, if canelo tried to counter he could easily get out of range, he doesnt overcommit like everyone else canelo fought. And if he landed a good combination he didnt go wild trying to follow it up, he let those points count for what they were, built up a huge lead over canelo over time. Very smart boxing from Bivol last night. Very smart! From round one Canelo was looking to assert dominance. He hit HARD and i you see the venom he tried putting in to his shots. He missed a coupla shots to the dome but those shots he uses to serve as warning shots to let his opponent know his power. That tactic did not work against Bivol as he was durable and built to last. I loved his patience. I cannot remember the round but Canelo was on the ropes and saying "come on!" to Bivol after he had just unleashed a good combo which connected a good percentage of the shots. Bivol just did not respond to that gesture and remained poised. Highly disciplined guy!!

He cannot counter punch in between his opponents combos, like Floyd was able to do and then roll out to safety. He can counter punch single shot's well. He does not have the skill and timing to counter punch in between a 4-6 punch combo. Floyd is able to, iirc correct he almost knocked Oscars head of with his counter right. He then caught Canelo with a very simillar counter. I know the one youre talking about, floyd would lay against the ropes it looks like he is trapped but really you have more control over distance than it appears if you lean back into the ropes, like Ali did the same thing. He then countered DLH with that right hand from the philly shell. A frustrated canelo tried to bait Bivol into giving him countering opportunities from the ropes but Bivol didnt fall for it at all, didnt care if the crowd likes it or not. Hes calculated.

How do you counter punch a well skilled guy that is able to throw 5-6 punches in one combo?

Excellent point about range, that was another deciding factor. Most of Bivol's shots when he opened up and fired back was keeping Canelo at the end of his punches. The shorter man in Canelo who is more flat footed could not also close the distance and Bivols footwork was brilliant. He did not take step wrong This is true, when he let his hands go in combos, he was at range, he is a smart fighter, very aware of the distance, if canelo tried to counter he could easily get out of range, he doesnt overcommit like everyone else canelo fought. And if he landed a good combination he didnt go wild trying to follow it up, he let those points count for what they were, built up a huge lead over canelo over time.

canelo used speed and skill to overcome these guys size advantages at 168. problem is when you get a highly skilled, quick guy who also has the size advantage, you get what we got last night. canelo can still beat all the guys 168 and below. those guys dont have what bivol has.

It's the size. Size and weight classes matter. Canelo is small even for 168 and doesn't belong at 175. Things tactically that Bivol did fighters in lower weight classes can't get away with it against Canelo. Bivol was never hurt by any shots even when canelo landed clean shots guys at lower weights couldn't take. Only pain he mentioned was Canelo shots to his shoulder. Canelo won titles in 4 weight classes which is hard to do when you start at these higher weights and finally giving up all these physical advantages to men naturally much bigger caught up. Bivol is not some alltime great skilled fighter and he's not p4p more skilled then canelo but he's much bigger and skilled enough to beat this version canelo that shouldn't be at 175. History is littered with examples of a good big man beating a great little man. Size and weight classes matter Canelo did NOT land ANY punches that guys at lower weights couldn't take, nevermind Bivol. He landed the uppercut like 5 times maybe, and his previous opponents did eat that without getting hurt. And those were the best punches he landed on Bivol. Bivol's footwork was they key to his victory. Canelo couldn't find his range and look confused and frustrated af after round 5. ​​​​​​

He still is a great counter puncher IMO. Bivol was just a step ahead of him last night and nullified it. Canelo loads up too much, and he has a tendency to drop his hands after loading up on the shot. He would throw 1 shot and walk back in a straight line with his hands down. Bivol would come back with 3-4 punches to counter it. Bivol wasn't falling for the playing possum act either and was countering Canelo's (1-punch) counter left hook with right hands, and left hooks. Fallen in love with his power I think is a pretty accurate description. He just ran into someone with a higher boxing IQ

Seems like he fell in love with his power. He use to have a jab, great head movement and counter punching ability. Its called “controlling the distance. Bivol did an exellent job of doing so. He also surprised me that h would hook with Canelo. Over all, what I noticed most was that Bivol could NOT BE HURT by Canelo. He’s just too big.

his counter punching skills got countered.. that's it..

Did you even watch the fight? Are you stupid?

Canelo being 5'8 winning his first world title at 154 moving up to 175 is like Bivol moving up to heavyweight and see how he fares against Tyson Fury. He will not look the same and can not fight the same way against heavyweights tactically when you are giving up so many physical advantages to guys bigger, taller, longer, hit harder and can take bigger punches. Alvarez has always been a middle weight, playing the big man at welterweight. His ideal weight class is 160 - 168 pounds. It is nothing like Bivol moving up to heavyweight. Fighters are separated by stones, not pounds in that division. Alvarez at light heavyweight in my opinion, is not really fighting fighters who are out size him by miles. Alvarez has a different body type to Bivol, Alvarez is dense and sturdy etc.

Canelo being 5'8 winning his first world title at 154 moving up to 175 is like Bivol moving up to heavyweight and see how he fares against Tyson Fury. He will not look the same and can not fight the same way against heavyweights tactically when you are giving up so many physical advantages to guys bigger, taller, longer, hit harder and can take bigger punches.

Over confidence he went in with the wrong game plan. He thought he can just bang Bivol out. this right here... it seems like canelo thought he could just go in there and land a big shot and end the fight.

Go watch Canelo vs Cotto. Floyd mostly went into a shell when being hit with combinations that's y he had trouble with volume punchers. I can tell ur a casual Okay Rambo

It's the size. Size and weight classes matter. Canelo is small even for 168 and doesn't belong at 175. Things tactically that Bivol did fighters in lower weight classes can't get away with it against Canelo. Bivol was never hurt by any shots even when canelo landed clean shots guys at lower weights couldn't take. Only pain he mentioned was Canelo shots to his shoulder. Canelo won titles in 4 weight classes which is hard to do when you start at these higher weights and finally giving up all these physical advantages to men naturally much bigger caught up. Bivol is not some alltime great skilled fighter and he's not p4p more skilled then canelo but he's much bigger and skilled enough to beat this version canelo that shouldn't be at 175. History is littered with examples of a good big man beating a great little man. Size and weight classes matter

Canelo is a great counter puncher bivol just managed to keep him at perfect range and get in and out before canelos counters landed Bivols footwork last night was incredible he made canelo miss huge counters with just his in and out footwork Canelo can catch fighters like plant and bjs but once they go in for their own attack theyre mostly off balanced or over committed and get hit with canelos quick counters Nothing wrong with canelo last night he just fought a great fighter I honestly think bivol will take beterbiev to school in a similar way ,he's a special fighter .Great offence and defence and never off balance or over commiting I was I.pressed with the way he totally shut down pascal and he did the exact same to a beter fighter in canelo Pascal was similar in his counter punching ability to a lesser degree but he was always in any fight he's been in...he's good at catching shots and coming back with quick counter hooks to the body or head which made him always in a fight even if he was getting beaten up But against bivol he had no success he was absolutely shut down in the department Excellent point about range, that was another deciding factor. Most of Bivol's shots when he opened up and fired back was keeping Canelo at the end of his punches. The shorter man in Canelo who is more flat footed could not also close the distance and Bivols footwork was brilliant. He did not take step wrong