Valdez looked the best he ever had against Berchelt. Under Reynoso.
He was face first and got his jaw broken under Robles.
Maybe Quig was better than Berchelt. Berchelt made a name for himself by beating beat up, past it fighters like Vargas, Miura and Roman. He was highly overrated.
I don't know his whole body of work. But what defines a great trainer, somebody who just works with winners and top champions? Or a trainer who works with fighters at all levels?
I think somebody like Canelo Alvarez will be successful with most trainers.
Now Sugar Hill Steward, I think you can call him a great trainer because? There has a been a dramatic distinct change in Tyson Fury's performances. Sugar Hill Steward took Fury back to his roots, and help him adapt his game in order to stay competitive.
For me the trainers I like are, Adam Boot, Don Charles, also I think this Andy Lee seems like a good trainer.
People used to think Eddie Reynoso sucked as a trainer when Canelo was younger. However, I think both he and Canelo's ring IQ grew together. They have a good training system around drilling powerful counter combinations. He has his flaws like other trainers, but if you give a fighter multiple camps with him, they'll improve.
Kay Koroma "Coach Kay" deserves some more attention. He coached Shakur since he was 13.
When Valdez iced berchelt nobody was questioning reynoso.
When Ryan garcia beat campbell nobody was questioning reynoso.
The best wins of each of their careers both under reynoso.
Of course he’s a great trainer. He’s just experiencing the same thing Freddie roach did back in 2012. When Pac and Khan were on great runs, he was the best trainer ever. When they both lost in 2012, he was overrated etc. When asked for his assessment post fight, he was honest. He saw openings for Oscar, but they weren’t able to execute. Shakur was a -700 fav for a reason. Reynoso isn’t a miracle worker.
He has worked w/ Canelo since he was a kid so credit has to be given there .Not much complaining when Valdez sparked out Berchelt , styles make fights Shakur was a nightmare style for Valdez that fight was playing out the same no matter who was in the corner .
It’s hard to say when he has an all time great who is very self motivated to get better and handles his business. You could say he got the most out of Canelo’s talent or that he was just there for the ride.
Similar to Roger Mayweather. He trained some other fighters that didn’t do much so how much credit does he get for being in Floyd’s corner post Oscar fight?
excellent trainer but he is not a damn Miracle Worker
Eddy and all trainers need to seriously keep a limit to the amount of fighters they work with, you can't fix everybody and maybe no longer working with Ruiz, Garcia and others is him realizing that he is trying to take on too much
Andy Ruiz and Valdez were probably better suited with Manny Robles.
Valdez looked the best he ever had against Berchelt. Under Reynoso.
He was face first and got his jaw broken under Robles.
I’m not sure it’s fair to gauge Reynoso based on Valdez fight. Oscar hasn’t really been himself since the PED accusation. If you compare the ultra nimble pinpoint boxer to thr current version, it’s hard not to see the difference. I was very surprised that Oscar got the decision vs. Conceicao (spelling). Thought he lost and they gave him too much credit for late rounds.
maybe he was on PEDs and he’s not as good without them. In my opinion, watching him act since the PED thing, he’s destroyed mentally.
Reynoso has done a spectacular job with Canelo. We don’t have enough information to say that he’s just a product of Canelos success.
Came on to the thread to state essentially the same thing. I thought he lost to Conceicao as well and the Berchelt win may not be quite what it was based on how shot Miguel looked in both that fight and his subsequent fight.
Some fighters seem to do well with Reynoso (Sanchez, KingRy and JC Martinez) and others haven't shown much improvement (Nery and Ruiz). Same as any other decent trainer really.
I’m not sure it’s fair to gauge Reynoso based on Valdez fight. Oscar hasn’t really been himself since the PED accusation. If you compare the ultra nimble pinpoint boxer to thr current version, it’s hard not to see the difference. I was very surprised that Oscar got the decision vs. Conceicao (spelling). Thought he lost and they gave him too much credit for late rounds.
maybe he was on PEDs and he’s not as good without them. In my opinion, watching him act since the PED thing, he’s destroyed mentally.
Reynoso has done a spectacular job with Canelo. We don’t have enough information to say that he’s just a product of Canelos success.
Agreed, Reynoso has trained Canelo since he was a kid. He definitely has knowledge, but it is hard to gage his effectiveness off of Oscar performance because we don't know what Eddie trained him to do for this fight and with that we don't know how much Oscar followed the plan.
On a converse note, we have seen Oscar's training videos and he looks amazing practicing counter punching and heavy body punching, but for some reason he never looks as good in the ring as he does in training.. Where as Cenelo looks average AF in training and then is a savage in the ring.
I think a lot of Oscar's issues are just performing under pressure and not being able to improvise. He also lacks a lot of the natural abilities of Canelo defense and offensively.
Yeah without question, he took a 15 year old kid and along with his father Chepo nurtured him unto becoming the best fighter in the world and a legitimate ATG. 99.9% of trainers will never achieve that.
I’m not sure it’s fair to gauge Reynoso based on Valdez fight. Oscar hasn’t really been himself since the PED accusation. If you compare the ultra nimble pinpoint boxer to thr current version, it’s hard not to see the difference. I was very surprised that Oscar got the decision vs. Conceicao (spelling). Thought he lost and they gave him too much credit for late rounds.
maybe he was on PEDs and he’s not as good without them. In my opinion, watching him act since the PED thing, he’s destroyed mentally.
Reynoso has done a spectacular job with Canelo. We don’t have enough information to say that he’s just a product of Canelos success.