Why many believe Fury to be one of the greatest ever

C'mon man! Let it go! Too many Tyson Fury fans have gone bat shit crazy over a single title defense where he was a 6-1 favorite to win. I am not saying that he is not a good fighter but an all-time great no he is not. Is he one of the greatest heavyweights of his era yes. He neither have the names or victories on his resume in or to prove it. greatest of his era....back at it again with the net negatives

If Jared Anderson were more experienced he would be the guy to cause real problems for Fury but considering he is too far behind we will never know for sure if he could win

Everyone is beatable. The last heavyweight fighter that everyone thought was untouchable is a prime example. Feb 11, 1990.

An 6'3 Joe Frazier could beat him. A 6"6 Crawford would beat him, pity we live in the real world.

What would you really grade Whyte yesterday though on really performance. He looked very poor and not because what Fury was doing I mean the fight was pretty stagnant up until the sixth round . I give him a C unfortunately which still then gives questions to me on Fury ? The winner of Usyk and A.J to me is where it’s still at . And just to be clear I did the same with A.J who didn’t fight the right fight but still held his own , Usyk is better then Whyte I think you’d agree on that . I always assume fighters are the procuring cause of what the other guy is doing. I think fury showed a lot of things that troubled Whyte or any fighter. For example fury used the jab, as a piston, range finder, etc... Fury also was feinting with the jab. Not an easy time for Whyte. Usyk is better then whyte for sure.

That comparison makes basically zero sense as David price had extremely similar height and reach advantages. Could even throw Valuev in there too. I'm talking talent wise David and Igor had even less talent. I don't know what Fury fans see when they look at Fury fight. One thing those other 2 had was respect for their bodies.

It's all height and reach with Fury. Take away those advantages and he's another David Price. That comparison makes basically zero sense as David price had extremely similar height and reach advantages. Could even throw Valuev in there too.

There's only one guy who knows Fury's game inside out and has the skills, heart and chin to best him and the one guy Fury won't ever fight because he knows it too... Joseph "The Mighty Oilskin" Parker... :]

Fury is the GOAT. It just took you bums 10 years to realize it. Yes Ned! Another old school Fury fan in da house!! We called it since the beginning man, we were calling a Fury a potential GOAT before he even faced Klitschko.

Height, reach, awkward style, good head movement, fast feet, fast punches that hurt. If you are in the 1% good enough to overcome all of that and get some clean punches in on him, he will then tie you up and use his weight to lean on you every time you try it. If you are in the 0.1% good enough and powerful enough to overcome that too and you put him down, he's getting back up. This is why many believe Fury cannot be beaten and is one of the best ever. Hard to disagree with surely? Lennox could beat him. Just made a thread about why he would be favourite over Fury but with how Tyson’s power is developing, Fury could easily go out there and KO Lennox. lennox and Vitali are the only two with the tools required to beat Fury

Removing Wlad and Wilder (for the sake of argument).....WTF is there :lol1: ?!?!?!?

Fury is the GOAT. It just took you bums 10 years to realize it. Arreola would have a 90+ W and KO ratio with Fury's resume. Fat Andy would do even better Oldtiz, Usytk and maybe AJ would beat Fury Maybe for AJ because he's such a robotic guy. He has the power but not really the chin or gas tank. I really can't think of a guy who couldn't beat the guys Fury beat, with the exception of Wilder (who EVERY FURY FAN called a bum).

Fury is the GOAT. It just took you bums 10 years to realize it.

It's all height and reach with Fury. Take away those advantages and he's another David Price.

He can be beaten easily. Find a heavyweight that moves like Usyk and is bigger than Fury. Good luck with that.

Yes. Put it this way... Fury proved he is a level above Whyte. But just imagine. Fury loses concentration for one second, Whyte throws the perfect shot and spins Fury's head on his neck. Fury, based on his thin resume would have been dismissed by plenty as a hype job who carefully plotted his way to titles while avoiding challengers and got exposed by his first mandatory. Whyte would have been legitimate and his good body of work used as proof of his elite status. But he didn't. So Whyte is derided as someone who was never any good. Fury is proclaimed an all time great. Now Boxing is pretty binary. One punch, win/lose. But one punch doesn't really make that much difference to the ability of fighters. Fury is a hell of a boxer with a short but impressive resume and plenty in the eye test category. Whyte is a good fighter and legitimate contender who has battled his way to that position in tough fights. One fight, one punch doesn't change any of that. If someone wants to prove that they can't be beaten, there's only one way you do it. You keep fighting opponents. Boxing can be binery but again... levels to the game! Ali was hit with some hellacious shots... from a binery perspective these shots should have ended the fights, but Ali was so remarkable that he got up from those shots. Marciano was tough... him and every other palooka in the big cities. Marciano could also punch... so could many others. Most guys who could punch a bit and were tough had that same "binery" experience, when they came a cropper against a technician, a boxer puncher who was great. But there was something about Marciano... He managed to turn his handicaps into strengths... Punching the way a catcher throws a baseball, pursuing his opponents at all costs... There are trainers to this day that call Marciano the greatest. Fury, arguably has evolved the dialectic of the "binary" when he got off the canvas against Wilder the first fight. So much so that one could be permitted to believe that even if Whyte caught him good, Fury would find a way to rise.

There's not much to disagree with there except that, as you acknowledge, triangle theory doesn't really work. Whyte looked better against Joshua but we'll never know how much of that was Whyte being better because Joshua allowed it (as opposed to Fury nullifying it) or whether Joshua simply beat a better version of Whyte. I think the need to elevate Joshua is partly to balance the extreme denigration of his work by others. He's been a really good champion. He has very good wins. It's beyond comprehension how people describe him as being rubbish. And the other part, I think, is because we want him to be better. In many ways he's what a champion should be - takes on all comers, goes to war, completely dedicated and professional, and is the one who desperately wants to unify. yeah I think Triangle theory is rubbish lol. Sometimes we can pull it out but always other things are needed to qualify an assertion. Nobody should rubbish any fighter. There should be a sense that there are levels and that Joshua may not be on the level of Fury or Usyk. If Joshua really shows that he has made adjustments when he fights Usyk, I will give him all the credit in the world. Actually if he can just be competative against Usyk... I won't necessarily be one questioning Usyk, but I do believe others shall.

Why do people try so desperately to elevate Joshua? I mean if your a Brit, you have your great champion! you have a lineage with Lewis... call him British, Canadian, I won't argue with ya lol. And you have Tyson Fury. Joshua has talent but your wrong and I will explain why: He had some moments against Usyk but every pundit knows that Usyk controlled that fight. It was not close when Usyk went into second gear...not third gear, not a desperate place where it was kill, or be killed... second gear. If Joshua looks spectacular against Usyk in a repeat fight the more natural inclination would be to look more closely at Usyk and his performance with Chisora... I say this as someone who does not think Joshua will beat Usyk, but Fury and Usyk at this point both outclassed their opponents. Now lets look at some aspect of triangle theory, as much as I hate to do so... But when we start these insane comparisons like when Sidknee is telling people that Whyte was more competative in losing than Wilder... a ridiculous assertion frankly... we have to look at these things. The Whyte Joshua fight was competative. Whyte had his moments in that fight. The Fury Whyte fight was not competative. The Usyk Joshua fight was not really competative. Your really overselling Joshua. Talk to Bang Em... he really understands Joshua maybe better than anyone else posting. One theme in his postings is that Joshua is insanely talented, but does not necessarily make the best decisions. In this level of prize fighting talent does not even matter: You have to have all bases covered and not be exposed. There's not much to disagree with there except that, as you acknowledge, triangle theory doesn't really work. Whyte looked better against Joshua but we'll never know how much of that was Whyte being better because Joshua allowed it (as opposed to Fury nullifying it) or whether Joshua simply beat a better version of Whyte. I think the need to elevate Joshua is partly to balance the extreme denigration of his work by others. He's been a really good champion. He has very good wins. It's beyond comprehension how people describe him as being rubbish. And the other part, I think, is because we want him to be better. In many ways he's what a champion should be - takes on all comers, goes to war, completely dedicated and professional, and is the one who desperately wants to unify.

It is probably something hereditary that some people suffer from. Something that goes back to caveman days. Sport brings all of these traits out in people. It is not a bad thing. Some people like tribal team sports, other people like individual and personable sports. There is a reason for all of this. Trust me, if Tyson Fury is ever beaten? People will change up real quick, real real quick. And these threads will stop, and they will stop by no mistake. But until then, people will get carried away. Tyson Fury is clearly a great fighter, but he cannot be the greatest of all-time. The greatest champion? Definitely not, the greatest ability ever displayed in a single fight ? I don't think so. But yes for sure, he is a great fighter Tyson Fury. Yes. Put it this way... Fury proved he is a level above Whyte. But just imagine. Fury loses concentration for one second, Whyte throws the perfect shot and spins Fury's head on his neck. Fury, based on his thin resume would have been dismissed by plenty as a hype job who carefully plotted his way to titles while avoiding challengers and got exposed by his first mandatory. Whyte would have been legitimate and his good body of work used as proof of his elite status. But he didn't. So Whyte is derided as someone who was never any good. Fury is proclaimed an all time great. Now Boxing is pretty binary. One punch, win/lose. But one punch doesn't really make that much difference to the ability of fighters. Fury is a hell of a boxer with a short but impressive resume and plenty in the eye test category. Whyte is a good fighter and legitimate contender who has battled his way to that position in tough fights. One fight, one punch doesn't change any of that. If someone wants to prove that they can't be beaten, there's only one way you do it. You keep fighting opponents.

If Anthony Joshua beats Usyk, he has the best win at heavyweight for the past 20 years. Joshua has already taken part in the best Heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years 'Kiltschko vs Joshua, was the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years'. Joshua would of beaten every single man, he had ever faced if? He beats Usyk. Yes Joshua has been beaten, but he has never really be knocked out. I think people seem to forget all of this. Anthony Joshua maybe should not have a better resume than Fury, but he does have a better resume than Tyson Fury. Tyson Fury is ranked number 1, because he is still unbeaten. That is the only reason why he is ranked number 1. What Joshua lacks in natural ability, he is making up for in effort. In determination and ambition. I have always compared Anthony Joshua to batman. He does not quite have these super awkward powers that Fury, or Uysk have. But rest assured, given ample amount of time to study and prepare? Joshua in my opinion will find a way to beat these guys. Yes his performance vs Ruiz Junior was underwhelming, but he found a way to win. And I think he will do the same vs Uysk. Joshua has near psychotic levels of work ethic. If Anthony Joshua's mindset was projected into Tyson Fury's head? Fury would probably be weighing in at 250 + pounds. The full potential of Fury would be unleashed. It would be like that movie limitless. Goodness knows what else Fury will be doing. Tyson Fury makes a big song and dance about training, he is constantly telling people that he has been training, big deal. Joshua's own high levels of work ethic, have actually been his downfall these past few years. You see Joshua committed to the wrong philosophy in training 'And suppressed his innate abilities'. The obsession with dropping weight and changing his physique, the obsession with being all technical, all this done was suppress his innate abilities, which then made him extremely unsure of himself. Why do people try so desperately to elevate Joshua? I mean if your a Brit, you have your great champion! you have a lineage with Lewis... call him British, Canadian, I won't argue with ya lol. And you have Tyson Fury. Joshua has talent but your wrong and I will explain why: He had some moments against Usyk but every pundit knows that Usyk controlled that fight. It was not close when Usyk went into second gear...not third gear, not a desperate place where it was kill, or be killed... second gear. If Joshua looks spectacular against Usyk in a repeat fight the more natural inclination would be to look more closely at Usyk and his performance with Chisora... I say this as someone who does not think Joshua will beat Usyk, but Fury and Usyk at this point both outclassed their opponents. Now lets look at some aspect of triangle theory, as much as I hate to do so... But when we start these insane comparisons like when Sidknee is telling people that Whyte was more competative in losing than Wilder... a ridiculous assertion frankly... we have to look at these things. The Whyte Joshua fight was competative. Whyte had his moments in that fight. The Fury Whyte fight was not competative. The Usyk Joshua fight was not really competative. Your really overselling Joshua. Talk to Bang Em... he really understands Joshua maybe better than anyone else posting. One theme in his postings is that Joshua is insanely talented, but does not necessarily make the best decisions. In this level of prize fighting talent does not even matter: You have to have all bases covered and not be exposed.