Who Wins between De La Hoya vs Marquez

- - Drained Oscar melted l'l floydy like a spilt snowcone on a summer sidewalk, KO without throwing a punch. Everyone on this forum has seen the meltdown replete with him wiping the flowing nasal mucous and tears with a white towel and then mopping his face up with it. I'd feel sorry for him if he weren't a woman beater needing a pair of his 300lb Security Beefsters to restrain his kids so they can watch him put a whoopin' on their mama, but yo, he your guy, so there's that. Put Oscar on BALCO Juan vitamins and he beats Marquez every day of the week and twice on Sundays, so there again, there's that! Where did learn how to do running crying like that even got that rambling tone coming through, try and make some sense as you carry on in denial, you wont look a puppy with someone standing on its tail.

You are a delusional fanboy with Rose glasses on, its very easy to prove so instead of denial how about you address what the world of boxing knows about the weights dates and man himself saying how drained he was, its all on video, its all in quoted comments made by the very people involved from Roach to Oscar to the commentators viewing the results the evidence is everywhere only a fool could deny Oscar was drained badly. If you were real about things that's common knowledge you would get lot more respect in here, you cant bare to think oh Manny beat up on a dried out POW version of Oscar, Oh no not my Manny its a lie he killed the best version of Oscar ever lol fck lol, Manny wouldn't go near Oscar with a 10ft pole at 154, just like he wouldnt go near Cotto at 147 and then at 154 even after calling Cotto out he wanted ANOTHER CW for fck sake, Mannys career is so orchestrated, so built of the back of drained a few high profile name guys that he would not dare fight without that draining, built like a cartoon superman for his child like fans, you got the same BS going on as a teenage girls love of a Boy band, thats why you rant about Thurman who was a a wreck, again the proof is there in Thurmans lead up and injury history and then including Manny was favorite to beat Thurman, in jumps Ugas and makes his look easy, lucky it wasnt Spence or Manny leaves on another stoppage loss. dam his career is such a scripted affair. - - Drained Oscar melted l'l floydy like a spilt snowcone on a summer sidewalk, KO without throwing a punch. Everyone on this forum has seen the meltdown replete with him wiping the flowing nasal mucous and tears with a white towel and then mopping his face up with it. I'd feel sorry for him if he weren't a woman beater needing a pair of his 300lb Security Beefsters to restrain his kids so they can watch him put a whoopin' on their mama, but yo, he your guy, so there's that. Put Oscar on BALCO Juan vitamins and he beats Marquez every day of the week and twice on Sundays, so there again, there's that!

F**k you how about that. Oscar got the brakes beat off him from a fighter giving up height and reach. Floyd pitty patted with Oscar for 12 rounds to a split decision, a year prior, and all you Floyd boys been making up excuses ever since. Marquez at welterweight is straight weak. Outside of having Manny's number he's done nothing to convince me he could beat even a faded Oscar, which is who both Floyd and Manny fought. All you Floyd boys parroted what Floyd said about Oscar when Brian Kenny reminded him that Manny beat the brakes off him. Nothing but excuses. You are a delusional fanboy with Rose glasses on, its very easy to prove so instead of denial how about you address what the world of boxing knows about the weights dates and man himself saying how drained he was, its all on video, its all in quoted comments made by the very people involved from Roach to Oscar to the commentators viewing the results the evidence is everywhere only a fool could deny Oscar was drained badly. If you were real about things that's common knowledge you would get lot more respect in here, you cant bare to think oh Manny beat up on a dried out POW version of Oscar, Oh no not my Manny its a lie he killed the best version of Oscar ever lol fck lol, Manny wouldn't go near Oscar with a 10ft pole at 154, just like he wouldnt go near Cotto at 147 and then at 154 even after calling Cotto out he wanted ANOTHER CW for fck sake, Mannys career is so orchestrated, so built of the back of drained a few high profile name guys that he would not dare fight without that draining, built like a cartoon superman for his child like fans, you got the same BS going on as a teenage girls love of a Boy band, thats why you rant about Thurman who was a a wreck, again the proof is there in Thurmans lead up and injury history and then including Manny was favorite to beat Thurman, in jumps Ugas and makes his look easy, lucky it wasnt Spence or Manny leaves on another stoppage loss. dam his career is such a scripted affair.

There are guys that just do better against certain guys. JMM jacked off to Pacquiao and was obsessed with him. So JMM does well against Pacquiao, doesn't mean he beats plenty of other guys. Some guys just have someone’s number. Norton was that guy for Ali. Norton got knocked the f out by Foreman marquez against: diaz W(but Diaz did just beat morales) de la hoya L hatton L cotto L clottey L margarito L bradley L shane W (questionable since we don't really know how he'd do with shane's style) rios W(still questionable but probably a baby bull type of performance) algieri W(still in the air too with algieri's length) vargas L(vargas drops him and plus vargas has a long jab) horn L (austrailia robbery) matthysse W broner W(in the air since he hasn't shown to do good with this style) thurman(L) ugas(L) 6-11(and of these 6, I think only the Diaz and Lucas one is no debate there, the other wins seems like he could lose those as well) I always compare it to metallo and superman. metallo does great against superman, but put him in with anyone else and he looks ordinary/mediocre another funny thing is folks always say how greatly matched pacquiao was to make him look good. couldn't the same be said for marquez? I mean a lot of the fights he looked good at were the come forward face first guys weren't they? who'd he really beat that had movement and was a bad match up style wise for him? guys who could box and had movement he lost to. the ones he beat who could box(marco and joel) were way passed it JMM aggressive counter punching style who wasnt afraid of mixing it up was a perfect clash with Mannys come foward style. It was guaranteed to be a war. $$$ If you are matching JMM to Mannys resume. I agree with most but taking Ls due to size, reach. Basically having an ineffective style match up bc of the physical disadvantages imo. IMO JMM UDs both Rios and Broner. If we are talking the Shane(who fought Manny) that would be honestly a good fight hard to say for me. Shane seemed slower and more flat footed to me his power if connected to a smaller Juan who knows. I still have to disagree about that version of Oscar, if he was healthy of course he would.

I never understood a reason for a 3rd fight(let alone the 4th fight). It wasn't like Marquez was going up in weight and was making a case for himself. He was staying in lower weight classes after getting schooled by floyd, and was fighting the baby bulls and katsidis' of the world, yet he was able to land a Pacquiao fight when he on record was 0-1-1(when it could've easily been 0-2). totally undeserving of a 3rd fight. he roids up in that fight and is bigger than manny on fight night and then roids again in the 4th fight and was able to land his hail mary. Landed that miracle half court shot, picked up his ball, and went home and didn't even want to keep playing even though he was given so many chances prior. Yeah completely agree, as you said it was the third fight where he was noticeably larger than Manny, people mistakenly assume he only started strength conditioning during the fourth fight though in actuality it was in the third fight that he had that physique metamorphosis.

The Oscar De La Hoya who fought Pacquiao was in a bad way, and extremely weight drained. De La Hoya underestimated Pacquiao and believed he could still beat him while weight drained etc Marquez would most likely beat that version of Oscar De La Hoya. But any other version of Oscar De La Hoya, would completely annihilate Marquez. Note: I am not sure why people are speaking very highly of Pacquiao's win over De La Hoya? Oscar De La Hoya was severely weight drained. Nobody at that point in boxing, knew that Pacquiao was going to move up in weight and still carry his punching power. As Pauli Malignaggi has pointed out 'Unlike most other fighters who move up in weight, and have to adapt their style? Pacquiao never adapted his style, he never showed people any new tactics, he just fought exactly the same'. Pacquiao's punching power, speed, and strength seemingly all increased as he moved up in weight. Oscar De La Hoya did not anticipate this, and believed he could still beat Pacquiao while weight drained. It all back fired. That fight was the start of Manny Pacquiao's destructive series of fights. The most destructive series of championship fights, since Mike Tyson's first world heavyweight championship reign. Bionic Pacquiao

Exactly this, On another note Manny beat Marquez 3 times, the 1st two times very clearly as i never understood that narrative, Also if Manny really wanted to after being robbed in the 1st Fight and instead given a draw, he easily could have just ran away with the "draw" or even after the 2nd win against Marquez & never give him a rematch, which seems to be quite accepted around here when another fighter does the same and finish his claim as being the best or something along those lines...…….. I never understood a reason for a 3rd fight(let alone the 4th fight). It wasn't like Marquez was going up in weight and was making a case for himself. He was staying in lower weight classes after getting schooled by floyd, and was fighting the baby bulls and katsidis' of the world, yet he was able to land a Pacquiao fight when he on record was 0-1-1(when it could've easily been 0-2). totally undeserving of a 3rd fight. he roids up in that fight and is bigger than manny on fight night and then roids again in the 4th fight and was able to land his hail mary. Landed that miracle half court shot, picked up his ball, and went home and didn't even want to keep playing even though he was given so many chances prior.

Oscar was robbed way more than JMM. He was robbed against Floyd and Mosley in the rematch. Not to mention Mosley was likely juiced for both fights. He was also robbed in the Trinidad fight, though he does get some of the blame for trying to coast those last few rounds. JMM has never been robbed despite all the Manny haters who think he won. In fact, Manny was robbed in their first fight because judge Clements never scored the third knockdown in round one for Manny, otherwise that draw is a win for Manny. Exactly this, On another note Manny beat Marquez 3 times, the 1st two times very clearly as i never understood that narrative, Also if Manny really wanted to after being robbed in the 1st Fight and instead given a draw, he easily could have just ran away with the "draw" or even after the 2nd win against Marquez & never give him a rematch, which seems to be quite accepted around here when another fighter does the same and finish his claim as being the best or something along those lines...……..

145 weighin 2lb gain in 30 hrs, IV tracks in his arm, looked like sht at 150lbs in his previous fight against a soft punching LW. I thought you was describing Floyd

That would have been a very close and competitive fight then. Marquez was undersized but extremely sharp that night, but just ran into someone who did everything he did better. Oscar would have had size but no speed, Marquez would have been tagging him on the way out all night. SD win for one or the other. yea I could see that and since it's Oscar, I could see him getting the nod

That one was roided I am speaking of the fat slow Marquez that drank his piss and ate bird eggs against Floyd That would have been a very close and competitive fight then. Marquez was undersized but extremely sharp that night, but just ran into someone who did everything he did better. Oscar would have had size but no speed, Marquez would have been tagging him on the way out all night. SD win for one or the other.

How can he not be dead man walking you idiot, 145 weighin 2lb gain in 30 hrs, IV tracks in his arm, hadn't been near 147 in 12 yrs, looked like sht at 150lbs in his previous fight against a soft punching LW. And on top of all the pre fight information freely available, then there was his performance it was terrible flat-footed no power no resistance, what is also known in boxing as deadman walking, listen to the commentary and count how m,any times they comment on how sucked out Oscar is.. Then go look at a younger Oscar at 154 KOing a MW and at 154 fighting Floyd, the difference in power intensity strength and stamina was chalk and cheese. Youre a deadbeat idiot with your head so far up Manny ass you cant see anything to do with him or Floyd without it being smeared in sht. F**k you how about that. Oscar got the brakes beat off him from a fighter giving up height and reach. Floyd pitty patted with Oscar for 12 rounds to a split decision, a year prior, and all you Floyd boys been making up excuses ever since. Marquez at welterweight is straight weak. Outside of having Manny's number he's done nothing to convince me he could beat even a faded Oscar, which is who both Floyd and Manny fought. All you Floyd boys parroted what Floyd said about Oscar when Brian Kenny reminded him that Manny beat the brakes off him. Nothing but excuses.

Can't forget too how Oscar is the name and Marquez is always "getting robbed". If "fat" Marquez kept it close and went 12 with "dead man" Oscar, Oscar is the name so of course he'd also get the decision It's hilarious how folks shit on how bad Oscar was, yet Oscar was the favorite to win it(also betting favorite). Wasn't there a thing where people said Oscar was going to beat Manny with his jab alone? lol Oscar was robbed way more than JMM. He was robbed against Floyd and Mosley in the rematch. Not to mention Mosley was likely juiced for both fights. He was also robbed in the Trinidad fight, though he does get some of the blame for trying to coast those last few rounds. JMM has never been robbed despite all the Manny haters who think he won. In fact, Manny was robbed in their first fight because judge Clements never scored the third knockdown in round one for Manny, otherwise that draw is a win for Manny.

De La Hoya would use his height and reach advantage to keep Marquez on the end of his punches. Oscar would win the counter punch war. Marquez isn’t as aggressive as Manny, he would sit back and try to counter Oscar, but Oscar would have all the advantages and plenty of time to fight his fight without Marquez being on the attack. Oscar by UD. Can't forget too how Oscar is the name and Marquez is always "getting robbed". If "fat" Marquez kept it close and went 12 with "dead man" Oscar, Oscar is the name so of course he'd also get the decision It's hilarious how folks shit on how bad Oscar was, yet Oscar was the favorite to win it(also betting favorite). Wasn't there a thing where people said Oscar was going to beat Manny with his jab alone? lol

May has more skill than JMM and Pac. Yeah, so. Why keep bragging about it? Lol. No one cares. The rivalry between Juan and Manny can go either way depending on who you are a greater fan of or just like their different style. But in their case it was heads up ALL fights. No argument if you say JMM is a greater fighter but resume wise, no. There are guys that just do better against certain guys. JMM jacked off to Pacquiao and was obsessed with him. So JMM does well against Pacquiao, doesn't mean he beats plenty of other guys. Some guys just have someone’s number. Norton was that guy for Ali. Norton got knocked the f out by Foreman marquez against: diaz W(but Diaz did just beat morales) de la hoya L hatton L cotto L clottey L margarito L bradley L shane W (questionable since we don't really know how he'd do with shane's style) rios W(still questionable but probably a baby bull type of performance) algieri W(still in the air too with algieri's length) vargas L(vargas drops him and plus vargas has a long jab) horn L (austrailia robbery) matthysse W broner W(in the air since he hasn't shown to do good with this style) thurman(L) ugas(L) 6-11(and of these 6, I think only the Diaz and Lucas one is no debate there, the other wins seems like he could lose those as well) I always compare it to metallo and superman. metallo does great against superman, but put him in with anyone else and he looks ordinary/mediocre another funny thing is folks always say how greatly matched pacquiao was to make him look good. couldn't the same be said for marquez? I mean a lot of the fights he looked good at were the come forward face first guys weren't they? who'd he really beat that had movement and was a bad match up style wise for him? guys who could box and had movement he lost to. the ones he beat who could box(marco and joel) were way passed it

Even at the peak of his prime, guys who boxed and counterpunched could give De La Hoya trouble. Like Manny, he really shined against punchers/pressure fighters. Marquez was still very sharp in the third fight with Pacquiao, whereas Oscar looked like Klitschko against Joshua - the ring IQ was still there, but the reflexes were gone and he was punching in slow motion. That Marquez would have picked that DLH apart, UD 12. That one was roided I am speaking of the fat slow Marquez that drank his piss and ate bird eggs against Floyd

Oscar is gassed inside 6 rounds., that was the worst version of Oscar to ever set foot in a ring, Oscar would destroy both Manny and JMM at 135 but an old badly drained version is no match for any top liner near the weight, that's why Steve Forbes gave him such a torrid time at 150 let alone another 3lbs lighter on fight night, the Manny fanboys have no idea how messed up Oscar was, which was none of Manny's fault Oscar just fcked up badly, but that was a shadow of the real Odh. - - Shadow of Oscar melted U candyboy without throwing punch > than any version of TBE TUE 50-0. Tenshin in da house!!!

The oscar at 147 vs manny was a dead man walking. Marquez by stoppage

De La Hoya would use his height and reach advantage to keep Marquez on the end of his punches. Oscar would win the counter punch war. Marquez isn’t as aggressive as Manny, he would sit back and try to counter Oscar, but Oscar would have all the advantages and plenty of time to fight his fight without Marquez being on the attack. Oscar by UD. Oscar is gassed inside 6 rounds., that was the worst version of Oscar to ever set foot in a ring, Oscar would destroy both Manny and JMM at 135 but an old badly drained version is no match for any top liner near the weight, that's why Steve Forbes gave him such a torrid time at 150 let alone another 3lbs lighter on fight night, the Manny fanboys have no idea how messed up Oscar was, which was none of Manny's fault Oscar just fcked up badly, but that was a shadow of the real Odh.

De La Hoya would use his height and reach advantage to keep Marquez on the end of his punches. Oscar would win the counter punch war. Marquez isn’t as aggressive as Manny, he would sit back and try to counter Oscar, but Oscar would have all the advantages and plenty of time to fight his fight without Marquez being on the attack. Oscar by UD.