Name The Fighters In Boxing History That Moved Up A Weight Class & Fought & Beat A Prime Elite Fighter Their 1ST Fight At The Weight

Natasha Jonas :boxing:

Did anyone mention Spinks going up to fight Larry Holmes in his first fight??

look at the topic and question it clearly states at that weight.....leonard has never been at either just over 154 up to 160 at any time before the hagler fight which means he was never a middleweight. with your logic it can never be possible for a fighter to fight someone a weight heavier is what your saying lol.......Leonard has never been at that weight he was below the middleweight weight range Sure they can. If a fighters never had a bout at a weight class, when he has his first bout at the new weight, they're fighting someone a weight class heavier. Use my example of Henry Armstrong vs Barney Ross as an immediate example. Armstrong had never had any WW bouts prior, Ross being his first WW bout. There's a plehtora of examples obviously. Ray Leonard's case, his first fight at Middleweight was Marcotte. My "logic" is very simple, if you have 2 bouts at a 160 limit vs middleweights, then return to that weight class years later that isn't your first fight at that weight. Yes, the topic; "Name The Fighters In Boxing History That Moved Up A Weight Class & Fought & Beat A Prime Elite Fighter Their 1ST Fight At The Weight" You see how the emphasis is on "1st" there? In capitals? It's highlighting it must be their first bout at the new weight class. Ray Leonard had two Middleweight bouts, vs Middleweights, who weighed 160 lbs and 155lbs. This means, categorically, and factually, that his fight with Marvin Hagler wasn't his first Middleweight bout. This isn't a debatable topic, it's a matter of fact. It's cut and dry, black and white.

Your opening statement isn't coherent, I'd suggest trying again. Boxing matches are set at weight classes with weight limits. It's then on the fighter themselves if they choose to weigh under that limit. Immediate example springing to mind is Ray Robinson Vs Jake Lamotta, Robinson weighing in at 144 for the first bout, still a Middleweight bout. Regular occurrence back then, plethora of examples of guys coming in way under the weigh class limit. An example from the modern era would be Pacquaio vs Margarito, a Jr Middleweight bout where Pacquaio weighed in under the Welterweight limit at 144lbs, still doesn't change it from being a Jr Middleweight bout. Very simple stuff mate, Leonard's fight with Hagler wasn't his first Middleweight bout. That's not a debatable topic it's a matter of fact. He had two previous Middleweight bouts, one with Marcotte and one with Geraldo. What Leonard himself weighed for those Middleweight bouts is totally irrelevant. look at the topic and question it clearly states at that weight.....leonard has never been at either just over 154 up to 160 at any time before the hagler fight which means he was never a middleweight. with your logic it can never be possible for a fighter to fight someone a weight heavier is what your saying lol.......Leonard has never been at that weight he was below the middleweight weight range

OP clearly says prime. Hopkins was far from it. Fair point but he was still top 5 p4p.

Calzaghe beating Hopkins at 175. Hopkins was no spring chicken at that stage but still classed as one of the elites in the sport at the time OP clearly says prime. Hopkins was far from it.

Calzaghe beating Hopkins at 175. Hopkins was no spring chicken at that stage but still classed as one of the elites in the sport at the time

roy jones vs john ruiz?

Weight is a massive leveler in this sport, but it also matters who they are, Kell Brook lol is no reference and does not represent the elite, put Leonard in that fight and its a different story, and Floyd would have been on his toes and moving all night, and Floyd keep a great pace for 12 rounds, if Floyd stood with GGG like he did Maidana he would get killed, but if GGG cannot catch him what is the scores then, business man is another stupid comment, all the top guys are businessmen Understand this in boxing if they cannot hit you they cannot win. GGG could just makes that arms sore by clubbing on them if May tries that shoulder shyte. For the rest... Mayweather can in no possible even scratch GGG, look at Maidana's face after both encounters ... nothing not even a scratch. So GGG has nothing to worry about and can just put on a relentless pace putting May through the meat grinder. However FMW had never any intention of taking that fight so you might aswell talk about fairy tales.

Weight is a massive leveler in this sport, but it also matters who they are, Kell Brook lol is no reference and does not represent the elite, put Leonard in that fight and its a different story, and Floyd would have been on his toes and moving all night, and Floyd keep a great pace for 12 rounds, if Floyd stood with GGG like he did Maidana he would get killed, but if GGG cannot catch him what is the scores then, business man is another stupid comment, all the top guys are businessmen Understand this in boxing if they cannot hit you they cannot win. - - l'l Floydy says GGG can't win at 154 for Floydy belt or 155 for GGG belt if l'l feller refuse the fight. Dum a massive handicap in this sport as U prove.

GGG would have dogwalked and punished small Mayweather all night, remember May was a business man for the most part. That Kell Brook fight really showed the difference between a 147 fighter and a natural middle weight. Weight is a massive leveler in this sport, but it also matters who they are, Kell Brook lol is no reference and does not represent the elite, put Leonard in that fight and its a different story, and Floyd would have been on his toes and moving all night, and Floyd keep a great pace for 12 rounds, if Floyd stood with GGG like he did Maidana he would get killed, but if GGG cannot catch him what is the scores then, business man is another stupid comment, all the top guys are businessmen Understand this in boxing if they cannot hit you they cannot win.

so according to your logic it’s impossible for a fighter in a lower weight class to fight for a world title in a higher weight because that fighter is heavier than him....that’s bollocks leonard was inside the light middleweight limit so he might have fought a fighter who weighed in the middle weight but leonard was a weight below.....boxing is done on weight limits and leonard was never more than a light middleweight before he faced off with hagler......both those fights were not for titles or accolades so there is no stipulation on what weight they came in to that ring and if both those fighters ( marcotte , Geraldo ) came in over the agreed weight then that’s bollocks as I said........I suggest you look up fighting outside your weight class as reference Your opening statement isn't coherent, I'd suggest trying again. Boxing matches are set at weight classes with weight limits. It's then on the fighter themselves if they choose to weigh under that limit. Immediate example springing to mind is Ray Robinson Vs Jake Lamotta, Robinson weighing in at 144 for the first bout, still a Middleweight bout. Regular occurrence back then, plethora of examples of guys coming in way under the weigh class limit. An example from the modern era would be Pacquaio vs Margarito, a Jr Middleweight bout where Pacquaio weighed in under the Welterweight limit at 144lbs, still doesn't change it from being a Jr Middleweight bout. Very simple stuff mate, Leonard's fight with Hagler wasn't his first Middleweight bout. That's not a debatable topic it's a matter of fact. He had two previous Middleweight bouts, one with Marcotte and one with Geraldo. What Leonard himself weighed for those Middleweight bouts is totally irrelevant.

- - ie: U don't understand Manny infinitely greater than monkey BS criteria. Got it! Mannys career is full of monkey BS, you got to be a monkey not to see all the man-made handicaps he put on his opponents, lucky for him if he fought them legit no handicap he would have 15 or so losses instead of 8, dam 8 loses, lost in the beginning, lost in the middle and left the sport on a loss, Manny was a loser.

Gtfoh. Why these Floyd boys always trying to give Floyd credit for beating shopworn fighters. He could have jumped up to mw and took a crack at GGG for that dubious distinction but he was scared Only little boys that have never boxed a single round talk of scared fighters, the talk of prime is all fanboy talk like its a day they chose to suit their agenda, prime ability is actually 95% of an elite fighter's career, shopworn lol so shopworn he was knocking out MWS and only beaten by Mosley Trinidad and Hopkins. And the irony is you praise Manny for beating a shadow of Oscar that was 20lbs lighter and 2 yrs later as a massive win you're a joke kiddo.

:thinking: I'm not sure where you're lost here mate. Leonard vs Marcotte and Leonard vs Geraldo were fought at a 160 limit thus were Middleweight bouts. Meaning his fight with Marvin Hagler wasn't his first bout at Middleweight. so according to your logic it’s impossible for a fighter in a lower weight class to fight for a world title in a higher weight because that fighter is heavier than him....that’s bollocks leonard was inside the light middleweight limit so he might have fought a fighter who weighed in the middle weight but leonard was a weight below.....boxing is done on weight limits and leonard was never more than a light middleweight before he faced off with hagler......both those fights were not for titles or accolades so there is no stipulation on what weight they came in to that ring and if both those fighters ( marcotte , Geraldo ) came in over the agreed weight then that’s bollocks as I said........I suggest you look up fighting outside your weight class as reference

- - ie: U don't understand Manny infinitely greater than monkey BS criteria. Got it! I'm not sure if you understand how this boxing forum thing works. The TS has asked a specific question, we then answer it with examples that fit that criteria. You're listing examples that don't fit the criteria. Or maybe you're just brain dead? I don't know.

Gtfoh. Why these Floyd boys always trying to give Floyd credit for beating shopworn fighters. He could have jumped up to mw and took a crack at GGG for that dubious distinction but he was scared GGG would have dogwalked and punished small Mayweather all night, remember May was a business man for the most part. That Kell Brook fight really showed the difference between a 147 fighter and a natural middle weight.

One fighter must be moving up, the other has to be established at the weight. It's ok if udk, you don't have to comment. Michael Spinks vs Tyson

- - ie: U don't understand Manny infinitely greater than monkey BS criteria. Got it! Manny was really good but that 3lbs weight discrepancy in those lower weight classes is shameful.

Irrelevant isn't it. It wasn't his first fight at 126 so it doesn't meet TS criteria. Oscar wasn't in his prime so it doesn't meet TS criteria. - - ie: U don't understand Manny infinitely greater than monkey BS criteria. Got it!