I'm not really sure I see him beating or coming close to beating the likes of Crawford, Spence, Ennis, Ortiz at WW. Taylor has had a very good run at 140 and yesterday was a poor performance but he's done enough work to get a pass. I think he was probably a bit drained and just didn't have the best of camps that led to that performance....But how do you guys see him faring at WW? Taylor was a HUGE 140 pounder and used that to his advantage but he's not going to be able to bully the names I listed. Those guys are also naturally big guys themselves. I just don't think Taylor's defense is good enough to win decisions against fighters who are equally as skilled and just as big as him. Taylor also does not jab nearly enough so that right there is a big issue since he won't just be able to physically impose his will on the inside.
He's a top 10 P4P fighter but top 5? I don't think so and at WW he may not even be top 5. What do you guys think?
Camp and sparring is not fighting. You can make weight but that doesn't mean you are strong at that weight. You won't know until you actually get into the ring in a real fight.
It does matter who Tank fights at 140, because it will be another bum, which is how he is padding his record. He's an overrated hype job without one marquee opponent to his name. Living under the Floyd/Haymon protection plan. Just like the Charlo bums.
Did you see the fight? Strength wasn’t the issue. He just got outboxed. Even most of the post fight comments were about him needing a new trainer, not outgrowing the weight.
You mean like beating Linares before Loma? Or Cruz who was ranked right behind Kambosis at 135? You’re not making any sense.
Taylor went to 147. He’s going to vacate the belts. Tank will fight who ever the sanctioning bodies order him to if he plans to win a title at 140.
The call out was fake. The presser was damage control because Arum realized the Crawford fight was a no go after a dreadful performance by Josh.
You know during camp if you can’t make weight. You get weighed before fight night.
It wasn’t just something he realized after the fight.
Josh is vacating the belts to go to 147 so it doesn’t matter who Tank fights at 140.
Camp and sparring is not fighting. You can make weight but that doesn't mean you are strong at that weight. You won't know until you actually get into the ring in a real fight.
It does matter who Tank fights at 140, because it will be another bum, which is how he is padding his record. He's an overrated hype job without one marquee opponent to his name. Living under the Floyd/Haymon protection plan. Just like the Charlo bums.
You don't know how your body is going to respond until you get into the ring and fight. He struggled with Catterall and realized making 140 may not be feasible any longer. If you ever got into a boxing ring yourself you would know that. But you're a fat spectator sitting on his couch stuffing his face full of cheese doodles and wiping his orange stained fingers on the upholstery.
I'm not wrong on this. Mark my words...Tank will fight a bum for the vacated titles. That is if he can avoid arrest in 2022.
The call out was fake. The presser was damage control because Arum realized the Crawford fight was a no go after a dreadful performance by Josh.
You know during camp if you can’t make weight. You get weighed before fight night.
It wasn’t just something he realized after the fight.
Josh is vacating the belts to go to 147 so it doesn’t matter who Tank fights at 140.
Lmfao. He made the call out during the week. He had to know he was having a hard time making 140.
3 days later after a loss he then suddenly decides he’s outgrown the weight. worse, you know what I give him the benefit of the doubt after just posting he outgrew the weight.
Dude you look like a dumb ass for even posting that. It’s clear he lied. pretend Josh is black. You’d be calling him a liar already. Lol.
Its just so much easier to admit you’re wrong but as we saw in the other threads you’re not adult enough to do that.
You don't know how your body is going to respond until you get into the ring and fight. He struggled with Catterall and realized making 140 may not be feasible any longer. If you ever got into a boxing ring yourself you would know that. But you're a fat spectator sitting on his couch stuffing his face full of cheese doodles and wiping his orange stained fingers on the upholstery.
I'm not wrong on this. Mark my words...Tank will fight a bum for the vacated titles. That is if he can avoid arrest in 2022.
Likely after the Catterall fight. But again, he could not have predicted the outcome or that his body has outgrown 140. Now if Tank accepts or insists on a shot, I'm sure Taylor would get down to 140 one last time. But Tank won't do that, he'll wait for the titles to be practically handed to him when they line up a bum-fight for him at 140 for vacant titles.
Lmfao. He made the call out during the week. He had to know he was having a hard time making 140.
3 days later after a loss he then suddenly decides he’s outgrown the weight. worse, you know what I give him the benefit of the doubt after just posting he outgrew the weight.
Dude you look like a dumb ass for even posting that. It’s clear he lied. pretend Josh is black. You’d be calling him a liar already. Lol.
Its just so much easier to admit you’re wrong but as we saw in the other threads you’re not adult enough to do that.
Sorry dude but you’re wrong,
You failed to answer the question- when was he going to fight Taylor once he won the titles given he was out hurt and his 1st fight after was a mando defense?
Likely after the Catterall fight. But again, he could not have predicted the outcome or that his body has outgrown 140. Now if Tank accepts or insists on a shot, I'm sure Taylor would get down to 140 one last time. But Tank won't do that, he'll wait for the titles to be practically handed to him when they line up a bum-fight for him at 140 for vacant titles.
Crawford was a name being tossed around. There were no contracts drawn, no negotiations. Just baseless talk.
I've been calling for Tank to fight someone with a pulse. I knew he would never challenge Taylor. Same way he ducked Loma, Teo, Garcia and Haney. Taylor merely said that if Tank calls himself a champion, the only way that is possible at 140 is to fight him. He wasn't wrong.
Sorry dude but you’re wrong,
You failed to answer the question- when was he going to fight Taylor once he won the titles given he was out hurt and his 1st fight after was a mando defense?
No he wasn’t. The plan was Crawford at 147.
Odh confirmed there wasn’t. Yes Charlo shot himself in the foot by getting arrested . Cost him a huge payday. No one to blame but himself.
Stop it. When you didn’t want Tank to get a fight,you talked about his not deserving it. Once Taylor fake calls him out, you shift to Impmyi g Tank is ok to fight Taylor solely so you can say he’s ducking.
His next fight is likely a “mando” , Rolly Romero, for his “ wba” belt.
Crawford was a name being tossed around. There were no contracts drawn, no negotiations. Just baseless talk.
I've been calling for Tank to fight someone with a pulse. I knew he would never challenge Taylor. Same way he ducked Loma, Teo, Garcia and Haney. Taylor merely said that if Tank calls himself a champion, the only way that is possible at 140 is to fight him. He wasn't wrong.
It doesn't make sense to accuse Taylor of a fake callout. He had planned on fighting at 140 until this last fight where he under-performed. He doesn't feel he can continue at 140.
There was an offer to Charlo, he is lying. Of course he was just arrested on felony assault so 2022 is not off to a good start for him, typical PBC fighter.
I didn't shift my position. I pointed out that Tank hasn't fought anyone and doesn't have any intention of fighting anyone dangerous. I also predicted the only way he would pursue a title at 140 would be after Taylor vacated the titles or had them stripped. He will fight a no-hoper next, and I stand by that.
No he wasn’t. The plan was Crawford at 147.
Odh confirmed there wasn’t. Yes Charlo shot himself in the foot by getting arrested . Cost him a huge payday. No one to blame but himself.
Stop it. When you didn’t want Tank to get a fight,you talked about his not deserving it. Once Taylor fake calls him out, you shift to Impmyi g Tank is ok to fight Taylor solely so you can say he’s ducking.
His next fight is likely a “mando” , Rolly Romero, for his “ wba” belt.
He's not and never had been top 20 P4P, never mind top 5. Top 40, maybe. People seem to forget, he lost a good 5 rounds vs Baranchuk, who is quite useless, and despite what the scorecards where, for 9-10 rounds vs Postol, before the knockdown and late improvement, there was not a blade of grass in it, and Postol is just a half decent contender, Crawford made him look like a guy from the crowd.
Prograis was a good win, razor close, but Prograis, has a very poor resume, so hard to say how good he is, and Ramirez, who I had Taylor beating 116-110, imo, lost to Postol, so hardly the world beating resume people have made it out to be. Taylor won at most 4 rounds yesterday against a little known, and little fancied Englishman, the same Englishman who barely beat Tyrone Nurse, Ohara Davies, and Tyrone McKenna, all in recent years, these aren't results from Catterall's early career, these are peak Catterall results.
All the talk of Taylor being Britain's number 1 over Fury were laughable. A finished Kell Brook would send Taylor into retirement, never mind someone like Crawford. The Taylor hype is over. Mark the words of the Great Nash. Nash out.
Class is in session with Professor Nash, teach these boys Mr. Nash.
Nash is IN CLASS mofos :boxing:
I answered the question directly 3 times. I then reminded you I never was against it as you were. Tour diversion and deflection attempts failed.
He’s not ducking Taylor. Taylor made a fake call out and then told the world the plan about Crawford at 147 falling through because he stunk it up and how he will never be going back to 147.
You chimed in about Tank for reasons we all know, you just didn’t watch the post fight where Taylor said all this. So you look like a tool with an agenda.
No charlo didn’t. Odh told everyone the truth. There was never a real offer. That stated, I have no issue with him fighting Canelo without fighting at 168.
Andrade is no factor in the discussions as he isnt getting a Canelo fight.
Now can you tell us why you shifted your position just to criticize Tank? Imo it’s because being a hypocrite isn’t as important to you as your anti black agenda. If I’m wrong please explain why?
It doesn't make sense to accuse Taylor of a fake callout. He had planned on fighting at 140 until this last fight where he under-performed. He doesn't feel he can continue at 140.
There was an offer to Charlo, he is lying. Of course he was just arrested on felony assault so 2022 is not off to a good start for him, typical PBC fighter.
I didn't shift my position. I pointed out that Tank hasn't fought anyone and doesn't have any intention of fighting anyone dangerous. I also predicted the only way he would pursue a title at 140 would be after Taylor vacated the titles or had them stripped. He will fight a no-hoper next, and I stand by that.
Thanks for ducking the direct question.
I've been calling for Tank to fight someone for years now. He's ducking all the best fighters at their best. Including Taylor.
Charlo priced himself out at 160. He's not a serious contender if he thinks he is worth more than $12M. He's not a PPV attraction, and can't pack a venue outside of Houston on his name alone. Andrade can't draw flies.
I answered the question directly 3 times. I then reminded you I never was against it as you were. Tour diversion and deflection attempts failed.
He’s not ducking Taylor. Taylor made a fake call out and then told the world the plan about Crawford at 147 falling through because he stunk it up and how he will never be going back to 147.
You chimed in about Tank for reasons we all know, you just didn’t watch the post fight where Taylor said all this. So you look like a tool with an agenda.
No charlo didn’t. Odh told everyone the truth. There was never a real offer. That stated, I have no issue with him fighting Canelo without fighting at 168.
Andrade is no factor in the discussions as he isnt getting a Canelo fight.
Now can you tell us why you shifted your position just to criticize Tank? Imo it’s because being a hypocrite isn’t as important to you as your anti black agenda. If I’m wrong please explain why?
Lmfao. You’re the one who was against it but shifted solely to criticize Tank.
I ask why you shifted your position. You try to change this into something else.
Geez.
Thanks for ducking the direct question.
I've been calling for Tank to fight someone for years now. He's ducking all the best fighters at their best. Including Taylor.
Charlo priced himself out at 160. He's not a serious contender if he thinks he is worth more than $12M. He's not a PPV attraction, and can't pack a venue outside of Houston on his name alone. Andrade can't draw flies.
So double standard then. Charlo can fight Canelo for undisputed titles at 168 without ever competing at that weight, but Tank can't fight Taylor for undisputed titles at 140, even though he has already competed once at that weight? Gotcha Dunn!
Lmfao. You’re the one who was against it but shifted solely to criticize Tank.
I ask why you shifted your position. You try to change this into something else.
Geez.
I never claimed they”made sense” so why are you asking me about something I didn’t post that isnt related to the thread topic?
By this logic, charlo wouldn’t be jumping the line either. Canelo waited to fight him and is making the fight at 168. Right?
Tank v Loma and Floyd have nothing to do with Taylor’s comments.
So double standard then. Charlo can fight Canelo for undisputed titles at 168 without ever competing at that weight, but Tank can't fight Taylor for undisputed titles at 140, even though he has already competed once at that weight? Gotcha Dunn!
I didn't see you post your position on Charlo/Canelo here. Not directly. Stop ducking the question. It's a direct and very simple question. If Tank vs Taylor doesn't make sense because Tank only had one fight at 140, then why would Charlo vs Canelo or Andrade vs Canelo make sense at 168?
GGG is not jumping in line, Canelo is the one who decided he wants the trilogy 4 years after it's expiration date because Golovkin is 40 years old now. Just like Tank who said Loma will be 40 eventually, eluding to ducking him until he is no longer in his prime. Just like Floyd did his entire career.
I never claimed they”made sense” so why are you asking me about something I didn’t post that isnt related to the thread topic?
By this logic, charlo wouldn’t be jumping the line either. Canelo waited to fight him and is making the fight at 168. Right?
Tank v Loma and Floyd have nothing to do with Taylor’s comments.
It’s lying because the plan was Crawford at 147 but that is off the table because he performed so poorly.
Taylor never had any intention of staying at 140 and fighting anyone, not just Tank. He called out Tank because he is the money guy at 135 and because Arum easily manipulates the media and fans that don’t like Haymon.
If you called it months ago, that is why you are stubbornly and stupidly clinging to it now. You were prematurely prognosticating based on hating Tank.
I answered both questions about Charlo and Andrade directly.
Lmfao. You have been against That in the past. you then contradict your own position solely to criticize Tank. That is why I brought it up. I haven’t so to suggest I have a double standard makes no sense.
No, neither does. Canelo is fighting Bivol. Then GGG. GGG is the one jumping in line, as you said. Not charlo. If charlo got the fight I’d be fine with it.
I didn't see you post your position on Charlo/Canelo here. Not directly. Stop ducking the question. It's a direct and very simple question. If Tank vs Taylor doesn't make sense because Tank only had one fight at 140, then why would Charlo vs Canelo or Andrade vs Canelo make sense at 168?
GGG is not jumping in line, Canelo is the one who decided he wants the trilogy 4 years after it's expiration date because Golovkin is 40 years old now. Just like Tank who said Loma will be 40 eventually, eluding to ducking him until he is no longer in his prime. Just like Floyd did his entire career.
No, it would be a fake call out if he stayed at 140 and then refused to fight him. But getting into a tough fight at 140 and deciding afterward that he is no longer at his best at 140 is not lying. That's just being honest with himself. Lets face it, Tank never had any intention of challenging Taylor for his titles. He was going to wait it out until he moved up or was stripped. Then fight for a vacant title. I called this months ago.
Nice how you ducked my Charlo question. So does either Charlo or Andrade deserve a shot at Canelo's undisputed title at 168 even though they haven't fought at that weight? Watch them double standards now.
It’s lying because the plan was Crawford at 147 but that is off the table because he performed so poorly.
Taylor never had any intention of staying at 140 and fighting anyone, not just Tank. He called out Tank because he is the money guy at 135 and because Arum easily manipulates the media and fans that don’t like Haymon.
If you called it months ago, that is why you are stubbornly and stupidly clinging to it now. You were prematurely prognosticating based on hating Tank.
I answered both questions about Charlo and Andrade directly.
Lmfao. You have been against That in the past. you then contradict your own position solely to criticize Tank. That is why I brought it up. I haven’t so to suggest I have a double standard makes no sense.
No, neither does. Canelo is fighting Bivol. Then GGG. GGG is the one jumping in line, as you said. Not charlo. If charlo got the fight I’d be fine with it.
You’re doing is again. Lmfao. Anything but admit Josh’s call out was fake.
Of course he did. The plan was Crawford at 147 next. Again, you clearly haven’t kept up. This is why you look like a tool.
Tank had one fight at 140. Taylor unified May 2021. Taylor got hurt and the Catterall fight delayed. Didn’t fight again until he made the mando defense Sat, and then announced he is going to 147. When was Tank supposed to fight him?
You clearly don’t know enough to engage in a meaningful debate. Please educate yourself about what happened. To try and force this into a Anti Tank narrative is ridiculous.
No, it would be a fake call out if he stayed at 140 and then refused to fight him. But getting into a tough fight at 140 and deciding afterward that he is no longer at his best at 140 is not lying. That's just being honest with himself. Lets face it, Tank never had any intention of challenging Taylor for his titles. He was going to wait it out until he moved up or was stripped. Then fight for a vacant title. I called this months ago.
Nice how you ducked my Charlo question. So does either Charlo or Andrade deserve a shot at Canelo's undisputed title at 168 even though they haven't fought at that weight? Watch them double standards now.
Since when do you care about keeping a thread on topic? Especially when you hijack every one of them with racial nonsense or somehow injecting Trump into a discussion.
He didn't lie, he just realized after this fight that it's too hard to keep making 140. You sound dumber with each post. Tank had plenty of time to reach for that prize but sat back on his fat ass waiting him out. Now he can fight for a vacant title against some no-hoper and then continue to duck the top contenders at 135 and 140.
You’re doing is again. Lmfao. Anything but admit Josh’s call out was fake.
Of course he did. The plan was Crawford at 147 next. Again, you clearly haven’t kept up. This is why you look like a tool.
Tank had one fight at 140. Taylor unified May 2021. Taylor got hurt and the Catterall fight delayed. Didn’t fight again until he made the mando defense Sat, and then announced he is going to 147. When was Tank supposed to fight him?
You clearly don’t know enough to engage in a meaningful debate. Please educate yourself about what happened. To try and force this into a Anti Tank narrative is ridiculous.
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