Is Crawford an ATG if he retires with no Spence win?

I really hope Ugas wins.

Yes. Crawford is already an ATG but that's a crowded room already. He needs to start fighting the big names to stand out from the ATG crowd. Eventhough he has the skills, he's getting old and time is not on his side. If Crawford retires rightnow, his name will be forgotten because he never fought anyone worth remembering. Can you give a solid reason why you consider him an ATG? I’m curious on your reasoning, based off his accomplishments.

yeah, I'm sure his biggest wins over Indongo, Gamboa, a washed Kell Brooke, Horn, and Porter 30 years from now will have everyone talking..

Yes. Crawford is already an ATG but that's a crowded room already. He needs to start fighting the big names to stand out from the ATG crowd. Eventhough he has the skills, he's getting old and time is not on his side. If Crawford retires rightnow, his name will be forgotten because he never fought anyone worth remembering.

He's an all-time great, ability wise, but with no Great wins he doesn't rank high on any lists of the greatest fighters of the modern era. If he beats Boots or Ortiz I don't think anybody would question his greatness however, because beating a brilliant hungry KO artist young gun being in his mid-30s is still a hell of an achievement. I really hope we see Spence vs Bud at 147 though. If Spence moves up without fighting him even though the fight is there to be made it's a shameful duck.

I just see so many double standards from fans on here who say that Canelo winning undisputed is legacy but when Bud did it it was nothing Not a double standard at all Canelo just has a much better resume. Legacy is the whole career combined not this guy got undisputed so did this guy so they are the same level doesn't work that way. Bottom line is Terrance needs more names on his resume that's all there is to it.

He has the talent but not the fights. Not too late

I just see so many double standards from fans on here who say that Canelo winning undisputed is legacy but when Bud did it it was nothing of course undisputed is good. But standards for nel o is higher. Nel o fights cws and it's a cherry pick? Bud wouldn't step up to 160 or 168 and fight weakest champs, there's not a champ weak enough for bud. Yes, buds undisputed is good but buds not fighting good fighters nearly as often as nel o is.

I don't follow bud but nel o has a lot of good wins plus undisputed. Nel o did it in a space of short time. I'm assuming bud strung it along over years and he's done hardly anything else. Definitely not over 4 divisions. So if people downplay nel o it's a case of just how much do you deny bud in comparison I just see so many double standards from fans on here who say that Canelo winning undisputed is legacy but when Bud did it it was nothing

Unified, 135, Undisputed at 140 and if he finishes his career undefeated, a definite 1st ballot HOFer. ATG is a stretch if them protected boys stay duckin, specifically Spence. Errol btw is not an atg nor a 1st ballot HOFer at this point. If Crawf moves up to 154 and wins a belt and retires undefeated then i can MAYBE see a case made as an atg.

I don’t know if a Spence win alone is going to carve him a place at the ATG table. A HOF’er yes. To be ATG he would need to clean out 147 and maybe even 154.

No but he'll be a Hall of Famer. However, if he becomes a two time multi-divisional undisputed champion after defeating Erroll Spence, Jr then yes he would be considered an all-time great.

No he would be quickly forgotten.

No but he'll be a Hall of Famer. However, if he becomes a two time multi-divisional undisputed champion after defeating Erroll Spence, Jr then yes he would be considered an all-time great.

I think after Spence beats Ugas the fight happens, too much pressure will be put on both guys and their pride will come into play after losing the excuses they used before unification.. .. well my fingers and pinky toes crossed Yeah i hope so as well man would love to see that fight, hopefully Spence is still the goods a few question marks around Spences head. If they are both on form that will be an amazing fight heres hoping dude.

Well Canelo Alvarez did just say that becoming undisputed was the best year of his life. So if that's the best thing this supposed all time great has done then you have to consider Terence Crawford an all time great because he did it already. I don't follow bud but nel o has a lot of good wins plus undisputed. Nel o did it in a space of short time. I'm assuming bud strung it along over years and he's done hardly anything else. Definitely not over 4 divisions. So if people downplay nel o it's a case of just how much do you deny bud in comparison

ATG? no and very much doubt he will get to that stage unless he has a good run of taking names out one by one currently he is only a HOFer resume is paper thin. He keeps saying he doesn't need this Spence fight and Spence seems reluctant too so very much doubt that fight ever gets made. I think after Spence beats Ugas the fight happens, too much pressure will be put on both guys and their pride will come into play after losing the excuses they used before unification.. .. well my fingers and pinky toes crossed

ATG? no and very much doubt he will get to that stage unless he has a good run of taking names out one by one currently he is only a HOFer resume is paper thin. He keeps saying he doesn't need this Spence fight and Spence seems reluctant too so very much doubt that fight ever gets made.

Well Canelo Alvarez did just say that becoming undisputed was the best year of his life. So if that's the best thing this supposed all time great has done then you have to consider Terence Crawford an all time great because he did it already.

Crawford is getting old. He’ll be 35 this year. If he decides to call it quits is he an ATG with no Spence win on his resume? I don’t see the fight happening. If it is going down, won’t be until 2023, maybe 2024. Since Spence is tied up with Ugas and the step aside challenger for the belt. Crawford will be 36, 37 years old if that’s the case. A heavily shop worn Porter would be his best win, that’s not a good thing. Maybe a washed up Khan is his 2nd best win? He is definitely a HOFer! I’m optimistic that before the WW is undisputed, Spence will move up. I could be wrong but he is just so big and sucking down to 47 is gonna eventually take a toll