Prime duran vs loma? How do you think it would go?

Brotha, Duran's career is already over, meaning his success rate will stay at 76%. On the other hand, Loma's career isn't over yet, so it could go down. If you brought up Lomas success rate in his third fight, then it would only have been 66%. Gotta wait till it's all done Secondly, quality of opposition have to be considered when you mention this. Demetrius Andrade has a 100% success rate in title fights. Is he better than Marvin Hagler, who has a lesser success rate? Lol And to the Salido point, if someone even comes close to losing against Salido, or has a questionable fight, then good luck with beating Duran lol we saw how Loma's main weakness are aggressive fighters that are bigger than him. That basically describes Duran :lol1: Part of this was just my giving ShoulderRoll a hard time because he has some animus toward Loma, for whatever reason. We can only go by the eye test, really. No fair comparison can be made to Duran until Loma's career is over. And I initially said I want to see Loma fight Commey first because I want to see how he handles another big puncher like Lopez.

No one at 135 would do a prime Durán, considering he did train.

One beat Leonard, the other got roughed up by Salido. Let me put my thinking cap on for this one.

Figures don’t lie but liars can figure........ Like the quote lol... I think both of you have a point. When looking at these things there are considerations and correlations. I say this because... We can never compare identical things. Fighters are all different, and the general levels of competition, excellence, etc all change. So we can look at the quality of opponents, performance in titles, etc and get a general picture. My own feeling is that Loma is just Duran's Krypton at light weight... Duran hated "cutsey" it is the reason for the "No Mas." Gets frustrated.... If we could take LOma and make him everything he was at lightweight and magically transform him to middle weight I think Duran finds him and beats him. The extra weight helps Duran's punch as well.

What do you mean do I believe this? Those are the real numbers. I'm not making it up. You can check for yourself. I'll put it to you this way, since we are focusing on the lightweight division, clearly Duran has the better work because of how many successful title defenses he made at that weight class. But we have to look at the overall performance, and Lomachenko, according to the numbers, has outperformed Duran in World Title matches. So it's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact because everything I said is true. For example that Loma has an 85 percent success rate in world title matches while Duran has a 76 percent success rate in world title matches. The nice thing about numbers is that they don't lie. Figures don’t lie but liars can figure........

What do you mean do I believe this? Those are the real numbers. I'm not making it up. You can check for yourself. I'll put it to you this way, since we are focusing on the lightweight division, clearly Duran has the better work because of how many successful title defenses he made at that weight class. But we have to look at the overall performance, and Lomachenko, according to the numbers, has outperformed Duran in World Title matches. So it's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact because everything I said is true. For example that Loma has an 85 percent success rate in world title matches while Duran has a 76 percent success rate in world title matches. The nice thing about numbers is that they don't lie. Numbers? How many Hagler's, Hearn's, Leonard's, DeJesus, Buchanan, Barkley, pipino's, palomino's and Moore's does Loma has on his record? You have to put a name on those numbers.

Yup, agree. A lot of fighters simply do not have the mindset to make a lower weight consistently ... Can we legit say "well fighter A can't get down to 130, but if he could!" Now Duran fought as a light weight for many years and maybe if he could have stayed at the weight he would have could have etc... But fact is as you say... he liked to eat... Like a lot of great fighters he has essentially two bodies of work. I should also clarify something... I don't think Duran was a better fighter at Middle, I might have said so, if I did it was a mistake on my part... I just think that in matching up to Loma at that weight it presents some serious problems for Duran. Bad match up. Loma would be hands full for anyone. The guy is a great boxer, and seems to have a good chin. Duran was a very good boxer with an underrated defense, and a murderous punch at LW. He will fight for 15 rounds, non-stop. Prime Duran was lightweight, Loma fought in the amateurs at 132 pounds, so I believe that is his prime weight. Great fight where I'll put my money on Roberto. Be safe.

What do you mean do I believe this? Those are the real numbers. I'm not making it up. You can check for yourself. I'll put it to you this way, since we are focusing on the lightweight division, clearly Duran has the better work because of how many successful title defenses he made at that weight class. But we have to look at the overall performance, and Lomachenko, according to the numbers, has outperformed Duran in World Title matches. So it's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact because everything I said is true. For example that Loma has an 85 percent success rate in world title matches while Duran has a 76 percent success rate in world title matches. The nice thing about numbers is that they don't lie. Brotha, Duran's career is already over, meaning his success rate will stay at 76%. On the other hand, Loma's career isn't over yet, so it could go down. If you brought up Lomas success rate in his third fight, then it would only have been 66%. Gotta wait till it's all done Secondly, quality of opposition have to be considered when you mention this. Demetrius Andrade has a 100% success rate in title fights. Is he better than Marvin Hagler, who has a lesser success rate? Lol And to the Salido point, if someone even comes close to losing against Salido, or has a questionable fight, then good luck with beating Duran lol we saw how Loma's main weakness are aggressive fighters that are bigger than him. That basically describes Duran

Loma is FOOD for Duran.

Everyone knows Loma beat Salido. One judge sure as hell thought he did. Anyway, my only takeaway from what you said is that it's easier now to have much higher quality competition because of the number of champions available. In other words, Duran fought a lot of bums. And you're right. Loma doesn't make Duran say "NO MAS." Loma makes Duran say "NO MASCHENKO." :lol1: You're just looking to troll I see. In that case I won't entertain your nonsense any further, then. - - Unexpectedly brilliant that. Loma > DeJesus Mt Everest > Denali Big George > IronBoy Calderon IceCream > Lollipops...:luvbed: U dumb? Esteban De Jesus was a great fighter who won titles at 135 AND 140 lbs. He would have beaten Lomachenko too.

Loma by knockout

- - Unexpectedly brilliant that. Loma > DeJesus Mt Everest > Denali Big George > IronBoy Calderon IceCream > Lollipops...:luvbed: Jorge Linares > Orlando Salido --- Obviously brilliant

Interesting fight, I’d pick Duran by UD but the skill displayed by would be amazing.

Hands of Stone > Orlando Salido. It is what it is. - - Unexpectedly brilliant that. Loma > DeJesus Mt Everest > Denali Big George > IronBoy Calderon IceCream > Lollipops...:luvbed:

Do you actually believe this? What do you mean do I believe this? Those are the real numbers. I'm not making it up. You can check for yourself. I'll put it to you this way, since we are focusing on the lightweight division, clearly Duran has the better work because of how many successful title defenses he made at that weight class. But we have to look at the overall performance, and Lomachenko, according to the numbers, has outperformed Duran in World Title matches. So it's not a matter of belief, it's a matter of fact because everything I said is true. For example that Loma has an 85 percent success rate in world title matches while Duran has a 76 percent success rate in world title matches. The nice thing about numbers is that they don't lie.

Everyone knows Loma beat Salido. One judge sure as hell thought he did. Anyway, my only takeaway from what you said is that it's easier now to have much higher quality competition because of the number of champions available. In other words, Duran fought a lot of bums. And you're right. Loma doesn't make Duran say "NO MAS." Loma makes Duran say "NO MASCHENKO." :lol1: Of this garbage?

When Duran retired, had a record of 16-5 (13 KOs) in World Title fights. That's in a 33 year long pro career. Lomachenko, right now, has a record of 12-2 (9 KOs) in World Title fights. That's in a period of eight years. And Loma is still going. Duran's win percentage in title fights is 76 percent. Loma's win percentage in title fights is 85 percent. Loma makes Duran say NO MAS :rofl::rofl::rofl: I rest my case.;) (And yeah, I know it hurts. :D) Do you actually believe this?

They didn't have 4 belts in Duran's lightweight era. Today everybody and their mom is a world champion. And "world title fights" are a dime a dozen. So no, throwing numbers out there without context doesn't prove anything. Sorry. Hands of Stone > Orlando Salido. It is what it is. Everyone knows Loma beat Salido. One judge sure as hell thought he did. Anyway, my only takeaway from what you said is that it's easier now to have much higher quality competition because of the number of champions available. In other words, Duran fought a lot of bums. And you're right. Loma doesn't make Duran say "NO MAS." Loma makes Duran say "NO MASCHENKO." :lol1:

When Duran retired, had a record of 16-5 (13 KOs) in World Title fights. That's in a 33 year long pro career. Lomachenko, right now, has a record of 12-2 (9 KOs) in World Title fights. That's in a period of eight years. And Loma is still going. Duran's win percentage in title fights is 76 percent. Loma's win percentage in title fights is 85 percent. Loma makes Duran say NO MAS :rofl::rofl::rofl: I rest my case.;) (And yeah, I know it hurts. :D) They didn't have 4 belts in Duran's lightweight era. Today everybody and their mom is a world champion. And "world title fights" are a dime a dozen. So no, throwing numbers out there without context doesn't prove anything. Sorry. Hands of Stone > Orlando Salido. It is what it is.

The all-time greatest lightweight, who went on to beat Sugar Ray Leonard and be competitive with Marvin Hagler at higher weights...is going to quit against a guy who lost to Orlando Salido and Teofimo Lopez? Naw. :lol1: When Duran retired, had a record of 16-5 (13 KOs) in World Title fights. That's in a 33 year long pro career. Lomachenko, right now, has a record of 12-2 (9 KOs) in World Title fights. That's in a period of eight years. And Loma is still going. Duran's win percentage in title fights is 76 percent. Loma's win percentage in title fights is 85 percent. Loma makes Duran say NO MAS :rofl::rofl::rofl: I rest my case.;) (And yeah, I know it hurts. :D)