Ruiz/Wilder

I watched all the fights in question. And I didn't say Wilder left Ruiz a twitching mess on the canvas. I said he left Liakhovich a twitching mess on the canvas, which he did. Joshua is literally the only notable fighter Ruiz ever stopped. His next three best opponents were Parker, 40 year old Arreola, and a very shot Liakhovich and he didn't even put a dent into any of them. Despite Liakhovich having already been knocked out five times before the Ruiz fight and twice since. - -Hogwash washing away all logic. Fat Andy the only fighter to step up vs AJ after Blubber Fury, Deyonce, Whyteboy, Big Baby and others ducked AJ during his American debut. Bottom line is Fat Andy has the best win in the heavy division and well deserved since he the only one to step up against the invincible.

I watched all the fights in question. And I didn't say Wilder left Ruiz a twitching mess on the canvas. I said he left Liakhovich a twitching mess on the canvas, which he did. Joshua is literally the only notable fighter Ruiz ever stopped. His next three best opponents were Parker, 40 year old Arreola, and a very shot Liakhovich and he didn't even put a dent into any of them. Despite Liakhovich having already been knocked out five times before the Ruiz fight and twice since. Yeah but if your going to do triangle, at least keep it consistent. That was a virtual twelve round fight lol. Ruiz fought well against Parker as well, and has beat the people he should coming up... No horrid losses aside from the rematch with Joshua... he does not stand out as having fought inferior competition. And again, if you watched the Arreola fight, look at how many punches were thrown by both men that fight. Areolla looked better in that fight than many previous fights of his. People always neglect that fact. He was in shape and determined and looked excellent that fight. You are essentially using triangle theory... a very suspect logic, and age discrimination regarding Areola, lol. Knocking out Joshua was a big KO for any fighter. Arreola has one of the best chins in boxing... parker also does not go down easily. So your using a fighter who really was Koed by Shannon B at the last moments of the fight, and is not particularly chinny to make a case that Ruiz does not have KO power... If this is sufficient for you to believe such? be my guest. Most people who are not of the "ohh hes fat!" school of boxing see that Ruiz has very fast hands and is quite capable of KOing people in the division as he progresses.

I think we simply need more fights in the heavyweight division. This business of one fight a year has the division in the sorry shape it's in.

Ruiz has fast hands and he gets his body behind his shots so his shots are pretty heavy. Wilder left Ruiz on the canvas? No... I don't think so. And BTW did you see the fight where Briggs did that to Liakhovich? It was literally the last seconds of the last round. Arreola fought a great fight and was in great condition for that fight, did you see that fight? You sound like a guy who looked up some fights and didn't actually see them. Ruiz is a talented fighter and he stopped Joshua with his "not so heavy hands" lol. His only other loss was to Parker I believe in a fight many people thought he won. I watched all the fights in question. And I didn't say Wilder left Ruiz a twitching mess on the canvas. I said he left Liakhovich a twitching mess on the canvas, which he did. Joshua is literally the only notable fighter Ruiz ever stopped. His next three best opponents were Parker, 40 year old Arreola, and a very shot Liakhovich and he didn't even put a dent into any of them. Despite Liakhovich having already been knocked out five times before the Ruiz fight and twice since.

Thanks for bringing in some stats but as of right now, I don’t see Wilder being the favorite after suffering brutal back to back losses. Things could change if Wilder gets a few wins under his belt I suppose. Ruiz is set to return and is with one of the best teams in boxing, Wilders career could be over for all we know. Calling Ruiz C level is out of line. That would make Wilder a C level guy as well for getting stopped twice by a guy with little pop. Ruiz has a stoppage win over AJ, that’s far better than anything on Wilders resume. I, and several other fans and journalists, had him beating Joseph Parker as well. That’s also better than anything on Wilders record. Ortiz is a good win for Wilder but what else there besides that? Ruiz is blatantly a C level fighter. He has one singular respectable win and then lost decisively to that same fighter in the rematch. Who’s he beat above C level man? Name one top 10, even top 20 guy he’s beat besides AJ? Wilder was stopped by the universally ranked #1 Heavyweight in the world. There’s absolutely no shame in that. He dropped him twice too, so it’s not like he was non-competitive in that matchup. The way I look at it. Fury is A level, Usyk is potentially A level too. Wilder and AJ are B level and the rest are C level guys. The HW division is weak as f***.

Wilder would be approaching 37 years old by the time this fight comes around, we haven't seen him use movement in a fight since he was in his early 30s and I don't know if he still can tbh. Hes got very fast feet... whether he maintains that edge or not, benching a lot of weight, putting on additional weight do not appear to help his speed of foot, nor his punching power.

Ruiz doesn't have heavy hands at all, though. He couldn't even stop the ghost of Siarhei Liakhovich after he'd already been knocked out by Shannon Briggs, Deontay Wilder (who left him a twitch mess on the canvas inside a round), Bryant Jennings, and Robert Helenius. He also couldn't stop 40 year old Chris Arreola, who had been previously stopped by Wilder, Bermane Stiverne, and Vitali Klitschko. People just think he hits hard because of what he did to Joshua, but that fight said more about Joshua's chin than Ruiz's power. Ruiz has fast hands and he gets his body behind his shots so his shots are pretty heavy. Wilder left Ruiz on the canvas? No... I don't think so. And BTW did you see the fight where Briggs did that to Liakhovich? It was literally the last seconds of the last round. Arreola fought a great fight and was in great condition for that fight, did you see that fight? You sound like a guy who looked up some fights and didn't actually see them. Ruiz is a talented fighter and he stopped Joshua with his "not so heavy hands" lol. His only other loss was to Parker I believe in a fight many people thought he won.

I agree both see the fight as winnable and both want the fight. It just doesn't make any sense to do the fight next. Wilder is WBC #1. Ruiz is WBC #3. Joyce is WBC #2, but is also WBO #1 and targeting either a mandatory for the WBO or a voluntary for the WBC. If he goes the WBO route or if he fights Fury next as a voluntary, it moves Ruiz up to #2. At that point you just wait. Wait for the belts to get splintered after an undisputed fight, or for Fury to go crazy and retire, or for someone to get hurt, etc. Whether it's Wilder vs Ruiz for the vacant world title, or for the interim world title, or a final eliminator to become mandatory, either way you want to wait until they are 1 and 2 and something tangible is at stake. PBC controls zero heavyweight world titles right now. They're getting Wilder or Ruiz in position for the WBC and Martin or Ortiz in position for the IBF. Strategically, it's just a terrible time to have Wilder fight Ruiz. That makes sense.

I have a theory here: I think both guys think the other guy is "easy money." Wilder knows Ruiz doesn't play hide and seek in the ring... So he will get opportunities, and will not have to try to find Ruiz. Ruiz has confidence in his chin and knows he can outbox and in his estimation, knock Wilder out with his own heavy hands. Ruiz has the quickest hands in the division and he is usually defensively responsible with decent foot speed. Wilder just has to come in lighter than last time imo. Good fight. Ruiz doesn't have heavy hands at all, though. He couldn't even stop the ghost of Siarhei Liakhovich after he'd already been knocked out by Shannon Briggs, Deontay Wilder (who left him a twitch mess on the canvas inside a round), Bryant Jennings, and Robert Helenius. He also couldn't stop 40 year old Chris Arreola, who had been previously stopped by Wilder, Bermane Stiverne, and Vitali Klitschko. People just think he hits hard because of what he did to Joshua, but that fight said more about Joshua's chin than Ruiz's power.

I have a theory here: I think both guys think the other guy is "easy money." Wilder knows Ruiz doesn't play hide and seek in the ring... So he will get opportunities, and will not have to try to find Ruiz. Ruiz has confidence in his chin and knows he can outbox and in his estimation, knock Wilder out with his own heavy hands. I agree both see the fight as winnable and both want the fight. It just doesn't make any sense to do the fight next. Wilder is WBC #1. Ruiz is WBC #3. Joyce is WBC #2, but is also WBO #1 and targeting either a mandatory for the WBO or a voluntary for the WBC. If he goes the WBO route or if he fights Fury next as a voluntary, it moves Ruiz up to #2. At that point you just wait. Wait for the belts to get splintered after an undisputed fight, or for Fury to go crazy and retire, or for someone to get hurt, etc. Whether it's Wilder vs Ruiz for the vacant world title, or for the interim world title, or a final eliminator to become mandatory, either way you want to wait until they are 1 and 2 and something tangible is at stake. PBC controls zero heavyweight world titles right now. They're getting Wilder or Ruiz in position for the WBC and Martin or Ortiz in position for the IBF. Strategically, it's just a terrible time to have Wilder fight Ruiz.

If you look at the prospective odds for Joshua-Wilder. It’s 4/6 AJ, 6/5 Wilder. Joshua was still a 1/3 favourite against Ruiz despite Ruiz dropping him 4 times in the previous fight. Wilder would definitely be the favourite with the bookies. Ruiz is a C level fighter at best man, aside from an upset win over AJ, who else has he ever beat? I know people like to sh** on Wilder’s resume but he does have 3 wins over guys ranked top 5. Aside from AJ, Ruiz has never even beat a top 10 HW. Thanks for bringing in some stats but as of right now, I don’t see Wilder being the favorite after suffering brutal back to back losses. Things could change if Wilder gets a few wins under his belt I suppose. Ruiz is set to return and is with one of the best teams in boxing, Wilders career could be over for all we know. Calling Ruiz C level is out of line. That would make Wilder a C level guy as well for getting stopped twice by a guy with little pop. Ruiz has a stoppage win over AJ, that’s far better than anything on Wilders resume. I, and several other fans and journalists, had him beating Joseph Parker as well. That’s also better than anything on Wilders record. Ortiz is a good win for Wilder but what else there besides that?

But why do the fight now when nothing is at stake when you can wait for a title to become available. They're very close to being the top two WBC contenders. Why ruin the plan now and do the fight before there's a title on the line or at least a title shot on the line? I have a theory here: I think both guys think the other guy is "easy money." Wilder knows Ruiz doesn't play hide and seek in the ring... So he will get opportunities, and will not have to try to find Ruiz. Ruiz has confidence in his chin and knows he can outbox and in his estimation, knock Wilder out with his own heavy hands. Ruiz has the quickest hands in the division and he is usually defensively responsible with decent foot speed. Wilder just has to come in lighter than last time imo. Good fight.

I really don't think Ruiz has **** for Deontay. Slow fat plodder creeping in catching shots...not much else gonna happen. Wilder needs a win, he won't be ****ing around with his next scalp and Ruiz's only chance is if Wilder stays still or gets close, neither of which are very Wilder to do. What's the excitement here? Ruiz might maybe connect with a looping overhand while Wilder throws that straight right? He has good combos and fights on the front foot. That's more than enough for Wilder.

My name is Marchegiano not Wilder. It's an expression. There's no name confusion.

I highly doubt it, Ruiz would absolutely be the favorite right now. Wilder was just brutally stopped in back to back fights by light punching Fury. Lol why would be be the favorite against someone like Ruiz? If you look at the prospective odds for Joshua-Wilder. It’s 4/6 AJ, 6/5 Wilder. Joshua was still a 1/3 favourite against Ruiz despite Ruiz dropping him 4 times in the previous fight. Wilder would definitely be the favourite with the bookies. Ruiz is a C level fighter at best man, aside from an upset win over AJ, who else has he ever beat? I know people like to sh** on Wilder’s resume but he does have 3 wins over guys ranked top 5. Aside from AJ, Ruiz has never even beat a top 10 HW.

I think Wilder catches him with a few right hands that Ruiz won't get up from. I want to see Wilder vs Joe Joyce. Parker would be another good option. I still think Ajagba vs. Wilder would be a good scrap for as long as it lasts. Both coming off losses.

Wilder is damaged goods, I wouldn't count anyone out against him at this point

If Wilder has anything left in his body to give and he has the desire to continue on, he would crush Ruiz. Ruiz is tailor made for Wilder. Wilder KO 2 Ruiz.

Bombs are all you need in this sport. Not likely. Fury and Usyk are obviously top 2 guys in division, I would say Sanchez could be N. 3. I would rate Wilder as N. 4.

Bombs are all you need in this sport. Said Wilder when he was knocked out cold.