Caleb Plant is a slick Brotha

There are a few tendencies in Plants defense I see I think he stays too tall on his exits. When he throws the left hook he dips down to his right - exactly how he got caught at the face-off also but Plant I am sure picked up on it and will be working super hard to correct it & not be as predictable. Overall, on the whole I am very impressed by him. Fantastic fundamentals yet he does have the athleticism also to fall back on. For me someone like BJS is far more reliant on their athleticism and erraticness to get them out of trouble and we've seen it fail or get him in real trouble way too often. When BJS tires he falls apart, he losses shape and starts falling in, hands right down with his head over his front foot and shows for me, a lack of fundamentals, ring I.Q and ability to adapt When I see Plant tire he did all the right things and excelled he did everything I want to see from a fighter he used lateral movement, he slowed the pace down with his feints, he went to the basics, he tied him up and seen it out without taking a beating. He showed experience, a good boxing brain.

​​​​​​ I was wondering if I'd get this kind of hyperbole. The notable dogfights in which Saunders has taken legitimate punishment/shown defensive lapses amount to basically 4 (Lee, Eubank, Akavov, Coceres) two of which make sense in terms of career point/competition (the first two) and the other two being the usual hot/cold is-he-on-or-off thing where all intimately familiar with at this point. Everything else has been varying shades of total dominance. Monroe Jr fight moteworthy if anything for being a a low output stinker/sleep aid masquerading as a "chess match", in which BJ absolutely did not get "battered" as you suggest and ultimately got the better of mongoose, and the fact you mention Isufi (did you watch that, or pretend to like 70% of this forum) as a fight in which Saunders got "dogged" and/or barely held on is flat out insane. Isufi literally had one moment of success in the opening seconds of round 6 (7?) where he caught BJ clean witha massive right, which was cherry picked to death by people like this ThuglifeNelo nerd as evidence of "decline" etc when it was otherwise more or less a replication of the Lemieux shutout in which Isufi didn't even win the round in which he landed his one shot. And overlooking the obvious that as overall meh as BJ's resume is it's still > Plant's, Plant hasn't exhihited anything going into this to suggest he'll have far more success with Nelo. The outcome of BJ Canelo obv factors into this assessment...had it gone the distance with Saunders continuing to make a pretty good account or heaven forbid an upset my prognosis for Plant would be more favorable. But working from the baseline that they are very comparable with me giving the edge to BJ in most departments when he is "on", and calling power a wash...It isn't very favorable and I see Plant either getting stopped in a similar time frame after giving Nelo several rounds of similar genuine crafty pushback (even a bit sooner with a gun to my head or surviving to the end doing virtually nothing--certainly not the Smith firefight--in later rounds that he effectively forfeits. He will win rounds but come up short imo. As always he's more than welcome to prove me wrong. I have nothing against Plant personally and rate him in his own right. Monroe didn't batter him but from what I remember (and I really don't care to as it was an awful snoozer lol) was him not really being able to separate himself from Monroe. This isn't an off-night or two. I don't buy into BJS fighting down to his opponents level if anything I think he is super consistent, dazzles for 5 or so rounds then fades horribly. He's quite fast, he has good feet and is jittery, he's hard to pin down early on. I don't think a guy who is held in such high regard in terms of skills, defense & so forth should be having such tough nights in the office for most part against lacklustre opposition. Surely there comes a time where people say you know what I think we've overrated the fella a touch. He is skilled and jittery, he's a nightmare for 5-6 rounds or so until he slows down a touch and opponents get their timing down then we really get to see a lack of fundamentals and defensive basics such as glove positioning and dare I say a bit of lack of ring IQ. As much success as he has had I've always felt he was more suited to the amateurs. For me his athleticism and a sort of c0cky style flatters him in the way his skillset is looked at. Hands down, lot of erratic head movement our brains automatically sort of equate this to being more skilled over someone who is more basic yet fundamentally doing all the right things. Moments of brilliance over effectiveness. A big reason why I picked Canelo over BJS and wasn't so convinced BJS was the better boxer was this whole substance issue. Everything Canelo does is with a real purpose, a lot of what BJS does is showmanship and wasted energy really though I do feel he actually fought Canelo with more purpose than he usually does. If Plant fought BJS opposition its speculation but I don't feel they lay a glove on him, maybe Cocares would have some marginal success but I don't see Lee at that stage, a novice Eubank Jr, Akavov, Monroe etc giving him any issues at all. And while I'd favour BJS over anyone on Plants resume I wouldn't be surprised if he barely held on vs several of them.

Resumes only give us a rough indicator. Fights are won in the ring, not on paper but there is no denying Canelo has fought much, much better competition that its not even funny. Plant is much better than a blown up, small & chubby BJS who goes life and death in every other fight and the likes and offers different looks to those guys. The BJS comparisons are too much and people are putting way too much into it when they fight nothing alike. I think where a lot of these guys go wrong vs Canelo is they're overly respectful and jab at the head, always the head with no real conviction, they don't step in with it through fear of getting countered they're flicking it with it and just highlighting how good his head movement is and start becoming disheartened and second guessing everything cause they can't find their range. Plant has excellent head control, jabs to the chest which is what you should be doing against someone with good head movement and athleticism in abundance unlike those he can also fight at mid-range and doesn't panic and pull straight back. I think this is the most difficult fight for Canelo out there. Happy to be proven wrong but for me and what I've seen and their styles I actually think if Plant is a little wrong for Canelo. For me if I am to build a fighter to beat Canelo they would look a lot like Plant. I'd pick BHS to beat everyone Plant has beaten fairly easily. Ditto Kov. Resumes hold the key to how a fighter is looked at (OR should be). Historians mention resumes all the time and use them as the foundation of a fighters greatness. ''He's so great, who has he beaten ???'' Is usually how it goes.

So him calling 'Gayweather' is bad and abusive, but a bunch of haters here calling 'Clenelo' all the time not? OK... Please read what I wrote. Creating your own abusive names/words for ANY BOXER shouldn't be acceptable. When you see something like that consistently, report them to the mods, and explain your point. In my opinion, NSB (BoxingScene) is the best website for boxing news and debate, bar none. Therefore, a lot of boxers/fighters and their people naturally read here. It's their job and business. Everything doesn't go. Contribute something constructive unless you are always an angry person. Calling fighters names takes away your creditability. I'm not talking about words like the occasional "bum" as a level gauge. Namaste!

The guy you are addressing has been banned for racism for at least a few times before, and he's pushing his luck these days. First, I thought he just didn't like Floyd with the unending "Gayweather" comments, which are actually against the NSB rules. They contribute nothing to the quality of the site. I can understand not liking a fighter with passion, but you can't abuse them, either. That reduces the quality of the site, and the boxers and their teams that read NSB (many do) will look elsewhere. This site is all about the boxers and boxing, first and foremost. Attacking boxers incessantly gets you banned. Then I realized, reading this guy's posts for a while now, that he actually hates anything African American/Black (racism). Permabans are for guys like these. Not recommending anything right now. Making the occasional angry comments or using negative names/labels for boxers is perfectly fine. Bashing them repeatedly or the NSB members who support those boxers should not be tolerated. Shape up, Rey. So him calling 'Gayweather' is bad and abusive, but a bunch of haters here calling 'Clenelo' all the time not? OK...

Plant is slick. The problem is, Canelo is slicker. Slicker than him and all the active brothers out there. There is no one right now who has better defense than Canelo, and that are facts.

Canelo might actually lose. I’m putting 200 on him losing - -U putting $ on snot being slick mucous is it?

...Also Dan-Cov, this isn't really supposed to read antagonistic, sorry if it does. From what I've observed I've agreed with a lot of your other assessments, just see this one differently

They aren't though BJS even at MW always looked soft, he could easily make 154 if he was as dedicated as he should be. Plants a big SMW without an ounce of fat on him. Truax barely landed a punch over 12 rounds that is how dominant Plant is they point to two fighters managing to land single shots of which he ate, unphased. I could point to almost every single fight BJS had from Eubank Jr to Lee to Willie Monroe, Cocares, Isufi, Akavov they all didn't just hit him one or twice but was landing throughout and he barely held on vs virtually all of them guys. BJS defense is disgustingly overrated, all flash and very little substance. He has practically been busted up and clinging on in virtually every fight outside of a good performance against a terrible limited Lemiuex. He literally does everything better than BJS the only thing I'd say BJS was on par with is probably athleticism and that is only for 4-5 rounds until he gasses as always. As far as technique, skills, conditioning he is levels above BJS. - -U could easily be a turnip or cabbage. Any relation to a plant?

They aren't though BJS even at MW always looked soft, he could easily make 154 if he was as dedicated as he should be. Plants a big SMW without an ounce of fat on him. Truax barely landed a punch over 12 rounds that is how dominant Plant is they point to two fighters managing to land single shots of which he ate, unphased. I could point to almost every single fight BJS had from Eubank Jr to Lee to Willie Monroe, Cocares, Isufi, Akavov they all didn't just hit him one or twice but was landing throughout and he barely held on vs virtually all of them guys. BJS defense is disgustingly overrated, all flash and very little substance. He has practically been busted up and clinging on in virtually every fight outside of a good performance against a terrible limited Lemiuex. He literally does everything better than BJS the only thing I'd say BJS was on par with is probably athleticism and that is only for 4-5 rounds until he gasses as always. As far as technique, skills, conditioning he is levels above BJS. ​​​​​​ I was wondering if I'd get this kind of hyperbole. The notable dogfights in which Saunders has taken legitimate punishment/shown defensive lapses amount to basically 4 (Lee, Eubank, Akavov, Coceres) two of which make sense in terms of career point/competition (the first two) and the other two being the usual hot/cold is-he-on-or-off thing where all intimately familiar with at this point. Everything else has been varying shades of total dominance. Monroe Jr fight moteworthy if anything for being a a low output stinker/sleep aid masquerading as a "chess match", in which BJ absolutely did not get "battered" as you suggest and ultimately got the better of mongoose, and the fact you mention Isufi (did you watch that, or pretend to like 70% of this forum) as a fight in which Saunders got "dogged" and/or barely held on is flat out insane. Isufi literally had one moment of success in the opening seconds of round 6 (7?) where he caught BJ clean witha massive right, which was cherry picked to death by people like this ThuglifeNelo nerd as evidence of "decline" etc when it was otherwise more or less a replication of the Lemieux shutout in which Isufi didn't even win the round in which he landed his one shot. And overlooking the obvious that as overall meh as BJ's resume is it's still > Plant's, Plant hasn't exhihited anything going into this to suggest he'll have far more success with Nelo. The outcome of BJ Canelo obv factors into this assessment...had it gone the distance with Saunders continuing to make a pretty good account or heaven forbid an upset my prognosis for Plant would be more favorable. But working from the baseline that they are very comparable with me giving the edge to BJ in most departments when he is "on", and calling power a wash...It isn't very favorable and I see Plant either getting stopped in a similar time frame after giving Nelo several rounds of similar genuine crafty pushback (even a bit sooner with a gun to my head or surviving to the end doing virtually nothing--certainly not the Smith firefight--in later rounds that he effectively forfeits. He will win rounds but come up short imo. As always he's more than welcome to prove me wrong. I have nothing against Plant personally and rate him in his own right.

People really are sleeping on Plant regardless of the outcome I think a lot are in for a big shock. Is it ignorance & a safety in numbers thing or do they simply not realise just how good Plant is? I have no idea but that guy is a lot better and has a far greater chance of outboxing Canelo than he is getting credit for. I actually think that guy is one of the best pure boxers in the sport right now. Exactly. I'm seeing the same with Porter (which is crazy cause Porter is more proven than Plant) but people are just writing these guys off as if they are scrubs. Come fight night people will be surprised by the accuracy, footwork, and speed of Plant. They think it's a foregone conclusion that Canelo is just going to knock him out

And before we mention competition level an extremely green Eubank Jr, Willie Monroe, Isufi, Akavov etc etc are no better than Truax, Uzcategui, Medina, Lee No idea why people act like he is so good defensively when he gets 7 shades kicked out of him everytime he gets in the ring

Lol Plant and Saunders are roughly the same size. Get those two in the ring (a matchup in which anyone with even half a brain would have to favor Saunders 60/50 55/45) and the the size difference is practically non existent. Nobody claims they're exactly the same, only that BJ is the closest point of stylistic comparison for Plant at 168. What is it exactly that you think Plant actually does better than him? I mean it's certainly not footwork. It certainly isn't head movement and not getting tagged by a 40 yr old Truax (a guy who would quite possibly not have landed a single meaningful shot against Saunders). If you want to point to Coceres and say BJ gets tagged plenty when he feels like it, I'd point out that at he was prob at 60% that night and still managed to dig in and close the show. Contrast with the Murray performance (basically Plant Truax) where Murray didn't land a damn thing and looked like he may be even on his way out once or twice. The answer of course is ultimately nothing, there isn't a single thing he's actually better at. You'll see in a few weeks They aren't though BJS even at MW always looked soft, he could easily make 154 if he was as dedicated as he should be. Plants a big SMW without an ounce of fat on him. Truax barely landed a punch over 12 rounds that is how dominant Plant is they point to two fighters managing to land single shots of which he ate, unphased. I could point to almost every single fight BJS had from Eubank Jr to Lee to Willie Monroe, Cocares, Isufi, Akavov they all didn't just hit him one or twice but was landing throughout and he barely held on vs virtually all of them guys. BJS defense is disgustingly overrated, all flash and very little substance. He has practically been busted up and clinging on in virtually every fight outside of a good performance against a terrible limited Lemiuex. He literally does everything better than BJS the only thing I'd say BJS was on par with is probably athleticism and that is only for 4-5 rounds until he gasses as always. As far as technique, skills, conditioning he is levels above BJS.

Resumes only give us a rough indicator. Fights are won in the ring, not on paper but there is no denying Canelo has fought much, much better competition that its not even funny. Plant is much better than a blown up, small & chubby BJS who goes life and death in every other fight and the likes and offers different looks to those guys. The BJS comparisons are too much and people are putting way too much into it when they fight nothing alike. I think where a lot of these guys go wrong vs Canelo is they're overly respectful and jab at the head, always the head with no real conviction, they don't step in with it through fear of getting countered they're flicking it with it and just highlighting how good his head movement is and start becoming disheartened and second guessing everything cause they can't find their range. Plant has excellent head control, jabs to the chest which is what you should be doing against someone with good head movement and athleticism in abundance unlike those he can also fight at mid-range and doesn't panic and pull straight back. I think this is the most difficult fight for Canelo out there. Happy to be proven wrong but for me and what I've seen and their styles I actually think if Plant is a little wrong for Canelo. For me if I am to build a fighter to beat Canelo they would look a lot like Plant. Lol Plant and Saunders are roughly the same size. Get those two in the ring (a matchup in which anyone with even half a brain would have to favor Saunders 60/50 55/45) and the the size difference is practically non existent. Nobody claims they're exactly the same, only that BJ is the closest point of stylistic comparison for Plant at 168. What is it exactly that you think Plant actually does better than him? I mean it's certainly not footwork. It certainly isn't head movement and not getting tagged by a 40 yr old Truax (a guy who would quite possibly not have landed a single meaningful shot against Saunders). If you want to point to Coceres and say BJ gets tagged plenty when he feels like it, I'd point out that at he was prob at 60% that night and still managed to dig in and close the show. Contrast with the Murray performance (basically Plant Truax) where Murray didn't land a damn thing and looked like he may be even on his way out once or twice. The answer of course is ultimately nothing, there isn't a single thing he's actually better at. You'll see in a few weeks

Plant has footspeed over Canelo. Both are boxing intelligently. Canelo is stronger in the upper body. Canelo hits harder. Canelo is a better finisher. Canelo has far more experience at the top level. Canelo has better poise. Canelo has a better chin. Conditioning may be a toss up. This is going to be an incredible difficult task for Plant, and I'm picking Canelo to win a UD 119-109, with Canelo slightly losings some rounds based on acitivty, but scoring a knockdown or 2 in the process.

plant hasnt beat anyone and he is almost 30. canelo is super consistent, caleb's only chance would be if canelo overlooks someone but canelo is always prepared, doest get fat between fights or any of that. canelo's closest fights were against his best opponents. a bum like caleb he is going to blow out. ask yourself is caleb much better than any of the other 3 canelo already cleared out at 168? he is at their same level. canelo stops plant. Resumes only give us a rough indicator. Fights are won in the ring, not on paper but there is no denying Canelo has fought much, much better competition that its not even funny. Plant is much better than a blown up, small & chubby BJS who goes life and death in every other fight and the likes and offers different looks to those guys. The BJS comparisons are too much and people are putting way too much into it when they fight nothing alike. I think where a lot of these guys go wrong vs Canelo is they're overly respectful and jab at the head, always the head with no real conviction, they don't step in with it through fear of getting countered they're flicking it with it and just highlighting how good his head movement is and start becoming disheartened and second guessing everything cause they can't find their range. Plant has excellent head control, jabs to the chest which is what you should be doing against someone with good head movement and athleticism in abundance unlike those he can also fight at mid-range and doesn't panic and pull straight back. I think this is the most difficult fight for Canelo out there. Happy to be proven wrong but for me and what I've seen and their styles I actually think if Plant is a little wrong for Canelo. For me if I am to build a fighter to beat Canelo they would look a lot like Plant.

It was 2 fights for me, but he is a demolition man with an abundance of stamina and heart to go with his skills. He kinda came out of nowhere as an underdog and shined. Zepeda has a lot of substance and would wreck someone like JoJo now (I'm a big JoJo fan as well). Zepeda is all special effects. I wanna see him challenged. I actually debated in my head if Davis can beat him. If so, it won't be easy.

I became a fan of Zepeda in one fight, and forever a fan. Amazing spirit. Can't wait for his next fight. It was 2 fights for me, but he is a demolition man with an abundance of stamina and heart to go with his skills. He kinda came out of nowhere as an underdog and shined.

I know picking under dogs is exciting but not so much when they lose. This is not the right dog to bet on.

Just googled the Plant "street fight". Lame. The one I saw of Shakur Stevenson was more a street fight. This one was Plant slapping and running. I'm sure that's what he's going to be doing with Canelo, trying to run for 12 rounds. lol he kicked some fat guy in the stomach with tennis shoes on. wtf was that