I'm loving it. We got a great fight, boxing is all over the news, and people are talking about the fight.
That fight did so much for the sport.
But think about it. It wasn't even the biggest fight that boxing could make. One of the participants didn't even want the fight and battled to get out of it. It was a dead rubber.
The best fights have some history. They have someone looking for redemption. They show fallibility and weakness.
Don't forget what we missed out on to get this fight. We could have had an undisputed fight. In fact we could have had a few of them. Every rematch would have been bigger.
Joshua v Wilder would have been incredible. Joshua v Fury would have been unprecedentedly massive in the UK. They all could have fought each other by now, with defences to the likes of Usyk and Whyte thrown in.
How good could this sport be if it took that path? And why do the participants not get it? Losing isn't the problem they think it is - the rematches are bigger. The sport grows as a result. The rewards are massive.
This lunatic is really trying to validate the WBA rankings. :lol1:
The WBA HW top 5:
1. Usyk
2. Bryan
3. Charr
4. Dubois
5. Hunter.
The TBRB HW top 5:
1. Fury
2. Usyk
3. Joshua
4. Wilder
5. Whyte.
You tell me which ranking system is more reliable…
I was proven right.
Do you actually think the WBA rankings carry any weight?
If so then you’re even more delusional by Wilder himself. :lol1:
Right, WBA and IBF rankings don't carry weight, only "Transnational Rankings" does LOLOLOLOL
When the guy you knocked down gets up, lands over twice as many punches as you, at almost double the accuracy, outlands you in 10 of 11 rounds, knocks you down more and knocks you out. You know boxing works on a round by round system, a knockdown means nothing outside of the round it happens in.
I'm assuming you think AJs performance against Wlad was better than Furys because he knocked Wlad out?
What a stupid point to make. :lol1:
Obviously not, AJ went life and death with an a inactive 41 yr old coming off a loss.
Fury beat a 39 yr old, 10 year undefeated champion making his 19th defence.
AJ-Wlad was competitive, Fury-Wlad was not. It only further proves my point.
You were proven wrong you clown. Go cry about Beyonce some more.
I was proven right.
Do you actually think the WBA rankings carry any weight?
If so then you’re even more delusional by Wilder himself. :lol1:
Get over what? I’m a Fury fan dumbass.
Yeah Wilder was beaten decisively, but he was also far more competitive than Wlad was.
You anti-Wilder guys are a really weird breed. :lol1:
Ya sure you are, twerksquad.
The TBRB are way more reliable than the WBA and IBF.
The WBA currently have Charr and Dubois as #1 and #2 and you’re suggesting they’re a valid ranking system. GTFOH you f***ing imbecile.
Wlad was unranked by TBRB, Ring, ESPN, Boxrec and essentially every other unbiased ranking system.
You were proven wrong you clown. Go cry about Beyonce some more.
Right.
In football, you get 0-0 draws, you get 1-0 wins, you get 5 - 0 wins, you get 4-3 wins.
In boxing, you get 12 round one sided unanimous decisions, you get 12 round back and fourth wars 'Where one fighter comes out on top', You get knocked outs, You get brutal one sided beat downs, you get 12 round point scoring boxing matches.
People cannot continue to behave this way, when a great fight at elite level happens. Boxers don't have to fight the way Fury & Wilder fought all the time, their are variations in tactics and styles.
In all honesty Toffee, I understand why you have made this thread but really?
'A reminder of what it could be'?
I don't need remanding, and this kind of reaction every-time boxing produces a great fight 'I find to be dramatic, and quite insulting to the sport'.
Boxing will continue to have the variation of fights, that I have presented up above. It was the same in the 90's, 80's, 70's etc.
I get why the thread was made, but I just think these kind of reactions are dramatic.
People ether like boxing or they don't.
Don't know about ESPN and Boxrec, but The Ring had him at 1, with Fury still as Champion. Which makes me think you're making up that last sentence.
As you know TBRB had him at 1, dropped him, and then brought him back at 2 after the Joshua fight. Being removed for inactivity is a bit different to what you're claiming, which is that he was finished and therefore unranked. Make no mistake, he was TBRB's number one fighter.
The fact you say you yourself didn't rate him anywhere at that point shows you up. You had Stiverne above him? Jennings? Pulev?
I just don’t see him as rank-able because of the age and inactivity. It’s like saying where do you rank Lennox Lewis in 2005? Or Vitali in 2014?
It’s the same reason I picked Ugas to beat Pacquiao. Fighters who are inactive in their forties are generally way past their best, history tells us that.
I just don’t think that was a good version of Wlad. I thought he looked below par vs Jennings, poor vs Fury and finished vs AJ.
The TBRB are way more reliable than the WBA and IBF.
The WBA currently have Charr and Dubois as #1 and #2 and you’re suggesting they’re a valid ranking system. GTFOH you f***ing imbecile.
Wlad was unranked by TBRB, Ring, ESPN, Boxrec and essentially every other unbiased ranking system.
Don't know about ESPN and Boxrec, but The Ring had him at 1, with Fury still as Champion. Which makes me think you're making up that last sentence.
As you know TBRB had him at 1, dropped him, and then brought him back at 2 after the Joshua fight. Being removed for inactivity is a bit different to what you're claiming, which is that he was finished and therefore unranked. Make no mistake, he was TBRB's number one fighter.
The fact you say you yourself didn't rate him anywhere at that point shows you up. You had Stiverne above him? Jennings? Pulev?
"Transational Rankings" LOLOLOL
World Boxing Association Ranking – World Boxing Association (wbaboxing.com)
https://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/index.php/ratings/ibf-ratings?view=rankings
Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. Look at March 2017 clown.
The TBRB are way more reliable than the WBA and IBF.
The WBA currently have Charr and Dubois as #1 and #2 and you’re suggesting they’re a valid ranking system. GTFOH you f***ing imbecile.
Wlad was unranked by TBRB, Ring, ESPN, Boxrec and essentially every other unbiased ranking system.
Wasn't dropped 5 (7 in reality) times though. Doesn't have a dent in his head. Beyonce got whooped. Get over it.
Get over what? I’m a Fury fan dumbass.
Yeah Wilder was beaten decisively, but he was also far more competitive than Wlad was.
You anti-Wilder guys are a really weird breed. :lol1:
He was unranked you nutjob.
https://tbrb.org/rankings-archive
Scroll down to April 2017 d***head. :lol1:
"Transational Rankings" LOLOLOL
World Boxing Association Ranking – World Boxing Association (wbaboxing.com)
https://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/index.php/ratings/ibf-ratings?view=rankings
Like I said, you have no idea what you're talking about. Look at March 2017 clown.
So delusional… :lol1: :lol1:
Wlad was comprehensively outboxed. Get over it.
Wasn't dropped 5 (7 in reality) times though. Doesn't have a dent in his head. Beyonce got whooped. Get over it.
How can fight were both guys go down multiple times not be competitive? :lol1:
When the guy you knocked down gets up, lands over twice as many punches as you, at almost double the accuracy, outlands you in 10 of 11 rounds, knocks you down more and knocks you out. You know boxing works on a round by round system, a knockdown means nothing outside of the round it happens in.
I'm assuming you think AJs performance against Wlad was better than Furys because he knocked Wlad out?
Neither fight was competitive. Wilder dropped Fury because hes wild and hits hard, but he also got dropped himself, beaten up badly and massively outlanded because he cant box for ****. Wlad didnt seem to have any urgency and aggression, and looked like he was caught off guard by the clumsy oaf who once punched himself in the face, while Fury was content to be safe and boring, in a very low volume fight. Would have been interesting to see if either guy would have had a different approach in the rematch.
How can fight were both guys go down multiple times not be competitive? :lol1:
Madness…
You know the answer already.
TBRB unranked him due to inactivity. Days after the Joshua fight was announced, which makes no sense.
It's a screw up that changed history as Joshua v Klitschko should have been 1 and 2 going for their version of the lineal championship. They also held the top two spots after their fight.
Check November 2016. Then December 2016. Joshua v Klitschko was announced 10 December.
They ballsed it up.
That’s my sole point. He was unranked when they fought.
Fury dropping Wilder doesn’t change the fact that Wilder also dropped Fury that fight was clearly competitive of both guys went down you absolute moron.
Neither fight was competitive. Wilder dropped Fury because hes wild and hits hard, but he also got dropped himself, beaten up badly and massively outlanded because he cant box for shit. Wlad didnt seem to have any urgency and aggression, and looked like he was caught off guard by the clumsy oaf who once punched himself in the face, while Fury was content to be safe and boring, in a very low volume fight. Would have been interesting to see if either guy would have had a different approach in the rematch.