Was RJJ really as great as hes made out to be?(if Calzaghe beat him why does everyone make him sound unbeatable at smw?)

Would’ve liked to see him in with the UK super middle weights in his prime.

Roy was Dazzling at his best,stunning how flashy his movement was against guys like Pazienza,the problem he had was his division was weak for many yrs throughout his long reign off & on, but his prime ended very abruptly in comparison to todays fighters(he fell off a cliff after 15 fights where he ruled) ​​​​​ He & JCC rank about equally all time imo. For sure, as I said Im biased as fck. I think his reign was much more than 15 fights. I remember the first time I saw him early on in his career, I thought we have never seen anything like this. I dont understand people hating him but I also dont care. I enjoyed every minute of every fight I watched. I got to see them live and in context, alot of these guys talking shit about him were still shittting their pants or werent alive when he was ruling the 90s.

I honestly don't know why I wrote that Bhop was kd by Calslappy - -Poppy down on all fours yelping like a kicked cur with his protector pulled up around his ears. Traditional KO, but Poppy the home fighter and Cortez knew who buttered his bread and so bought him some 5 min of time.

Bhop was kd twice by someone who would be todays equivalent to Angulo. Bhop was always chinny,he was even kd by calslappy. Ggg didn't win 7 rds v Canelo no matter how much ppl gift him the win the 1st fight.(a draw was legit & Canelo was still finding himself as a fighter,since then hes now in his prime & no longer worries whether he can take shots from bigger guys like ggg) Canelo WAS lineal mw champ when he fought ggg though,so ggg not being lineal is meaningless. Canelo has fought in several fights that would be considered lineal(between#1 ) he only lost 1 to Floyd at days past aged 22. You say he only started losing after going back down(something often pointed out by many) but in reality it holds no significance because before that RJJ had hardly beaten anyone of note & Bhop wasn't at his best yet when Jones beat him(he was barely known back then),he became better at older age,& whooped RJJ in rematch. ​​​​​​Canelo going up to lhw is the same thing as Jones going to HW for 1 fight.(so saying Kov was past it but giving RJJ credit for Ruiz is contradictory) & Imagine if Canelo gets ktfo after going back down, would he be given same excuse (doubtful) Who cares if he got knocked down? He ended up getting a draw which should have been a victory. Canelo got rocked by Jose cotto but he still won. I agree Canelo was lineal mw by beating GGG, but to say Toney is overrated and not a better win than GGG is not true because 1. Toney was in his his prime (you could argue GGG was because he feasted on bums, but Toney was younger) 2. Toney was at least a lineal champion at one point (beat michael nunn) 3. Toney is ranked much higher in p4p lists than GGG and most importantly 4. while Canelo barely edged GGG, RJJ DOMINATED the whole fight. Bhop already said that when he fought RJJ, nobody could've beaten RJJ. He only beat RJJ when they were washed. Roy is the better fighter even though Bhop had the longeivity. He only started losing after moving down from HW, that is facts. Btw Hopkins/Ruiz were both just easy titles for achievements, neither of canelo/rjj best wins would have kov or ruiz imo. Its like when pac went up to 154 to margarito.

Im biased, Roy is my favorite fighter of all time. He was the best fighter Ive ever seen from the day he turned pro until he dropped back down from HW. There was a wall he hit after the Ruiz fight, there are a thousand opinions what caused it but it was obvious. Its been said before but nobody and I mean nobody beats prime Roy. Im sure there will be people that disagree with me but I dont really care, the vast majority of this forum knows next to nothing about boxing. Roy was Dazzling at his best,stunning how flashy his movement was against guys like Pazienza,the problem he had was his division was weak for many yrs throughout his long reign off & on, but his prime ended very abruptly in comparison to todays fighters(he fell off a cliff after 15 fights where he ruled) ​​​​​ He & JCC rank about equally all time imo.

Im biased, Roy is my favorite fighter of all time. He was the best fighter Ive ever seen from the day he turned pro until he dropped back down from HW. There was a wall he hit after the Ruiz fight, there are a thousand opinions what caused it but it was obvious. Its been said before but nobody and I mean nobody beats prime Roy. Im sure there will be people that disagree with me but I dont really care, the vast majority of this forum knows next to nothing about boxing.

Horrible post, almost stopped reading when you called Hopkins chinny. Roy is the greatest fighter of the 90s for a reason, the man was a Demi god with boxing gloves on. You’re trying to compare his fights post Ruiz to when he was in his prime which is idiotic, he was clearly never the same fighter after the weight jump. Just wanted to clear up that I wrote that comment while having a migraine,I honestly don't know why I wrote that Bhop was kd by Calslappy(I actually just made a thread recently where we discussed that imo he got robbed by Calzaghe & him kd Calzaghe was partially why I thought he won(I thought it was the difference in the fight) I can pull up the thread in case you don't believe me Just goes to show when you have a horrible headache you can temporarily remember something the exact opposite of what happened

that was more of him not being used to the altitude, plus he hurt Mercado in that fight as well. the rematch was a massacre. Yeah, I think you need to watch that fight again. I rate Bhop greater than RJJ,he had the better career altogether imho

Bro I haven't watched that fight since I was a lil kid ffs,I have to rewatch it but theres no excuse for Bhop getting kd twice that was more of him not being used to the altitude, plus he hurt Mercado in that fight as well. the rematch was a massacre. Yeah, I think you need to watch that fight again.

Heres the problem with the argument about RJJ coming down in weight. He fought Ruiz & weighed under 200 lbs,or to put it simply he merely fought at slightly above the weight he normally would rehydrate to if even. That makes the whole argument make no sense Edit: he weighed 193 lbs v Ruiz then lost by getting ktfo 2 fights later to someone he had just beat

Mercado wasn't robbed. When a man goes into your backyard and you knock him down twice only to get a draw, the REAL robbery was done to the guy you knocked down. And we saw what happened in the rematch. When roy beat Toney, he was either 1 or 2 pfp in the world along with Sweet Pea. Plus he was undefeated. Roy shut him out. You can't be serious Bro I haven't watched that fight since I was a lil kid ffs,I have to rewatch it but theres no excuse for Bhop getting kd twice

Horrible post, almost stopped reading when you called Hopkins chinny. Roy is the greatest fighter of the 90s for a reason, the man was a Demi god with boxing gloves on. You’re trying to compare his fights post Ruiz to when he was in his prime which is idiotic, he was clearly never the same fighter after the weight jump. Typical RJJ fanbase,goes off eye test without actually explaining why he was a god. Its such a stupid argument to claim that he went up to hw to beat the weakest champ,then suddenly became washed up afterwards & that losing to journeyman meant nothing.(he went down in weight because he would've gotten battered at higher weights,& he did get his ass handed to him anyway) If he was a god before coming down in weight,why? For 2 wins? RJJ fans rate him so highly based off him looking flashy & dazzling vs bums moreso than who he actually beat. And bhop was chinny,thats a fact,he got kd twice by a literal bum in his prime(doesn't mean he'll get ktfo easily(edit I take it back,chinny isn't the right word, he just wasn't a ironchin by any means) (& I rate Bhop greater than RJJ & DO consider him among goat,but when RJJ beat him he was a barely known by most & wasn't the executioner everyone now thinks of.

For the same reason why your boy Floyd don't get much credit for fighting or beating a shopworn 38 year Shane Mosley who had been a year and a half out of the ring and couldn't beat anybody after you dweeb. That’s not true because Mosley was the lineal champion when he beat Margarito. RJJ wasn’t ranked top 5 when he fought Calzaghe

Segundo Mercado whooped prime Bhops ass & was robbed(he must be better than Canelo too?) Montell Griffin was not better than ggg/Kovalev/Lara. Toney was a overrated fatass ​​​​​​Ggg was a better win than Toney. You also have to take into consideration the intangibles,RJJ was a big ass mw/smw compared to Canelo,he STILL got sparked & lost wide decisions v fighters he had no business losing too like Tarver who was a journeyman ffs. Imagine if Canelo gets ktfo & loses wide decisions vs multiple opponents & gets his ass whooped by Plant losing almost every round that'd be the same thing as Jones. Canelo at the age of 30 already has accomplished more than RJJ(his best accomplishment was beating Ruiz at hw,but then he got ktfo by a journeyman) ​​​​​ ​​​​ Mercado wasn't robbed. When a man goes into your backyard and you knock him down twice only to get a draw, the REAL robbery was done to the guy you knocked down. And we saw what happened in the rematch. When roy beat Toney, he was either 1 or 2 pfp in the world along with Sweet Pea. Plus he was undefeated. Roy shut him out. You can't be serious

Yes Roy is very over rated he never even fought Darius Michalzewski As much as I hated Roy, I don't blame him for that one. DM, like Sven Ottke, was getting a lot of home cooking at the time and didn't want to leave their country to fight.

Bhop was kd twice by someone who would be todays equivalent to Angulo. Bhop was always chinny,he was even kd by calslappy. Ggg didn't win 7 rds v Canelo no matter how much ppl gift him the win the 1st fight.(a draw was legit & Canelo was still finding himself as a fighter,since then hes now in his prime & no longer worries whether he can take shots from bigger guys like ggg) Canelo WAS lineal mw champ when he fought ggg though,so ggg not being lineal is meaningless. Canelo has fought in several fights that would be considered lineal(between#1 ) he only lost 1 to Floyd at days past aged 22. You say he only started losing after going back down(something often pointed out by many) but in reality it holds no significance because before that RJJ had hardly beaten anyone of note & Bhop wasn't at his best yet when Jones beat him(he was barely known back then),he became better at older age,& whooped RJJ in rematch. ​​​​​​Canelo going up to lhw is the same thing as Jones going to HW for 1 fight.(so saying Kov was past it but giving RJJ credit for Ruiz is contradictory) & Imagine if Canelo gets ktfo after going back down, would he be given same excuse (doubtful) Horrible post, almost stopped reading when you called Hopkins chinny. Roy is the greatest fighter of the 90s for a reason, the man was a Demi god with boxing gloves on. You’re trying to compare his fights post Ruiz to when he was in his prime which is idiotic, he was clearly never the same fighter after the weight jump.

calzaghe had an easy night because jones what shot at that stage but calzaghes win over hopkins was legit good as hopkins was still somehow very effective at that stage and for years after amazingly

They not world beaters are they? Compare his resume against boxers of his status, it just doesn’t stack up. He massively under achieved They’re all top level fighters. Virgil Hill is a HOF’er, all 3 of them should be IMO. Griffin and Hill especially are very good wins

For the same reason why your boy Floyd don't get much credit for fighting or beating a shopworn 38 year Shane Mosley who had been a year and a half out of the ring and couldn't beat anybody after you dweeb. Pay me what you owe me or don’t quote me.

Mercado and Bhop was marked as a draw. If anything, most people thought Hopkins won the fight, and he dominated the rematch anyways. GGG's best win is...who? I thought Canelo is 1-0-1 against GGG but GGG feasted on bums for years. Kovalev was shot when Canelo fought him. Lara is great but that was a very close fight. RJJ dominated Toney and Hopkins. Toney was at least lineal middleweight champion at one point, GGG was never. RJJ only started losing after he went back down from HW, and was 35. In his prime he was almost unbeatable. Bhop was kd twice by someone who would be todays equivalent to Angulo. Bhop was always chinny,he was even kd by calslappy. Ggg didn't win 7 rds v Canelo no matter how much ppl gift him the win the 1st fight.(a draw was legit & Canelo was still finding himself as a fighter,since then hes now in his prime & no longer worries whether he can take shots from bigger guys like ggg) Canelo WAS lineal mw champ when he fought ggg though,so ggg not being lineal is meaningless. Canelo has fought in several fights that would be considered lineal(between#1 ) he only lost 1 to Floyd at days past aged 22. You say he only started losing after going back down(something often pointed out by many) but in reality it holds no significance because before that RJJ had hardly beaten anyone of note & Bhop wasn't at his best yet when Jones beat him(he was barely known back then),he became better at older age,& whooped RJJ in rematch. ​​​​​​Canelo going up to lhw is the same thing as Jones going to HW for 1 fight.(so saying Kov was past it but giving RJJ credit for Ruiz is contradictory) & Imagine if Canelo gets ktfo after going back down, would he be given same excuse (doubtful)