Will Fans Keep The Same Energy?

As much as I dont wanna see Usyk - AJ part 2, I believe its in the contract and you gotta respect contracts you sign your name to (TAKE NOTES FURY, Usyk honoring contracts) If you arent a man of your word, you arent worth SHIT.

We”ve been waiting for Fury vs A.J for at least 3 years so the thread doesn’t make much sense in claiming we need to keep the same energy . :lol1: Bob Arum hasn’t even kept the same energy, he is willing to offer team A.J step aside money but wouldn’t do it with Wilder where the money would be far less . Actually, it hasn't been 3 years for Fury vs AJ. 2018 was all about Wilder vs AJ, tho Hearn made sure that wasn't going to happen. 2019 was the 100 million bogus DAZN offer, so they were still after Wilder vs AJ. Fury vs AJ didn't really become a think til 2020, and we saw how they completely botched it. And, they knew better than to offer step aside money to Wilder...it would have taken a record amount for him to even consider it when you account for all the previous times Hearn reneged.

I'm fine with pretty much any scenario that leads to undisputed as long as nobody has to ignore legal contracts to do so. But, since it was a thing earlier this year I just wonder why those same fans aren't still trying to make undisputed happen with Usyk and whoever wins October 9th. As you said, I'm fine with pushing for unification at all costs that don't break a contract. Not because I love contracts, but because trying to get around a contract will only create more nonsense. This batch of heavyweights, they're all in their 30s. We need the fights to happen. I'd be fine with a Joshua/Usyk rematch while the winner of Fury/Wilder fought Whyte, if that avoids arbitration nonsense, fine. But, realistically, Usyk should get the winner of Fury/Wilder out right and we should get a unification fight. Joshua, Whyte, and Wilder can fight for the right to challenge the champ. As can everyone else. We'd have a champ, folks, an undisputed heavyweight champ - and that's a big deal!

No worries I would have liked to seen fury vs Joshua, More than fine with wilder vs usyk if it leads us to undisputed tho. I'm fine with pretty much any scenario that leads to undisputed as long as nobody has to ignore legal contracts to do so. But, since it was a thing earlier this year I just wonder why those same fans aren't still trying to make undisputed happen with Usyk and whoever wins October 9th.

I agree with OP here and since everyone wants to take Arum for his word on 'it won't be a problem.' Warren and Arum both said that the reason they all signed an agreement to keep quiet on the fight was because of the arbitration and Usyk demanding his shot - there were things on both sides that could've stopped AJ-Fury from happening and they didn't want to make announcements until all that other stuff was sorted out but Hearn kept blabbing away and got the casuals' hopes up for months. Anyone who pointed out the arbitration could get in the way was called an idiot because their hero Hearn was making weekly announcements. Even when Arum publicly changed his stance and said 'AJ-Fury is dead in the water' Hearn and his merry men continued with the 'yeah but Arum said it won't be a problem' for another couple of months. You can't now go back on it with nonsense like 'but Fury was more dominant.' It doesn't matter, Wilder had the contractual right to request a third fight regardless of how he lost which is what he did but Hearn and his fanboys completely ignored it. There's no two ways about it. So in that sense, Hearn's fan club should be in agreement if Usyk tries to bypass the rematch and go for a unification bout with the winner of Fury-Wilder 3. Spot on! I love it when folks actually remember EXACTLY how everything went down! And don't look now, but Arum is ALREADY trying to keep the same energy...and Fast Eddie ain't gonna like it. https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-joshua-avoid-immediate-rematch-allow-usyk-face-fury-wilder-winner--160872

I agree with OP here and since everyone wants to take Arum for his word on 'it won't be a problem.' Warren and Arum both said that the reason they all signed an agreement to keep quiet on the fight was because of the arbitration and Usyk demanding his shot - there were things on both sides that could've stopped AJ-Fury from happening and they didn't want to make announcements until all that other stuff was sorted out but Hearn kept blabbing away and got the casuals' hopes up for months. Anyone who pointed out the arbitration could get in the way was called an idiot because their hero Hearn was making weekly announcements. Even when Arum publicly changed his stance and said 'AJ-Fury is dead in the water' Hearn and his merry men continued with the 'yeah but Arum said it won't be a problem' for another couple of months. You can't now go back on it with nonsense like 'but Fury was more dominant.' It doesn't matter, Wilder had the contractual right to request a third fight regardless of how he lost which is what he did but Hearn and his fanboys completely ignored it. There's no two ways about it. So in that sense, Hearn's fan club should be in agreement if Usyk tries to bypass the rematch and go for a unification bout with the winner of Fury-Wilder 3.

Decent answer. An all Brit showdown for undisputed IS a thing. And it's not hypocritical to say so. It's ok to say "I really wanted to see that fight and even tho these situations are the same I am not as interested". But to act like there is a difference is hilarious. Thanks for your honesty. No worries I would have liked to seen fury vs Joshua, More than fine with wilder vs usyk if it leads us to undisputed tho.

To be fair that's a decent question. The answer is going to be no. I think that was possibly as much to do as fans wanting fury vs aj rather than the manner of the fury win. So it was more of a pro fury vs aj thing rather than an anti wilder thing Decent answer. An all Brit showdown for undisputed IS a thing. And it's not hypocritical to say so. It's ok to say "I really wanted to see that fight and even tho these situations are the same I am not as interested". But to act like there is a difference is hilarious. Thanks for your honesty.

Ignore it? Because they said it wouldn't be a problem. Wilder also lost every second of the fight, Wilder-Fury is the most underserving rematch in history. You can't compare the two situations. His team said he could have got out of the contract in December, i'll take their word over yours. Thanks. His team was wrong. And of all people who should have known the bullcrap wouldn't fly, Warren and Arum should have been first in line. Warren was connected to Lennox Lewis around the time of the dispute with Rahman. And Arum promoted Rahman later. The Lewis vs Rahman case was the exact precedent cited by the arbitration judge. So, their "word" was in contradiction to a similar situation they should have been familiar with. Also, however well you think Fury did the second fight, the fact remains he was UNCONSCIOUS in the first one and that is entirely possible in a third fight. More possible, in fact, than AJ figuring out a way to beat Usyk in just 6 months. So again I ask...why aren't you keeping the same energy?

To be fair that's a decent question. The answer is going to be no. I think that was possibly as much to do as fans wanting fury vs aj rather than the manner of the fury win. So it was more of a pro fury vs aj thing rather than an anti wilder thing

I want to see the Fury-Wilder III winner fight Dillian Whyte. I also want to see the Usyk/Joshua rematch. Winners fight each other. There will be absolutely no excuses after that and not a single other fighter will have an argument to be in the mix with the last two remaining after that. I absolutely think this is actually the way thing will play out. AJ is definitely going to enforce his rematch clause and the WBC champion finally taking out the trash that is Dillian Whyte is a decent purse while Usyk and AJ are sorted out. My question is, if the Oct 9 winner and Usyk tried to do the same thing AJ and Fury tried to do, would your stance on that attempt to unify be the same as the one that ultimately failed earlier this year?

Fact is it was a closer fight and he did have a get out clause, his own team confirmed he could have walked away in December. Apples and Oranges. Impossible for a fighter to get beaten any worse than Wilder did against Fury. The contract Fury signed had an arbitration and mediation clause, not any "get out" clause. That's exactly why they're fighting in two weeks, so you can keep parroting nonsense all you like but the truth is the truth. But again (as usual) you're missing the point. And you didn't answer the OP. The point isn't the rematch clause. The point is that folks were willing to ignore it when it came to excluding Wilder and making the AJ vs Fury fight. All parties involved knew Wilder would seek legal remedy AND THEY DIDN'T CARE. So I'm asking...if the winner Oct 9 tries to immediately unify with Usyk will you back that as much as you backed AJ vs Fury? And why or why not? I mean isn't getting an undisputed heavyweight champion the best thing?

Usyks win wasn't anywhere close to as dominant as Fury's over Wilder and Fury had a get out clause, Usyk does not. The fact remains most folks don't think AJ can do any better in a rematch. And clearly, Fury DIDN'T have a get out clause because if he did we wouldn't have a fight next month. Congrats on being the first hypocrite to reply tho...