Why do some fans want to see young boxers step up so quick?

Kev4y ago

Pro Boxing is like literally anything else, any sport, any academic subject, any job. Anything. I really would not appreciate entering college and being thrown straight into Calculus III. Without even taking College Algebra, Precalculus, Calculus I and II and what ever the heck type of math comes before Calculus III. Don’t know, don’t care. All I know is I took College Algebra, busted my dumbass on it, got an A on it, and told myself this is the last math class I am taking in my life (that and College Statistics). Regardless, please understand guys, an up and coming fighter looking good vs C and D level showcase fighters, does NOT mean they should fight the #1 fighter of their division to “see what they are really made of”. For god’s sake, beloved fighters of history with 100 wins, did not fight 100 top 10 fighters. Yes they fought more frequently, but these frequent opponents had something in common: they have close to a losing record or are just above 500% in their win/loss column. Or even worse, they were debuting. Jake Paul, who is not the best boxer in the world, could go 50-0 just fighting people who have no business in the boxing ring. A lot of these inflated records consist of that. People off the street or fighters that are just good at all. No, I am not defending Paul. This is not about him, just an example that with good matchmaking, any boxer on Earth can end up 100-5-4. A young up and coming prospect who’s steamrolling vs C, D level fighters doesn’t mean he has to fight the top 5 of his division to prove himself. It’s like that with any sport, any career, any subject. I considered myself a smart student when I attended college. But just because you are smart, does not mean you are ready for the MCAT or Bar exam without even studying for it at all. Same for boxing, looking good in the ring vs lower level fighters does not make you ready for the elites without even showing you can dominate B fighters. But this is what fans expect out of young fighters. They do not care if the young fighter needs to increase the opponent level gradually. Fight an A class fighter now and lose for being inexperienced will just get silly comments from the same fans. When the fighter loses, he is a joke and needs to retire.

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genrick

Charlo fought a long line of bums when he moved up. Here is Benavidez being asked to move up and head straight to the lions den. Fight guys like Beterbiev, Bivol...

4y ago

maguirre

Wonder what happened to the point in this thread. Benavidez is only 24, yet he's not being babied like 30 yr old Charlo is and others. See the contradiction?

4y ago

Kev

E-thug? For pointing out how much flexing you doing in this thread. First you create a thread where you and you alone have an opinion that no-one understands. You keep bring up levels, its actually common sense honestly. you steer the narrative of the thread to bring up past experiences in a boxing gym. Is that what picks you up as a super fan and gained untouchable knowledge? you seem to know a lot of boxing as a whole, but you come off as a douche. Js, have a nice day. “You steer the narrative to bring up past experience in a gym”. I made one post where I said I boxed and could not do any thing due to medical issues. How is that flexing? You have to be special to find that flexing. I understand if I was in here lying about going 100-0 in the amateurs and then becoming injured and having to drop my aspirations. But the post mentioned how I did not even fought in the amateurs due to medical issues with my eyes. Which btw, these medical issues were not an issue to play in literally any other sport that is not combat. Which goes to show the toughness of boxing and how it is not as easy to make it in as you thugs think it is. The post went way over your head, which I am not surprised about. The majority of you seem to have an IQ which borders legit mental re tard ation. This post goes to show it even further. You just don’t get anything through that thick skill of yours.

4y ago

BustedKnuckles

I would like to see you and the poster you are quoting start a career vs 20 tomato cans to see what your records look like. You two would probably end up retiring with brain damage after your 20th can. And would likely have a crap record. The fans who talk the most sh.t about young underdeveloped fighters needing to step up quickly are probably the most uncoordinated, unathletic fans out there. It’s always those who know nothing about sports in practice who ask the most out of athletes. Fighting cans is a BS way to start a career? What do you know about starting any sports career? How many fighters have you trained? Hold up. What? I didn't say young undeveloped fighters need to step up quickly. Where did I say that? Go ahead, quote me... I said fighting 20 cans is a BS way to start a career. Good competition is good competition. Obviously a newbie starts at the bottom and steps up as he goes along. But I turn off fights where the young guy steps in with a fighter 12 inches shorter than him. And though there's a place for fights where the 12-0 prospect (or thereabouts) faces the 12-8 guy, 10 or 20 of those is a little much. So slow your roll. Now if you want to make assumptions about me and my prowess, athletic ability, fitness, etc. I couldn't care less. You don't jack about me. Setting up a straw man and knocking it down is just smoke and mirrors; it doesn't prove anything on your side.

4y ago

clmags12

https://youtu.be/Pk0MbrzfmWM Boxing fans are the biggest internet thugs online. A-class e-thugs. So many boxer’s lives ruined and boxing fans have the luxury to point fingers on which young fighter needs to fight who. None of you care about fighters like Magomed Abdusalamov or Jeanette Zapata do you? You just sit there, make believe you are all tough guys who can get past 20 tomato cans undefeated and belittle fighters who are actually in there risking their health and life. I love this thread, it brought out all the clowns. It’s exposing boxing fans at least a little bit. E-thug? For pointing out how much flexing you doing in this thread. First you create a thread where you and you alone have an opinion that no-one understands. You keep bring up levels, its actually common sense honestly. you steer the narrative of the thread to bring up past experiences in a boxing gym. Is that what picks you up as a super fan and gained untouchable knowledge? you seem to know a lot of boxing as a whole, but you come off as a douche. Js, have a nice day.

4y ago

Kev

use to be a time when Prospects fought on Prelims off TV and you really wouldn't start seeing them on TV until a few years later into their careers Now guys are making Pro Debuts on Networks...Marc Castro Pro Debut end up being a Co Feature to Canelo vs Callum Smith fight...talk about Pressure! In a dangerous sport like this, No young fighter should be rushed, Gabe Flores Jr. most recently is a remind of that. Kid is 21 years young, ZERO reason to rush him...not to question Bruce Tramper and Bob Arum, they're the absolute best at developing and building up young talent in this great sport BUT that proved to be just too big of a leap for young Gabe and I hope it is not something that effects and he never recovers because that would be sad. Keep these kids off TV, go back to burying them on Prelims and let them EARN a spot on TV Great post. You get it man. Boxing is going to have to go through a change anyway. Watch. The brain injuries and deaths are not going to keep getting ignored. It does not matter how little fans care. There will need to be a change.

4y ago

Kev

Bro, Do you ever just go outside, take off ypur shirt and just start flexing? Thats the equivalent of this thread. Its kinda gay. https://youtu.be/Pk0MbrzfmWM Boxing fans are the biggest internet thugs online. A-class e-thugs. So many boxer’s lives ruined and boxing fans have the luxury to point fingers on which young fighter needs to fight who. None of you care about fighters like Magomed Abdusalamov or Jeanette Zapata do you? You just sit there, make believe you are all tough guys who can get past 20 tomato cans undefeated and belittle fighters who are actually in there risking their health and life. I love this thread, it brought out all the clowns. It’s exposing boxing fans at least a little bit.

4y ago

BodyBagz

The pros are night and day to the amateurs. In the ams we were there to keep the young boxers as safe as possible. Essentially, it comes down to damage in the pros and how much money you could make. True dat doe, 20 'cans' can leave you damaged.............Rockin':boxing: What separates a can from a Joe ? I will tell you. ''Cans'' typically can't do shlt else but ''fight'' to make money. They know winning is not in their future and a laughable resume is to be expected. I'm not talking about past prime contenders. I'm talking about those no hopers who get KTFO every other fight right out the gate. It's usually a bad career choice to fight a bunch of cans, be it at the start of a career or at any point. You get the least amount of $$$$ and no credit.

4y ago

Dobyzhee

I think 20 fights is a good barometer for a boxer..

4y ago

clmags12

4y ago

Kev

I think you just coined a new term by accident. "BStart your career". Cuz fighting cans is a BS way to start a career, and an even worse way to continue it. I would like to see you and the poster you are quoting start a career vs 20 tomato cans to see what your records look like. You two would probably end up retiring with brain damage after your 20th can. And would likely have a crap record. The fans who talk the most sh.t about young underdeveloped fighters needing to step up quickly are probably the most uncoordinated, unathletic fans out there. It’s always those who know nothing about sports in practice who ask the most out of athletes. Fighting cans is a BS way to start a career? What do you know about starting any sports career? How many fighters have you trained?

4y ago

sicko

4y ago

Kev

Progression is key. Every fight should be a slight step up. If a fighter stalls and continually fights the same level blowing them out, it's pointless and he should rightfully be called out for it. #2 P4P Roman Gonzalez fought Valentin Leon, who was 29-29-3. Nobody cared. Writers kept praising him. His fans shrugged it off. Meanwhile 23-year-old Ryan Garcia needs to fight Anthony Joshua next to prove himself and show fans the Luke Campbell knockout was not a fluke.

4y ago

BustedKnuckles

Fighters dont fight 100 fights now so there is no need to fight 20 cans in a row tobstart your career. I think you just coined a new term by accident. "BStart your career". Cuz fighting cans is a BS way to start a career, and an even worse way to continue it.

4y ago

Kev

That’s not his argument,his argument is the fans wanting the fighters in general to be rushed in the early stages of the careers . The Wilder fight never happened generally because of the Wilder crazy fan base where they reinforced Wilders behavior and he had enough crazies in the hard core fan base that it also effected the casual fan base where they questioned AJ instead of the guy declining offers . So the public pressure was not actually there it was more finger pointing which was the team Wilder agenda there . Fights that don’t happen have mostly been because of the PBC , you listed two fighters from there which isn’t a coincidence. I dont think there’s really many mega fights that would put attention to the fans to demand a fight ,there was a few but not many . As long as you have one side of crazy fans that don’t go after their fighter they like to take a certain fight ,it only gives that side more ammunition not to to take that fight . Thanks for getting it. I speak multiple languages. English is not my native language. But I know I have written this thread and its contents in plain English. I assume English is that guy’s and some other dudes only language here. It’s sad to see how dumb they are at their only language. He just won’t comprehend my argument, even if I dumb it down to what I think they will understand. It’s like if I am attempting to discuss this with flies. I say one thing, and they come back and start arguing about something almost completely different. The US’s Pre-K through 12th grade education is listed as among the worst of all developed countries. Consistently, by not only foreign publications, but also US publications itself. And it shows here in this thread how bad it is. So thank you for getting my argument. Seriously, I appreciate your understanding.

4y ago

maguirre

That’s not his argument,his argument is the fans wanting the fighters in general to be rushed in the early stages of the careers . Fans can say anything they want. But that doesn't mean fights get made because of it. They don't. There are layers and layers of obstacles before any fight even gets to the first step. The fighter's old man may not even approve of the fight, for example. Even the fighter's own trainer get to have a say whether to say yes or no to the fight. Not to mention the manager, advisor, networks' execs, you name it. It's naive to assume these people behind all these fights are influenced by what fans say. They don't give a hoot.

4y ago

paulf

You know, it annoys me too but also I understand. Many fans are so embittered by all the garbage going on in boxing, so many events like what took place last weekend, so many showcases, so many fighters having made ten defenses of their fake title against D-list and/or compromised opponents, that the only time many fans can get a real high from watching the sport is when the matchmakers screw up and their blue-chip prospect gets KTFO in his home town in front of his friends and family.

4y ago

elfag

Forgot where I found it, but I think I read somewhere that a LOT of promoters/managers saw what happened to Fernando Vargas and got scared to never do such a thing again Yeah vargas was an "HBO fighter" I dont know how the background financials worked and chit but HBO back then had a few favorites and they had them promoted up on their website. You could go to HBO boxing website and read bios and chit but only on about a dozen or so fighters they were semi promoting or whatever. The division was pretty deep back then and they squeaked him by Winky in a very close fight, then got destroyed by tito and DLH. They realized they could have really milked him a long for a lot more years, get him some wins over "name" fighters who had more wear on them like quartey, before cashing out on the riskier fights. Financially that would have been a better strategy for them and that is exactly what they do these days. Thing that sucked for Winky was after that vargas fight on HBO, he was sent back packing fighting on EPSN for years until Mosley took a risk and offered him a fight. Mosley could have just ignored him and Winky would have never had his second wind late in his career all because Winky wasnt seen as marketable or exciting.

4y ago

elfag

Hilarious thread. The idea that boxing promoters, managers, networks, trainers, handlers are pressured by fans to do certain fights is comedic. It's silly. It took 5 years to make the Pac/May fight. Crawford/Spence is still far from happening. Wilder/Joshua, and many more. Fans can demand certain fights till they're blue in the face and such fights still won''t happen. You have to show examples where fights are made because fans pushed for them. True, we are ONLY getting crawford-porter because the ABC finally forced them to make the fight and crawford/arum almost threw the belt in the trashcan and moved to 154. Cross network cross promoter super fights like Pac/May and Tyson/Lewis, even with a mountain of money to be made the networks and promoters still nearly refuse to make them. It took years of negotiations for both fights.

4y ago

elfag

Padding records have been around for a century now. In fact in modern boxing, boxers don’t fight as many tomato cans as fighters who won 100 fights. They do not have that luxury. Boxing fans seem to always insult the ATG fighters unintentionally. By suggesting all fighters can do that. Again, let me try to break this down so that even 5 years olds can understand: Tyson, Ali, Foreman won belts at a young age and showed they were great at a young age? Okay so everyone can do this I assume? If so, why are they praised? If anyone can do what they did, then why are those 3 fighters in the HOF? Does that really make sense to you. You and a group of others keep mentioning ATG’s resume’s, without realizing what you are suggesting. If Foreman, Tyson, and Ali can do it then so can you and I? Some boxers develop faster than others. That is great for them. They end up becoming ATG’s. But that is not a situation that one size fits all. Using HOFers and ATG’s as a measuring stick is either setting the bar unreasonably high, or, you subconsciously don’t think too highly of ATG/HOF careers because you expect everyone to do what they did. Which is more amusing than anything. Same guys you think you are defending, you are downplaying their success by thinking any good to decent young boxer to the same. But we ARE talking about fighters who are supposedly the best of their division. We arent talking about C level fighters, we are talking about guys in the top 10. This is how we end up with the andrande's and charlos who are hyped but never fought anybody at 30+ years old. hell wilder was over 30 befire he fought someone good. The networks, promoters ect HYPE these guys and market them as being great but protect their record. Its not like they tried and failed, they never tried at all. The promotors never gave them a chance to be an ATG because they never tried.

4y ago