Harry Greb >Sugar Ray Robinson

- -U ain't on the same intellectual level of a gnat. What grade U get put back this year? Truth hurts

Boxers pre 1980s just aren't on the same level athletically as ones in the modern era. Better nutrition, superior coaching, much better technique with boxers these days. Athleticism is just one tool. And technique is NOT better these days. A lot of technique that they had back then has actually been lost. As an example few in the modern era can even use the shoulder roll defense correctly, the ones that excelled at it (Floyd and James Toney) have ties to old school lineage coaches.

Boxers pre 1980s just aren't on the same level athletically as ones in the modern era. Better nutrition, superior coaching, much better technique with boxers these days. - -U ain't on the same intellectual level of a gnat. What grade U get put back this year?

Boxers pre 1980s just aren't on the same level athletically as ones in the modern era. Better nutrition, superior coaching, much better technique with boxers these days.

If Greb was a rubbish as some people say, then everyone from his era has to be rubbish too as greb was clearly the best of his era. He gave the heavier Tunney all he could handle in multiple fights so Tunney would have to be rubbish too, ditto Dempsey, Walker etc. His record is unsurpassed in boxing in terms of the amount of fights , wins and the quality of the of those boxers for their time. The footage we have of him is irrelevant. He’s not actually fighting and you can’t gauge the strength of his chin, how hard he punched, how brave was he, how much stamina did he have just from that footage. He’s the p4p number 1 all time for me based on his record. The man had 300 fights against the best boxers of his day and arguably only Tunney came out on top. What would today’s boxers be like if they had to fight every other week, with smaller gloves and less medical presence and general protection. How many times did greb fight injured? Would they survive that? It’s such a different era where boxers fight 2 or 3 times a year. It’s so hard to compare but of his era he’s sensational.

Didnt he give Jack Dempsey fits? Also Greb was said to be the type to bite chunks out og opponents shoulders

Explain why someone thinking Ali being the goat is stupid? That guy is a clinical retard, don't bother asking him man. He lives in a delusional fantasy and if you ask him about Mosley abusing PED's, he'll ignore it

The era of stat padding. Looking over Greb's resume, it's all over the place with guy with less than 10 wins and more than 20 losses. Guys with 100+ wins :lol1: !!!! Not only was record keeping sketchy AF, but anyone willing to lace them up were considered boxers. The Mob basically told the sport who wins and loses.

Harry Greb fought nearly 60 top 10 P4P fighters and went 40-12-5 against them spending over 9 years on the P4P list. He fought a staggering 28 top 3 P4P fighters going 4-1 vs the #1 P4P fighters in a short period of time. Imagine how much better his record would be when you realise most of those losses came at the hands of the much, much bigger Gene Tunney. Greb walked around at a shade over 160lbs he'd be nothing but a good size WW today. Do you know how insane that is? We have excuses today this guy weighed 3lbs more, this fighter weight drained the other by 2lbs. This guy was 160lbs soaking wet and hospitalising some of the finest fighters to ever live that were twice his size. This man is the #goat, not Sugar Ray Robinson. Men lie, women lie, numbers don't. I rate both Langford and Green ahead of SRR. Langford gets the nod from me for beating the very best fighters from lightweight to heavyweight. I wouldn't argue against Greb being in the top spot though as he is certainly a favorite of mine and you make a compelling argument.

there was no p4p list then so how could he have been p4p for 9 years?

Why are you going to actually post some input on the subject if I do?

Move this topic to the history subforum.

SRR was greater than Greb IMO but it’s very difficult to compare what you’ve read to what you’ve saw. I find it difficult to rank Greb, Langford, Gans, Fitzsimmons etc because there’s such limited footage. No footage, did they even exist? Right dan_cov :lol1:

Greb is as great as Ali Raymi

Maybe its his own personal data base through years of studying. I'm uncertain but whoever compiled it has gone to some effort and research and it seems consistent throughout I'd say and while I'm anything but a boxing historian I wouldn't have thought the list was too far-fetched. If there was a P4P list at the time or one was to be created based on their resumes and such I don't think there is many you could argue with on the list.

Admittedly I don't care for todays p4p lists let alone those over 100 years back. Maybe P4P is more a recent thing, I have no idea when it was formed but looking at the guys he fought I think that the list I seen was probably not too far-fetched in all fairness but I am sure someone who studied boxing history very deeply could shed more light on the rankings. I have no issue with the list whether its official or not, all P4P lists are a bit silly imo If anything I am quite surprised Gene Tunney was as low as #3 Here is a copy of it;

Lol…”top 10 ATG doe. Read the newspapers doe. You don’t know how to read doe. You are stupid because you can’t visualize a good boxer through literature doe!” Man that guy looks absolutely awful. Fck man. He looks like a child who is fighting for the first time. Seeing his style, it makes me wonder just how bad boxers were at that time if HE is among the best? Talk about having no competition. I mean I know all he had as competition were other robotic and unathletic fighters. It’s like watching Jerry West do a lay up and then watching Michael Jordan be an athletic freak. Day and night. It’s so sad that in boxing, the fighters of the past are the only one’s who can be labeled top 10 great and can’t be replaced. It’s no wonder that Americas great white hypes are now extinct. They can no longer compete in the sport because it became so international. It is no longer full of unathletic, awful boxers like him. Lol he is an ATG and HOF’er who fought like THAT? That is so ridiculous. There is no newspaper or radio recording that would make me erase his awful technique. Why you so against reading mate? :lol1: Reading’s alright.

Greb is for sure in the conversation when it comes to boxing GOAT. Based just on his resume. It's a shame no fight footage of him seems to exist.

Greb was obviously great, especially considering he fought a lot of fights without sight in one eye I read somewhere. Tunney beat him 3 out of 4 times I think, and was a career light heavy until the end. Still bigger than Greb but not like he was a big heavy. Tunney was ahead of his time as far as skill, but you can't deny Grebs accomplishments, and giving Tunney his only loss.

Joe Louis is the GOAT but I’m fine with this opinion. At least I don’t have to hear anymore about Ali or something even stupider like Mayweather. Explain why someone thinking Ali being the goat is stupid?