For all the talk about UFC taking over boxing...proof its a myth(lets debate mma fans)

Gotta remember people want realistic action whos an actual better fighter ect we love ko tap outs ect when u 8 weapons plus take downs makes it more realistic to combat n streetfights so we want to see ko. Mma overtook boxing in americas cant blame em boxing has no1 but canelo then youtubers. Promoters do very shhh job promoting there fighters fighters now days ryan garcia canelo fury better of promoting self than dealing with promoters. Boxing is stagnant in america for 1 boxers be bsn on fighting eachother/ making big fights. Literally only be 1 fight a year worth shelling 80 dollars for other than that mmm with lack of depth on card no thanks. Truthfully this english speaking shhh talking action packed canelo thank u ggg. Is what boxing in the usa canada needs im order to be relevant again for mmm f... All these youtubers it shows the state of the game. Also mma ia real wwe fake ochestrated n rehearst . boxing does samw gimmicks money mayweather tyson fury all promo cuts from wwf dwayne johnson days

So you arbitrarily choose last yr as when to start counting ppv fights(to fit your agenda) despite covid & because Ufc is more akin to a small nba type league,they were able to create a bubble & have all their top draws fighting,whereas the exact opposite has happened in boxing since covid including top fighters catching covid. And of course you discount that the top drawing boxers fight on Dazn You keep reaching though:lol1: Top 20 highest drawing none freakshow PPV fights in the US after Floyd/Pac (May 2015) and before 2020. Conor/Khabib - 2.4m Conor/Diaz 2 - 1.6m Conor/Diaz 1 - 1.3m Conor/Alvarez - 1.3m Canelo/GGG 1- 1.3m Conor/Aldo - 1.2m Canelo/GGG 2 - 1.1m Ronda/Holm - 1.1m Ronda/Nunes - 1.1m UFC 200 - 1m Canelo/Chavez jr - 1m Canelo/Cotto - 900k Ronda/Correia - 900k GSP/Bisping - 875k Jones/DC 2 - 860k Conor/Mendes - 825k Jones/Gus 2 - 700k Canelo/Khan - 600k Pac/Thurman - 500k Stipe/Reem - 475k Over that time frame there were 21 US domestic boxing PPVs and 55 UFC PPVs. You are in total denial.

Since 2020 without Conors 3 PPVs included: Usman/Mas 1 - 1.3m buys Fury/Wilder 2 - 1.2m Usman/Mas 2 - 700k Adesanya/Jan - 800k Adesanya/Costa - 700k Ferg/Gaethje - 700k Khabib/Gaethje - 675k Adesanya/Vettori - 600k Stipe/DC 3 - 500k Oliveira/Chandler - 300k Spence/Garcia - 250k Tank/LSC - 225k Tank/Barrios - 200k Arreola/Ruiz - 125k Charlo/Derevyanchenko - 120k Thats not even all the UFCs over that time as theres the 3 Conor fights plus a few more PPVs that didnt have confirmed numbers. You make it so easy. So you arbitrarily choose last yr as when to start counting ppv fights(to fit your agenda) despite covid & because Ufc is more akin to a small nba type league,they were able to create a bubble & have all their top draws fighting,whereas the exact opposite has happened in boxing since covid including top fighters catching covid. And of course you discount that the top drawing boxers fight on Dazn You keep reaching though:lol1:

So because 1 single fighter whos a bum with all of Ireland watching his fights,that equates to ufc taking over?:lol1: That exposes how dependant ufc is on that 1 bum & those numbers are bs anyways Since 2020 without Conors 3 PPVs included: Usman/Mas 1 - 1.3m buys Fury/Wilder 2 - 1.2m Usman/Mas 2 - 700k Adesanya/Jan - 800k Adesanya/Costa - 700k Ferg/Gaethje - 700k Khabib/Gaethje - 675k Adesanya/Vettori - 600k Stipe/DC 3 - 500k Oliveira/Chandler - 300k Spence/Garcia - 250k Tank/LSC - 225k Tank/Barrios - 200k Arreola/Ruiz - 125k Charlo/Derevyanchenko - 120k Thats not even all the UFCs over that time as theres the 3 Conor fights plus a few more PPVs that didnt have confirmed numbers. You make it so easy.

Estimated 1.8m PPV buys for that Conor fight just now. Another example of UFC totally not taking over..... So because 1 single fighter whos a bum with all of Ireland watching his fights,that equates to ufc taking over?:lol1: That exposes how dependant ufc is on that 1 bum & those numbers are bs anyways

Estimated 1.8m PPV buys for that Conor fight just now. Another example of UFC totally not taking over.....

I don't think it's much of the "UFC taking over Boxing" more so than some Boxing fans just being naïve to the UFC's overall popularity right now. When "BIG" Boxing matches are made the casual public will still show up (as they assumingly will for Pacquiao and Spence). The UFC in itself IS a brand / entity that the casual public has a very easy time following. With Boxing (especially today) being so fragmented between Networks / Promoters / & Secondary Titlists being promoted as "World Champions" along with the top fights more times than not being made how can anyone think Boxing is in this "healthy place"? The argument most Boxing fans use as a crutch when the debate is made between MMA & Boxing almost always comes down to fighter pay outs. But for someone who's a fan of both MMA & Boxing, what does the fighter pay out matter in relation to the overall product? Here are the UFC's last 5 PPVs: UFC 260 (Miocic vs NGannou 2) - 350K Buys UFC 261 (Usman v Masdival 2) - 700K Buys UFC 262 - 300K Buys UFC 263 (Adesanya vs Vettori) - 500K Buys UFC 264 - (McGregor v Porier 2) - in the range of 1.2 Mill buys currently Boxing's last 5 PPVs: Wilder v Fury 2 - 850K buys Tank vs Leo Santa Cruz - 200K buys Tank vs Barrios - 210K Buys Spence vs Danny Garcia - 250K buys Canelo v BJS "reportedly" had 400K new Subs to DAZN So if you're a casual observer looking at these numbers one would assume the UFC isn't doing bad AT ALL. I've ALWAYS had the attitude that you CAN watch both individually without ****ting on the other product. those are not boxing's last 5 ppvs :lol. 3 of those fights are from last year. There have been more than 2 ppv events this year..

Oh yeah,Ufc doesn't"have the best fighting the best" I have thoroughly debunked that. Itd be like this scenario exactly: imagine if Gilberto Ramirez got the only title at 175 because he was signed to the sole promoter of all of boxing over guys like Beterbieve & Bivol due to being more marketable,then when he fights guys like Jesse Hart for his trinket, fans start saying how much they love boxing "Because of 1 belt & the best fighting the best", thats the exact same thing ufc fans do when they claim bums like Cowboy Cerrone,Conner Mcgimper,Nate Diaz,& a bunch of other phony "#1 vs #2" bums are the best fighting the best, just because ufc only has a few fighters in each weightclass who are all C levels. Ufc is the equivalent of if Pbc created its own belt & matched up all its own in house journeyman while proclaiming them the best despite them not having to go through anything a boxer has to prove they're world level,boxers have to win minor belts & eliminators for years & years,& Ufc fighters barely fight sporadically,have the shortest careers at elite level on avg of any combat sport,& they barely have to prove their the best if they check the right demo boxes. You do realize there are a bunch of independent rankings right? Fightmatrix, Tapology, Sherdog etc, they dont deviate all that much from the UFCs own rankings. The only division you could argue is stronger outside of the UFC right now is 205. You're desperately reaching again and coming up with convoluted shit to try and dismiss an obvious truth lol. The UFC gets shit done, boxing teases and talks. As I stated,I have no problem with Ufc(other than that the entire sport slanders boxing to promote itself as do fans) No it doesnt, the tables have turned and its boxing fans that get insecure and salty over MMA now much more than vice versa. It already started shifting in the late 00s when you had Arum and Floyd crying over MMA as it gained momentum. I cant remember what fight it was now but around 07ish someone like Kellerman or Lampley in the post fight wrap up said something like "the UFC may be getting popular, and it may be entertaining, but you wont see the level of skill that we witnessed in the ring tonight". It was pretty telling because 5 years earlier no boxing broadcast was gonna be acknowledging MMA at all. boxing has hundreds of shows a yr where every divisions champions headline their own card. If you look at scheduled events globally for both sports Boxrec has 111 cards listed for the rest of July and Sherdog shows 97 for MMA. Quite a few of these none UFC MMA promotions are bigger than all but the biggest boxing promotions too. Especially if we are comparing promotions based outside of the US. My pt was boxing will continue to have mega fights with the most revenue,as well as moderately successful ppvs,while Ufc makes most its money off few ppvs of its biggest stars & by paying fighters poorly,theres no way Ufc ever truly becomes like boxing where boxing has dozens of fighters earning millions & subsidizing lesser draws on undercards. Yeah, you're underselling things. The UFC has had 8 ppvs so far this year and the lowest drawing one did better numbers than 6 of the last 10 none freakshow boxing PPVs stretching back to early 2019. And when you talk about mega fights, most huge fights in the post Floyd/Pac era happened in the UFC, not boxing.

As I stated,I have no problem with Ufc(other than that the entire sport slanders boxing to promote itself as do fans) Ufc is mostly not the same demographic as boxing(most ufc fans are at best casual boxing fans & most boxing fans are casual mma fans at best) As stated,Ufc has reached it potential already imho,if it gets any bigger it'll be unsustainable because boxing has hundreds of shows a yr where every divisions champions headline their own card. My pt was boxing will continue to have mega fights with the most revenue,as well as moderately successful ppvs,while Ufc makes most its money off few ppvs of its biggest stars & by paying fighters poorly,theres no way Ufc ever truly becomes like boxing where boxing has dozens of fighters earning millions & subsidizing lesser draws on undercards. While Boxing and MMA DO have different demographics I don't see a "huge" difference. I look at it very similar to the NBA & NFL. Two different games / different demographics but with A LOT of fans who watch both. Hell, even Boxers and MMA fighters themselves watch the opposing Sport almost all the time. As far as the UFC already reaching it's potential I suppose the same was said about Boxing in the mid-40s? MMA isn't going anywhere and the UFC at least right now are the #1 MMA Promotion on the planet, bar none. I see the Sport competitively and business wise (like Boxing) evolving as the years go on, especially if they're consistent with their product and new stars are created. I recall in 2011 (on this very forum) people saying UFC was done, they had no stars, etc. Skip a decade and that doesn't really seem to be the case.

I don't think it's much of the "UFC taking over Boxing" more so than some Boxing fans just being naïve to the UFC's overall popularity right now. When "BIG" Boxing matches are made the casual public will still show up (as they assumingly will for Pacquiao and Spence). The UFC in itself IS a brand / entity that the casual public has a very easy time following. With Boxing (especially today) being so fragmented between Networks / Promoters / & Secondary Titlists being promoted as "World Champions" along with the top fights more times than not being made how can anyone think Boxing is in this "healthy place"? The argument most Boxing fans use as a crutch when the debate is made between MMA & Boxing almost always comes down to fighter pay outs. But for someone who's a fan of both MMA & Boxing, what does the fighter pay out matter in relation to the overall product? Here are the UFC's last 5 PPVs: UFC 260 (Miocic vs NGannou 2) - 350K Buys UFC 261 (Usman v Masdival 2) - 700K Buys UFC 262 - 300K Buys UFC 263 (Adesanya vs Vettori) - 500K Buys UFC 264 - (McGregor v Porier 2) - in the range of 1.2 Mill buys currently Boxing's last 5 PPVs: Wilder v Fury 2 - 850K buys Tank vs Leo Santa Cruz - 200K buys Tank vs Barrios - 210K Buys Spence vs Danny Garcia - 250K buys Canelo v BJS "reportedly" had 400K new Subs to DAZN So if you're a casual observer looking at these numbers one would assume the UFC isn't doing bad AT ALL. I've ALWAYS had the attitude that you CAN watch both individually without ****ting on the other product. As I stated,I have no problem with Ufc(other than that the entire sport slanders boxing to promote itself as do fans) Ufc is mostly not the same demographic as boxing(most ufc fans are at best casual boxing fans & most boxing fans are casual mma fans at best) As stated,Ufc has reached it potential already imho,if it gets any bigger it'll be unsustainable because boxing has hundreds of shows a yr where every divisions champions headline their own card. My pt was boxing will continue to have mega fights with the most revenue,as well as moderately successful ppvs,while Ufc makes most its money off few ppvs of its biggest stars & by paying fighters poorly,theres no way Ufc ever truly becomes like boxing where boxing has dozens of fighters earning millions & subsidizing lesser draws on undercards.

Boxing has stagnated,no doubt,but my point is that its not due to UFC. Its due to boxers not making big fights as often & illegal streaming partly. The UFC is heavily streamed (illegally) as well though. Shit....practically EVERY sport in the US is heavily streamed hence why the the ratings have plummeted the last couple years. The NBA in particular is mainly televised on cable TV (ESPN, TNT, NBA League Pass, Local Sports Network) with the latter part of the season having games on ABC on Sundays and NBA Finals. It's not that people AREN'T watching the NBA but they're not paying cable companies more so than IPTV hosts & VPN accounts for 1/4 of the price they'd be paying prior.

I don't think it's much of the "UFC taking over Boxing" more so than some Boxing fans just being naïve to the UFC's overall popularity right now. When "BIG" Boxing matches are made the casual public will still show up (as they assumingly will for Pacquiao and Spence). The UFC in itself IS a brand / entity that the casual public has a very easy time following. With Boxing (especially today) being so fragmented between Networks / Promoters / & Secondary Titlists being promoted as "World Champions" along with the top fights more times than not being made how can anyone think Boxing is in this "healthy place"? The argument most Boxing fans use as a crutch when the debate is made between MMA & Boxing almost always comes down to fighter pay outs. But for someone who's a fan of both MMA & Boxing, what does the fighter pay out matter in relation to the overall product? Here are the UFC's last 5 PPVs: UFC 260 (Miocic vs NGannou 2) - 350K Buys UFC 261 (Usman v Masdival 2) - 700K Buys UFC 262 - 300K Buys UFC 263 (Adesanya vs Vettori) - 500K Buys UFC 264 - (McGregor v Porier 2) - in the range of 1.2 Mill buys currently Boxing's last 5 PPVs: Wilder v Fury 2 - 850K buys Tank vs Leo Santa Cruz - 200K buys Tank vs Barrios - 210K Buys Spence vs Danny Garcia - 250K buys Canelo v BJS "reportedly" had 400K new Subs to DAZN So if you're a casual observer looking at these numbers one would assume the UFC isn't doing bad AT ALL. I've ALWAYS had the attitude that you CAN watch both individually without shitting on the other product.

Lol almost every halfway decent boxer with a promoter behind him gets a long undefeated record and a belt while fighting a bunch of dudes with records like 4-65 who are literally paid to spar for a bit and then go down. Thats a hypejob. When are these UFC hypejobs supposed to run out anyway? they've been going to PPV every few weeks and doing great numbers for like 15 years now with a wide range of names. It already has in many respects. Of course boxing has a better history than a sport that basically came into existence in the 90s. But the present is tomorrows history. 30 years from now when people talk about great fights and fighters from back in the day they're likely gonna be talking about MMA over boxing. Oh yeah,Ufc doesn't"have the best fighting the best" I have thoroughly debunked that. Itd be like this scenario exactly: imagine if Gilberto Ramirez got the only title at 175 because he was signed to the sole promoter of all of boxing over guys like Beterbieve & Bivol due to being more marketable,then when he fights guys like Jesse Hart for his trinket, fans start saying how much they love boxing "Because of 1 belt & the best fighting the best", thats the exact same thing ufc fans do when they claim bums like Cowboy Cerrone,Conner Mcgimper,Nate Diaz,& a bunch of other phony "#1 vs #2" bums are the best fighting the best, just because ufc only has a few fighters in each weightclass who are all C levels. Ufc is the equivalent of if Pbc created its own belt & matched up all its own in house journeyman while proclaiming them the best despite them not having to go through anything a boxer has to prove they're world level,boxers have to win minor belts & eliminators for years & years,& Ufc fighters barely fight sporadically,have the shortest careers at elite level on avg of any combat sport,& they barely have to prove their the best if they check the right demo boxes.

Ufc is a lame sport compared to boxing Because..... wrastling is boring af & worse to watch than baseball or netball which says a lot Its ironic you bring up baseball when there are so many parallels between it and boxing. Both sports steeped in history and tradition, both now considered to be dying, archaic and watched by old dudes, both overtaken by a more dramatic flashy sport that people consider more exciting and violent (American football in baseballs case).

Lol almost every halfway decent boxer with a promoter behind him gets a long undefeated record and a belt while fighting a bunch of dudes with records like 4-65 who are literally paid to spar for a bit and then go down. Thats a hypejob. When are these UFC hypejobs supposed to run out anyway? they've been going to PPV every few weeks and doing great numbers for like 15 years now with a wide range of names. It already has in many respects. Of course boxing has a better history than a sport that basically came into existence in the 90s. But the present is tomorrows history. 30 years from now when people talk about great fights and fighters from back in the day they're likely gonna be talking about MMA over boxing. NoBody wants to watch men in thongs spoon each other,well almost NoBody like this guy https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...porn/82135182/ That alone is reason enough that Ufc never will bring in anywhere near the revenue boxing does as a sport(especially not once Ufc is bankrupted & has its business model destroyed, from class action lawsuits its facing that it will lose) Ufc is a lame sport compared to boxing Because..... wrastling is boring af & worse to watch than baseball or netball which says a lot

UFC MMA is built on hypejobs Their hypejobs are running out. Lol almost every halfway decent boxer with a promoter behind him gets a long undefeated record and a belt while fighting a bunch of dudes with records like 4-65 who are literally paid to spar for a bit and then go down. Thats a hypejob. When are these UFC hypejobs supposed to run out anyway? they've been going to PPV every few weeks and doing great numbers for like 15 years now with a wide range of names. Boxing will never be taken over by UFC, ever. The history of boxing alone is 1000 fold more then UFC can ever hold a candle to. It already has in many respects. Of course boxing has a better history than a sport that basically came into existence in the 90s. But the present is tomorrows history. 30 years from now when people talk about great fights and fighters from back in the day they're likely gonna be talking about MMA over boxing.

I am a fan of both, but boxing will always be my #1. Boxing will never be taken over by UFC, ever. The history of boxing alone is 1000 fold more then UFC can ever hold a candle to. - UFC is fast paced, intertwined with mixed styles which makes nearly every contest different - 1 belt per division with weight requirements widened to alleviate from too many weight classes - Way more top matchups. The top guys fight each other all the time. - The top fighters actually fight more then 1 time per year. PS: Dana White is a pos and doesn't pay the fighters nearly what they deserve.

UFC MMA is built on hypejobs Their hypejobs are running out.

UFC 264 was a big event, but how much of that can be credited towards Conor McGregor. He still remains its lone star. I think what boxing has, that UFC still doesn't, is star power. Since 2020 without Conor PPVs included: Usman/Mas 1 - 1.3m buys Fury/Wilder 2 - 1.2m Usman/Mas 2 - 700k Adesanya/Jan - 800k Adesanya/Costa - 700k Ferg/Gaethje - 700k Khabib/Gaethje - 675k Adesanya/Vettori - 600k Stipe/DC 3 - 500k Oliveira/Chandler - 300k Spence/Garcia - 250k Tank/LSC - 225k Tank/Barrios - 200k Arreola/Ruiz - 125k Charlo/Derevyanchenko - 120k Name me the last legendary UFC fight that you watched? Nothing feels special. Practically every Conor fight aside from the Cowboy one has felt bigger and more special than any boxing match since Floyd/Pac. I feel the UFC still kinda lacks the kind of crossover appeal which, I feel, can only be provided by heavyweights. In boxing, Joshua, Fury and Wilder are known across both shores. And this is despite it currently being a weak era. The Klitschko's were well known, Lewis was well know, Holyfield was well known, Tyson was...Tyson, Bruno was a national treasure in the UK. I used to not buy into it, but I do legit feel a combat sport is defined by its "heavy hitters". The kind of people who everyone feels they don't stand a chance against in a fight. We see this across combat sports and territories too. Guys like Bobb Sapp became huge stars in Japan without having much fighting talent, K1's biggest names seem to be guys like Veerhoeven and Hari. If anything, what becomes apparent is just how...lacking the UFC is in heavyweight stars. At the moment yes but this is not a constant thing. HW boxing right now is at its most high profile since when Tyson and Lennox were around. If you go back 10 years Wlad was fighting guys like Samuel Peter in Germany while Brock was fighting in Vegas doing massive PPV numbers and Cain/JDS were on network television in front of 9 million US viewers. Ngannou is a pretty big star/draw anyway, comparable to Wilder I would say.

The advantages that the UFC has over boxing are: 1) Monopoly where everyone is under the same promoter so big fights are able to happen more often 2) Their overall promotion (Promos, documentaries, production level) craps all over boxing’s. This allows the fans be invested in fighters more and so buy their ppvs 3) This one might be controversial but I feel like UFC fighters in general are just smarter than boxers and are able to communicate more effectively to the fans. This most likely has to do with most of them having gone to college for wrestling, football, etc. Guys like Fury exist in boxing but they are an anomaly where it seems in UFC every second guy is a good trash talker. 1. True 2. True, but didn't PBC try putting more focus on the boxers' backstories to try and get fans more involved? 3. I agree, but I think one other thing to factor in is language barriers as well. It's not uncommon in boxing for big names (like Canelo, for example) to not be able to speak English, or at least not good enough to engage in good trash talk that fans seem to love. In MMA they don't have that problem as often. An interesting story; back when the Gracies (primarily Rorion) were putting together the UFC, they focused heavily on marketing. They chose to use Royce Gracie to represent them, as he was smaller and less muscular and would show the art beating larger opponents. Royce was then down in Brazil, where the native language is Portuguese. They brought Royce up to the US and had him doing just two things; getting ready to fight and watching Sesame Street learning to speak English. Assuming Royce won, they wanted him to be able to speak good English to the American fans/consumers they were focusing on.