Is Floyd Mayweather the goat why or why not?

Have you ever seen Armstrong fight? Floyd would have knocked him out or shut him out. Especially the 2001 version of Floyd at 130 when he was PBF and knocking top guys out. Brutal beating for Armstrong. Really so why is Armstrong consistently top 10 all time, and Floyd barely cracks top 30.

Nobody was complaining about Shane when he starched Magrgarito the fight before but once Floyd fights him he's old. Shane turned pro in 93', Floyd turned pro in 96'. Hardly a massive gap there. Oscar wasn't at the best in his career, but he was still a phenom atg and had a lot left. Does a 99' version of Oscar beat Floyd? Hard to say, but probably not. On paper Floyd is the GOAT, but real aficionado's know Robinson is the real goat and would have blistered Floyd at 147. Ray turned pro at 135 and spent a lot of time at 147 so yea, it's a real fight. floyd better than Armstrong???? are you high? lol

if you have to ask if Mayweather is the greatest fighter of all time, then you don't belong on a boxing message board and while being incapable of discussing the sport. This is silly...

He has beaten more world champ than anyone possibly lost less rounds on champ level than anyone, retired 51-0 won a bronze medal. But it is true he didn’t fight legit everyone at their best so what is your argument on why he is or isn’t the goat? - -Best TBE TUE 51-0 ever and best running squallin' fer his crackdaddy moment in the history of boxing...:bling:

There are 7.9 Billion people on the planet, so tell me this many you speak of just how many are you on about, just so we can see the true perspective. Well srr was the goat. But young boxing stars of today can't automatically assume SR R was as it was a different time and don't know enough about SRR- the ins and outs. No young boxer today will think what Pac has did is achievable to them

i dont rate floyd that highly, but these things are always subjective. I do think however, that as the years go by, floyd's placement on the atg list is going to unfortunately have to be asterisked for the following: -Benefited from several gift decisions (Castillo, ODH, Manny (outlanded nearly 2:1)). -Abnormal T:E ratios indicative of PED abuse. If not for the fact that he was personally paying USADA, his blood samples would likely have undergone a re-test. how many of the ATG fighters needed to pay a drug testing agency to cover up ped use? -illegal IV usage. Floyd's IV levels prior to the manny fight were 1000% above the legal threshold. There can be no denying that this is massive red flag. Despite this advantage, he still got outlanded by a one-armed, past prime pacquiao. -repeated history of ducking best available fighters at the time (margarito, cotto, pacquiao come to mind). majority of his signature wins were against fighters several years removed from their primes. ironically, floyd would somewhat reverse this trend during the canelo fight, where he instead fought a teenage, weight drained canelo.

When you’re the one running around calling yourself TBE, the goat etc.. then your not it.

Well many are saying if he wins his next fight he is, or could very well be the goat. So if you are one win away from it even without it you must be there or thereabouts There are 7.9 Billion people on the planet, so tell me this many you speak of just how many are you on about, just so we can see the true perspective.

Anyone CREDIBLE saying that about his rival? This idiots hero worship aside, Floyd's an atf, deserved hofer and one of the best to ever do it but the goat? Not in my opinion. Well many are saying if he wins his next fight he is, or could very well be the goat. So if you are one win away from it even without it you must be there or thereabouts

I put Andre Ward above Mayweather in large part due to the Kovalev fights, those fights shown me more than anything in Mayweather's career. ​​​ Thats a hell of a hot take

There used to be a maximum of 8 champions at one time. Now there’s a maximum of 68. Yes, but you forgot to mention. In this time.. There are more boxers from all across the continents. Meaning, before it was a pond. Now it's an ocean of boxers. You can see competition now is vast and the top fighters if they get to get all belts and become Lineal is for me more impressive since the pool of fighters now are huge compared before. That said this thread is a troll thread. Floyd is not even close. He's probably around top 40ish.

I've never heard anyone say Floyd's goat. I've heard quite a few say his big rival was though Anyone CREDIBLE saying that about his rival? This idiots hero worship aside, Floyd's an atf, deserved hofer and one of the best to ever do it but the goat? Not in my opinion.

The p4p moniker was invented for Sugar Ray Robinson. Case closed.

I've never heard anyone say Floyd's goat. I've heard quite a few say his big rival was though

He's never fought an elite level fighter in their prime and at their best weight and no Corrales was not at his best weight when they fought. That champions argument is a silly smoke screen used to avoid nuance. For one, I don't think there were even as many belts available to fight for before his era so it's a largely unfair comparison. And even still, in my opinion any elite fighter can at least do a similar thing to what Mayweather did, as in they can all beat a large number of out of prime champions while avoiding unifications with the few primed elite ones - you see Canelo following that blueprint now. If not for the Mayweather loss, he suddenly looks like one of the greatest of all time too. Most other elite fighters have challenged themselves at some point with another primed elite fighter and continue to do so in to later ages, like Pacquaio, and that's gives us a more accurate context to measure their greatness. Mayweather is great but I can't call him the greatest because he's largely unproven to me. I put Andre Ward above Mayweather in large part due to the Kovalev fights, those fights shown me more than anything in Mayweather's career. ​​​ corrales hadnt even fought anyone when floyd fought him and did all his best work at 135. he had 1 top 5 win and 2 top 10 wins and he was p4p #5 lmao. also the top 5 win over garcia was a come from behind win after being outboxed. its a good win for floyd but corrales was so overhyped at the time and only redeemed himself with quality wins after the floyd loss which should show you floyds mindset. oh this guy is an easy mark ill fight him! same thing he did with baldomir at ww but not marg, cotto, pac, etc... ward lost the first kovalev fight clearly. 2nd fight was just a foul fest. his entire career was. im not a big floyd fan but he clearly was much better and didnt have to cheat nonstop to win. ward knew he could cheat at home his entire career. that tournament was setup so he didnt have to travel while other guys had 4 fights in 4 countries.

No. There’s others with better resumes. But he’s up there with the greatest fighters that have ever lived. Skillwise you could argue he’s #1.

None of that matters because of when he fought compared to when others fought. I find it hard to rank him above someone like a Jack Johnson and many others who accomplished who accomplished similar things while facing incredible racism. Jack Johnson lol, you people are emersed in the hype of boxing not the actual fights themselves, everyone is rated in your brain firstly by your own likes and dislikes and then on the hype that fits your own agenda, Jack Johnson lol, Jack would be put to sleep by any well-schooled legit modern HW anybody with eyes and knows a little about boxing could see it, Jack is a TModel ford and you think it can beat a modern sports car. GOAT is fan hype it's not reality, in any sport or any competition there is only fractions between the best of the best, you could wave the magic wand and all fighters are the same weight, then you fight all the greats against each other and the reality is any of the true greats could beat the other greats on their night, its one thing to step into the ring and another to being honed to perfection and peaking for that hour on that day. Boxing is just competition, same as a race car or racehorse, fighters are trained machines and when you look at them from that aspect all the hype BS goes out the window and the technique and conditioning come in where you're not looking at a person but a machine. Floyd is not the GOAT nobody is, but Floyd is in the same group of elites that would be the top 10% of all fighters, GOAT is only a Pedestal that fans created.

He's never fought an elite level fighter in their prime and at their best weight and no Corrales was not at his best weight when they fought. That champions argument is a silly smoke screen used to avoid nuance. For one, I don't think there were even as many belts available to fight for before his era so it's a largely unfair comparison. And even still, in my opinion any elite fighter can at least do a similar thing to what Mayweather did, as in they can all beat a large number of out of prime champions while avoiding unifications with the few primed elite ones - you see Canelo following that blueprint now. If not for the Mayweather loss, he suddenly looks like one of the greatest of all time too. Most other elite fighters have challenged themselves at some point with another primed elite fighter and continue to do so in to later ages, like Pacquaio, and that's gives us a more accurate context to measure their greatness. Mayweather is great but I can't call him the greatest because he's largely unproven to me. I put Andre Ward above Mayweather in large part due to the Kovalev fights, those fights shown me more than anything in Mayweather's career. ​​​

Either Mayweather or Tyson Fury. My sig is worthy of respect. Nash out.

Nobody was complaining about Shane when he starched Magrgarito the fight before but once Floyd fights him he's old. Shane turned pro in 93', Floyd turned pro in 96'. Hardly a massive gap there. Oscar wasn't at the best in his career, but he was still a phenom atg and had a lot left. Does a 99' version of Oscar beat Floyd? Hard to say, but probably not. On paper Floyd is the GOAT, but real aficionado's know Robinson is the real goat and would have blistered Floyd at 147. Ray turned pro at 135 and spent a lot of time at 147 so yea, it's a real fight. but mosley was old. people thought that for years before the marg fight. was that all erased because of one win? probablity says the more likely truth is hes still old. floyd knew this of course. he could barely keep up with shot mayorga before the marg fight and if you watch the marg fight you can see he's clinching nonstop. it wasnt some virtuoso performance. not at all. also did you see any of his fights after floyd? he had nothing left. actually did you see the floyd fight? he had nothing left after gassing in 2 rounds. a lot of evidence there to ignore in favor of the hes old column. oscar had a lot left...based on what? he lost to sturm bad decision. lost to hopkins. beat mayorga. 1 win in about 4 years when he fought floyd. after floyd he looked terrible against steve forbes. looked terrible against pac. not sure how that stretch can lead you to believe he had a lot left. those arent all time great wins like leonard over benitez, hearns, duran, hagler, etc..they are much closer to berbick over ali then leonards wins its just this era you can easily pick up belts and the like to make it seem like you are still relevant based on your name value