Quit acting like Nakatani is good ffs

If a favorite fighter of ours has an opponent lined up, how often will a fan say that opponent is a bum/mediocre ? 10/10 fans will give every opponent more credit than they deserve. Fury fans were doing it after the Wilder rematch.

Thinking about this because I haven't seen it here so much as other places. If anybody overrated Nakatani it's the Lopez fans, not the Loma fans. I always see them tack on Nakatani when talking about Teo's resume like obliterating Commey and beating a p4p fighter at 22 isn't good enough.

Japan produces a lot of good boxing fighters, with emphasis on fighting. Most of them don't make to the world level. The ones that do are usually pretty good. I consider Nakatani one of those. I agree that we need to see a lot more from him. But if he loses to Loma, I think he'll turn into a bum in the eyes of many. This is Nakatani's best ever chance. Win it or bust. Crossroads. Nakatani will die in that ring before he gives up: The silent warrior code. Loma hasn't seen anyone that big, strong, and relentless, since Salido. Nakatani's style is dirty, as well, without it being intentional. Spells a lot of trouble. I think this spirit meets the spirit of doubt in Loma, after losing that Lopez fight. I don't think Loma has enough power to keep him off, and honest, either. Loma is the more skilled one obviously, I'm not sure it's enough.

What is this supposed to mean? You think Lopez gave Loma his first loss in his 14 pro fight? A, Lopez has had 16 pro fights. B, Loma lost his second pro fight. It means they're elevating Lopez' leftovers in Nakatani. An opponent Lopez beat as a green novice in just his 14th pro fight.

verdejo is a celebrated amateur, similar to haney neither of them have done much in the pros when you say better resume, you mean the razor close linares one where haney did the chicken dance? Razor close lol Was razor close to being a total shutout. Yeah he did the chicken dance, better than being put on your ass like Loma was.

Nobody is really saying he is elite but they're certainly talking him up like he is a real threat. I am seeing it a lot on here and Youtube its simply easier to create a thread than it is to reply to each individual of which there seem way too many considering yet I barely see anyone calling this a mismatch or simply saying its just not a very good fight. Maybe after all these terrible exhibitions people are just getting carried away but it seems far more likely they're elevating another Loma opponent when few give Lopez any credit for poppin' his cherry in just his 14th pro fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj3S3PbntLc There are loads of posts using the search feat at the top of fans highlighting his size, how Loma should have taken an easier fight in his comeback and acting like if Loma does what should be expected of him then Lopez should give him a rematch or he'll have outdone Lopez who in fairness was practically a boy when he fought Nakatani. What is this supposed to mean? You think Lopez gave Loma his first loss in his 14 pro fight? A, Lopez has had 16 pro fights. B, Loma lost his second pro fight.

Where do you see me talking up Haneys accomplishments or resume? He's still in the infancy of his career and done practically nothing though lets have it right he's certainly accomplished more and has a better resume than Verdejo and didn't get sparked by 1, arguably two journeymen types. verdejo is a celebrated amateur, similar to haney neither of them have done much in the pros when you say better resume, you mean the razor close linares one where haney did the chicken dance?

Nakatani was not good when Lopez beat him, nobody suddenly rated him after beating Verdejo either Now he is signed to fight Loma fans are boosting him up just like they did Luke Campbell, Pedraza, Linares and were left with egg on their faces. Just stop elevating these ordinary fringe contender types if Loma was what was claimed he should have no problem dispatching them in dominant fashion. If he was as claimed he shouldn't even be fighting them all so often in the first place I think it was more Lopez was poor when he fought Nakatani, from memory that is when he was having his family drama etc, anyway for me I thought it was a bit of both, Nakatani better than expected, Lopez off his game a bit, still a clear win for Lopez but less than impressive. But at the end of the day he gave Lopez problems, had a good win since and is a decent fight for Loma after surgery and a loss, what is the problem? Campbell, Pedraza and Linares are all decent fighters, absolutely nothing wrong with their names on your record. Haney's best win is against Linares and it got real dicey for a while there. And to say Loma hasn't done much at 135, he individually unified more belts than anyone else currently fighting in the division, although I recognise its probably not his best weight. This hatred of fighters, especially ones who are out there actively going for undisputed is weird to me.

I wouldn't say Nakatani is overrated he is what he is. A tough come forward fighter with a huge heart but like everything theirs levels to the sport of boxing and heart and toughness can only get you so far. This should be an easy match for Loma because styles makes fights and simply because Loma is on another level. If somehow Loma struggles with him and it becomes a competitive fight I'd say that it confirms to me that Loma has been overrated and was not what they say he was. Takes nothing away from what Nakatani has accomplished so far in his career but this shouldn't be a competitive match for someone like Loma

Nobody is really saying he is elite but they're certainly talking him up like he is a real threat. I am seeing it a lot on here and Youtube its simply easier to create a thread than it is to reply to each individual of which there seem way too many considering yet I barely see anyone calling this a mismatch or simply saying its just not a very good fight. Maybe after all these terrible exhibitions people are just getting carried away but it seems far more likely they're elevating another Loma opponent when few give Lopez any credit for poppin' his cherry in just his 14th pro fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj3S3PbntLc There are loads of posts using the search feat at the top of fans highlighting his size, how Loma should have taken an easier fight in his comeback and acting like if Loma does what should be expected of him then Lopez should give him a rematch or he'll have outdone Lopez who in fairness was practically a boy when he fought Nakatani. Ok so I used the search function and the only real thread I came up with on the topic is by Mammoth - in which the wide majority of opinion is that Lomachenko outclasses him... with the notable exception of BiG (BoxingisGreat), notorious troll Sugar Shane and Queensbury whose intent is largely unfathomable most of the time. None of 'em are notable Lomachenko fans. Overall the tone to me looks pretty measured and it certainly ain't overrun with fanboys claiming Nakatani would be some kind of special win for Lomachenko. You quite sure you ain't just seeing what you want to see? And Youtube ain't NSB, man... you want to get your opinion to the tubers you might be better using the comments section on that platform perhaps? :dunno: https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...n-your-opinion It's not a great fight, not a terrible one, although I do agree we should always be asking for more as fans and it ain't wrong to shake our heads when we see 8/1 or 10/1 underdogs at this level. Still ain't seeing the point of starting the thread though even if things were as you say. As I said, you got individual posters you disagree with maybe best to just take issue with 'em individually rather than setting up a strawman.

and this is coming from someone who has haney as their avatar? youre a joke Where do you see me talking up Haneys accomplishments or resume? He's still in the infancy of his career and done practically nothing though lets have it right he's certainly accomplished more and has a better resume than Verdejo and didn't get sparked by 1, arguably two journeymen types.

If you combine that with the fact that Lomachenko hasn’t really done that well at 135, it’s a dangerous fight. This. I watched some Nakatani on YT to see his game a bit. He has the big reach advantage and does keep coming. I think the main thing is whether Loma should even be at 135. I'm not sure a win here would confirm that, but it's a good tune-up, and a good match for him considering that probably all good 135 fighters are bigger than Loma (rehydrated) at fight time. If he wins here, he better get on Haney or Lopez, right? The clocks ticking.

:thinking: I ain't seen these hordes of people claiming Nakatani is some kind of elite, in fact I ain't seen any of 'em. Only dude I saw expressing that they thought Nakatani might win was BiG and he ain't a Lomachenko fan. Perhaps it'd help if you mentioned some names and addressed their comments individually rather than shotgunning the whole forum, most of whom think Lomachenko will win but appreciate that he may be sliding and that Nakatani's a tough dude with no quit. Never quite understand why people make threads like this. Usually it turns out the sweeping declaration of bias or fanboyism is one or two people expressing themselves in a way that the TS finds a bit too hyperbolic. if you think someone's talking outta their arsehole, man, just address 'em personally and tell 'em why you think so. Starting a whole thread for it just comes across like you're the one with the issue. Nobody is really saying he is elite but they're certainly talking him up like he is a real threat. I am seeing it a lot on here and Youtube its simply easier to create a thread than it is to reply to each individual of which there seem way too many considering yet I barely see anyone calling this a mismatch or simply saying its just not a very good fight. Maybe after all these terrible exhibitions people are just getting carried away but it seems far more likely they're elevating another Loma opponent when few give Lopez any credit for poppin' his cherry in just his 14th pro fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj3S3PbntLc There are loads of posts using the search feat at the top of fans highlighting his size, how Loma should have taken an easier fight in his comeback and acting like if Loma does what should be expected of him then Lopez should give him a rematch or he'll have outdone Lopez who in fairness was practically a boy when he fought Nakatani.

What has Verdejo done or achieved? Who has he beaten? Arguably beat Lopez? What are you on about? and this is coming from someone who has haney as their avatar? youre a joke

nakatani has been the toughest fight for lopez arguably more than lomachenko thats why

:thinking: I ain't seen these hordes of people claiming Nakatani is some kind of elite, in fact I ain't seen any of 'em. Only dude I saw expressing that they thought Nakatani might win was BiG and he ain't a Lomachenko fan. Perhaps it'd help if you mentioned some names and addressed their comments individually rather than shotgunning the whole forum, most of whom think Lomachenko will win but appreciate that he may be sliding and that Nakatani's a tough dude with no quit. Never quite understand why people make threads like this. Usually it turns out the sweeping declaration of bias or fanboyism is one or two people expressing themselves in a way that the TS finds a bit too hyperbolic. if you think someone's talking outta their arsehole, man, just address 'em personally and tell 'em why you think so. Starting a whole thread for it just comes across like you're the one with the issue. Can’t say I’ve seen one person overrating Nakatani either.

I'd get if people said Naktani is big, has an engine and like all Japanese fighters seems to be made of steel and it was a decent enough tune up considering Loma hasn't fought in a while and had surgery. My issue is people acting like he is a really good fighter all of a sudden. If people said it when he gave Lopez a gut check or directly after beating Verdejo that he maybe underrated or so, I'd get it but it just seems to me like previous opponents of Loma's he is getting elevated in order to merit the hype they have placed on Loma. If say Crawford or Floyd or someone else was fighting this type of opponent, nobody would say it was anything other than a horrendous mismatch & give them no credit. To me, from where I am sat its double standards. If Crawford fights someone like this I call it for what it is & I'll do the same with Loma or anyone else I class as an elite fighter taking on this sort of opposition. Its not good enough. :thinking: I ain't seen these hordes of people claiming Nakatani is some kind of elite, in fact I ain't seen any of 'em. Only dude I saw expressing that they thought Nakatani might win was BiG and he ain't a Lomachenko fan. Perhaps it'd help if you mentioned some names and addressed their comments individually rather than shotgunning the whole forum, most of whom think Lomachenko will win but appreciate that he may be sliding and that Nakatani's a tough dude with no quit. Never quite understand why people make threads like this. Usually it turns out the sweeping declaration of bias or fanboyism is one or two people expressing themselves in a way that the TS finds a bit too hyperbolic. if you think someone's talking outta their arsehole, man, just address 'em personally and tell 'em why you think so. Starting a whole thread for it just comes across like you're the one with the issue.

You’re calling a guy rated top 10 by Ring, TBRB and Boxrec a “club fighter”. How the hell is that putting it in a real perspective? Boss level club fighter work better?

He's better than the guy Tank is fighting

Stop hating? Putting it in a real perspective isn't hate. You’re calling a guy rated top 10 by Ring, TBRB and Boxrec a “club fighter”. How the hell is that putting it in a real perspective?