I know people like to bring up Deontay Wilder and the fact he medaled at the Olympics in 3 years, but even Deontay trained for 13 years before fighting a live body (Ortiz). Adonis started boxing at age 27 and became a world champ in under 7 years of training at a competitive weight class. Does being a relatively athletic guy all it takes to be successful in the heavier weight classes these days.
yeah but he could have been battered with small shots and he wasn't--jabs, etc,--and logan actually laned on floyd which SHOULD have been impossible
He also should have KO’ed Marquez, who came up from 135, at 147. But he didn’t. He has Malignaggi type power. Mayweather is not Clark Kent where he’s normal in Krypton but superpowered on Earth with the Sun. He’s a weak puncher on both planets.
A cruiserweight with 3 years of boxing experience will not automatically get KO’ed by a 155lb, 44 year old retired boxer who was only considered as a good puncher at 130lbs. Regardless of how great that boxer was. And Floyd’s greatness comes from his boxing ability, not punching power. Floyd was not considered as a big puncher from 147+. Not even close.
Floyd was a respectable puncher at 135-140.
At 147, his KO% was 25% (12 wins, 3KO’s). For reference, Malignaggi’s power is made fun of so much. The guy had 8 wins and 2KO’s at 147, same 25% rate as Mayweather. Who supposedly was supposed to KO a Cruiserweight with his massive power.
At 154+, vs actual boxers, Mayweather’s KO% was 0%. But again, he was supposed KO a Cruiserweight with 3 years of boxing experience.
Boxing fans love exaggerating what boxers can really do. Going in, I felt it was impossible for Floyd to get the KO over someone that big who had some boxing experience already. After the fight, I find it impossible to think boxing fans are being serious about saying Mayweather really should have gotten the KO. I mean common sense should prevail I would think.
yeah but he could have been battered with small shots and he wasn't--jabs, etc,--and logan actually laned on floyd which SHOULD have been impossible
yeah his demeanor in the first round when mayweather wasnt throwing at all and he was fresh and in rounds 3-8 were completely different. he was exhausted and held on to survive. First round he was trying to win by KO and when exhaustion and those body shots kicked in he was happy to just survive.
Exactly, typical of most men. We’re brave and cocky as long as we’re NOT TIRED. Real boxers don’t have that problem. They will let u hit them ( blocking of course), till they notice your tired AND THEN they will humiliate U. They don’t get tired like most men, even when their out of shape. It’s their natural gift.
I think the logan paul floyd fight exposed boxing abit more--
An all time great even 40 years old should be able to KO a youtuber, or beat him up---and he didn't come close, it was somewhat competitive
A cruiserweight with 3 years of boxing experience will not automatically get KO’ed by a 155lb, 44 year old retired boxer who was only considered as a good puncher at 130lbs. Regardless of how great that boxer was. And Floyd’s greatness comes from his boxing ability, not punching power. Floyd was not considered as a big puncher from 147+. Not even close.
Floyd was a respectable puncher at 135-140.
At 147, his KO% was 25% (12 wins, 3KO’s). For reference, Malignaggi’s power is made fun of so much. The guy had 8 wins and 2KO’s at 147, same 25% rate as Mayweather. Who supposedly was supposed to KO a Cruiserweight with his massive power.
At 154+, vs actual boxers, Mayweather’s KO% was 0%. But again, he was supposed KO a Cruiserweight with 3 years of boxing experience.
Boxing fans love exaggerating what boxers can really do. Going in, I felt it was impossible for Floyd to get the KO over someone that big who had some boxing experience already. After the fight, I find it impossible to think boxing fans are being serious about saying Mayweather really should have gotten the KO. I mean common sense should prevail I would think.
Athletically speaking, there are freaks of nature out there that never put on a pair of gloves.
NATURAL speed and athleticism definitely is a huge advantage. Many boxers ARENT really very special. Most are just very TUFF and durable.
All that said, VERY FEW MEN can handle being hit REPEATEDLY. It’s the nature of the beast. Look at Paul being hit my a SMALL man. His body couldn’t handle it. He instinctively went to wrestling to STOP Mayweather
Most ON HERE think they can handle the hits. It isn’t fun nor glamorous.
So, NO not just any athletic person can do this.
yeah his demeanor in the first round when mayweather wasnt throwing at all and he was fresh and in rounds 3-8 were completely different. he was exhausted and held on to survive. First round he was trying to win by KO and when exhaustion and those body shots kicked in he was happy to just survive.
I know people like to bring up Deontay Wilder and the fact he medaled at the Olympics in 3 years, but even Deontay trained for 13 years before fighting a live body (Ortiz). Adonis started boxing at age 27 and became a world champ in under 7 years of training at a competitive weight class. Does being a relatively athletic guy all it takes to be successful in the heavier weight classes these days.
Foreman medal'd at the olympics in under 2 years. And gold medal on top of that. But wilder and foreman both had top ATG natural power.
Athletically speaking, there are freaks of nature out there that never put on a pair of gloves.
NATURAL speed and athleticism definitely is a huge advantage. Many boxers ARENT really very special. Most are just very TUFF and durable.
All that said, VERY FEW MEN can handle being hit REPEATEDLY. It’s the nature of the beast. Look at Paul being hit my a SMALL man. His body couldn’t handle it. He instinctively went to wrestling to STOP Mayweather
Most ON HERE think they can handle the hits. It isn’t fun nor glamorous.
So, NO not just any athletic person can do this.
Fair enough
I know people like to bring up Deontay Wilder and the fact he medaled at the Olympics in 3 years, but even Deontay trained for 13 years before fighting a live body (Ortiz). Adonis started boxing at age 27 and became a world champ in under 7 years of training at a competitive weight class. Does being a relatively athletic guy all it takes to be successful in the heavier weight classes these days.
Athletically speaking, there are freaks of nature out there that never put on a pair of gloves.
NATURAL speed and athleticism definitely is a huge advantage. Many boxers ARENT really very special. Most are just very TUFF and durable.
All that said, VERY FEW MEN can handle being hit REPEATEDLY. It’s the nature of the beast. Look at Paul being hit my a SMALL man. His body couldn’t handle it. He instinctively went to wrestling to STOP Mayweather
Most ON HERE think they can handle the hits. It isn’t fun nor glamorous.
So, NO not just any athletic person can do this.
I think the logan paul floyd fight exposed boxing abit more--
An all time great even 40 years old should be able to KO a youtuber, or beat him up---and he didn't come close, it was somewhat competitive
What do you think a 40 year old atg at cruiserweight would do to Logan Paul?
He fought Badou Jack just the fight before.
Also starched Bellew & decapitated Dawson in his move upto LHW.
None were top guys though. Badou Jack fight was very close right cant remember.
He never fought the Elite of the division- kova beterbiev and ward.
Stevenson swerved all the top guys until Gvozdyk though. Maybe athleticism can get you so far but no way a guy that starts so late could make it to the Elite level. Sergio did but he started at 20 years old
He fought Badou Jack just the fight before.
Also starched Bellew & decapitated Dawson in his move upto LHW.
I've always doubted he started at 27, that is a lot of amateur fights to have in such a short period.
Maybe he did, maybe his memory is off, maybe a little white lie to try and inspire older people to say its not too late to give up on your dreams type of thing.
But no I don't think he exposed anything he is a natural fighter,well balanced who had some pretty impressive natural reflexes, speed, explosiveness, disgusting power & real spite. Every trainer dreams of a guy like that walking into the gym especially one like Manny Steward.
I know people like to bring up Deontay Wilder and the fact he medaled at the Olympics in 3 years, but even Deontay trained for 13 years before fighting a live body (Ortiz). Adonis started boxing at age 27 and became a world champ in under 7 years of training at a competitive weight class. Does being a relatively athletic guy all it takes to be successful in the heavier weight classes these days.
Stevenson swerved all the top guys until Gvozdyk though. Maybe athleticism can get you so far but no way a guy that starts so late could make it to the Elite level. Sergio did but he started at 20 years old
Some people just have a natural affinity which allows them to do stuff like that, its not the norm.
Also combat sports in general just have tiny talent pools compared to major ball sports.
- -How many folks got evicted after Son of Senior told them to bet all their $$$ on his knocking down Logan before knocking him out?
Oh the shame of the shameless...
The very elite are very elite. But the rest can pick it up late and be just fine.
Compare that to, say, soccer. You don't pick that sport up at 18 and make it to the top rung.
I know it's easy to say now when he's a shot fighter, but at the time, when Kovalev seemed unbeatable and smoking dudes left and right, I was 100% sure that he'd get KOed by Stevenson.
Stevenson’s left hand was so dynamic he’s the exception to the rule.
This. Stevenson carried dynamite in that left hand.
It's a shame that we never got the Krusher fight.